Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[gslv markIII]

Read up about this, this is the same ship class who's tender was given to a (((Turkish))) shipyard, thanks be to Jesus it is been thrown out and Hindustan Shipyard is supposed to build these ships.
Roaches must not be allowed to earn even a single paisa from Bharat.

Design was to be a Turkish one. Not any more.

BTW, basic design by SEDS, Kochi?? @binayak95

Their logo is there on the right bottom. Same folks designed CSL's ASW SWC.

 

[pankaj nema]

 

[Adm Kenobi]

What is this NGMV even used for. Is it like General Purpose Mini-Frigate/Corvette to free up higher-tonnage ships who are suited for more challenging roles or is it a parade piece in peacetime whose 8x Brahmos run out of themselves in wartime.

The latter, low range (>2800nm) and not adequately armed to deal with the submarine threat.
NGC on the other hand will be able to carry out long-range deployment (>4000nm), local area defence, the same AShM loadout, and a better ASW suite with TAS.

6 NGMV for 9,800cr and 8 NGC for 36,000cr says it all.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[Blood+]

The latter, low range (>2800nm) and not adequately armed to deal with the submarine threat.
NGC on the other hand will be able to carry out long-range deployment (>4000nm), local area defence, the same AShM loadout, and a better ASW suite with TAS.

6 NGMV for 9,800cr and 8 NGC for 36,000cr says it all.

Not necessarily. They're basically an evolution and in a way, a continuation of the present missile boat formations. But as @binayak95 once said, in a war, the PN surface fleet isn't likely to survive long enough to even leave their berthing.

 

[binayak95]

The latter, low range (>2800nm) and not adequately armed to deal with the submarine threat.
NGC on the other hand will be able to carry out long-range deployment (>4000nm), local area defence, the same AShM loadout, and a better ASW suite with TAS.

6 NGMV for 9,800cr and 8 NGC for 36,000cr says it all.

These are more of A&N Fortress defence. Deploy en masse to bring far more missiles to bear than your average Chinese task force can deal with and then scatter.

 

[spacemarine2023]

Obama the shadow POTUS is against India for a long time… expect more mischief against Modi before elections …

US equipment if stopped expect complete broke-down of so called QUAD …

 

[Blademaster]

If this happens, then QUAD is dead and we need to close down the US consulate in Hyderabad and restrict all NGOs from receiving funds from non NRI sources. As with NRI sources, NRI (and I do not mind) should sign statements that funds are to be used for investment or building necessary facilities in India such as hospitals and schools etc. No more funding to political groups or anarchist or commie groups.

And we need to stop cooperating with all extradition requests from US and even halt cooperation with US on naval matters. Halt any US ship from stopping and refueling in Indian bases.

They cannot eat the cake and have the cake at the same time.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

What is this NGMV even used for. Is it like General Purpose Mini-Frigate/Corvette to free up higher-tonnage ships who are suited for more challenging roles or is it a parade piece in peacetime whose 8x Brahmos run out of themselves in wartime.

NGMV is mainy aimed towards Pakistan that as they will be well suited to take care of strike duties so that destroyers from the Western Naval Command can be freed up to tackle the looming Chinese threat.

 

[Blood+]

NGMV is mainy aimed towards Pakistan that as they will be well suited to take care of strike duties so that destroyers from the Western Naval Command can be freed up to tackle the looming Chinese threat.

6 is too few a number for such vessels if you ask me. It should have been double that number at the bare minimum.

 

[mamamia12]

NGMV is mainy aimed towards Pakistan that as they will be well suited to take care of strike duties so that destroyers from the Western Naval Command can be freed up to tackle the looming Chinese threat.

Why do you even need some 2500ish ton ships for that role. They should have gone something like Korean Navy Youn-Youngha class Patrol ship which costs some 50M$ without Missiles. The koreans built this with exact same threat scenario as ours, i.e a rogue nuclear power state with Missile Boats.
Comparision: Youn-Youngha class vs NGMV(From Wiki)
1. Tonnage: 600 vs 2200
2. Cost : 56M$(Inflation Adjusted) vs 220M$
3. Speed : 44-Knots vs 35-Knots
4. Armament : Provision for 2* Quad SSM/LACM Launcher(Presently 4xAShCM) vs 8xBrahmos
If they want dedicated Missile Boat then 2200 tons is too wasteful. Leave aside 600 tons, just that touted ASWSWC tonnage nearing 900 tons vessel is perfect for that role. You got speed in form of WARP for near 1000 tons which is ideal. If the goal is to have a fleet of distributed arsenal with cooperative engagement capability then you need more than 6. If they had halved budget to 100M$ for each ship then they would have 12 such ships which is think makes more sense.
Or my analysis is wrong that Navy would also use these ships for General purpose role like recent Houthi conflicts where fielding our top tier destroyers too overkill and leave gaps for vulnerability in vital areas.

 

[Blood+]

Why do you even need some 2500ish ton ships for that role. They should have gone something like Korean Navy Youn-Youngha class Patrol ship which costs some 50M$ without Missiles. The koreans built this with exact same threat scenario as ours, i.e a rogue nuclear power state with Missile Boats.
Comparision: Youn-Youngha class vs NGMV(From Wiki)
1. Tonnage: 600 vs 2200
2. Cost : 56M$(Inflation Adjusted) vs 220M$
3. Speed : 44-Knots vs 35-Knots
4. Armament : Provision for 2* Quad SSM/LACM Launcher(Presently 4xAShCM) vs 8xBrahmos

Do not just blindly go by wikipedia, as the specs likely haven't yet been finalized. It is highly likely that some form of area air defense system will be installed in these vessels and they might be used as light corvettes. I think they will go with a Sa'ar 6 type configuration (or at least they should) considering the proposed size and tonnage of these vessels.

 

[NutCracker]

Why do you even need some 2500ish ton ships for that role. They should have gone something like Korean Navy Youn-Youngha class Patrol ship which costs some 50M$ without Missiles. The koreans built this with exact same threat scenario as ours, i.e a rogue nuclear power state with Missile Boats.
Comparision: Youn-Youngha class vs NGMV(From Wiki)
1. Tonnage: 600 vs 2200
2. Cost : 56M$(Inflation Adjusted) vs 220M$
3. Speed : 44-Knots vs 35-Knots
4. Armament : Provision for 2* Quad SSM/LACM Launcher(Presently 4xAShCM) vs 8xBrahmos
If they want dedicated Missile Boat then 2200 tons is too wasteful. Leave aside 600 tons, just that touted ASWSWC tonnage nearing 900 tons vessel is perfect for that role. You got speed in form of WARP for near 1000 tons which is ideal. If the goal is to have a fleet of distributed arsenal with cooperative engagement capability then you need more than 6. If they had halved budget to 100M$ for each ship then they would have 12 such ships which is think makes more sense.
Or my analysis is wrong that Navy would also use these ships for General purpose role like recent Houthi conflicts where fielding our top tier destroyers too overkill and leave gaps for vulnerability in vital areas.

What is the range of those SSM/AShM on South Korean missile boats?? There is a reason why Brahmos is selected.

Why dont you broaden your view stuck on "nuclear state", and spend some time comparing the adversaries India would face i.e. fleet of J17/J10- equipped with 300+km range antiShip-CM vs ancient garbage NK has against SK.

 

[Marliii]

What is this NGMV even used for. Is it like General Purpose Mini-Frigate/Corvette to free up higher-tonnage ships who are suited for more challenging roles or is it a parade piece in peacetime whose 8x Brahmos run out of themselves in wartime.

A parade piece having 8 brahmos missiles on a tonnage of 2200 tonnes when the much touted tughril calss frigate of pakistan has 4 cm302 missiles.NGMV will also have some short range airdefence add in that also.

 

[Blood+]

A parade piece having 8 brahmos missiles on a tonnage of 2200 tonnes when the much touted tughril calss frigate of pakistan has 4 cm302 missiles.NGMV will also have some short range airdefence add in that also.

Considering the proposed size of these vessels, it'd be a huge waste if they do not come with some decent number of medium range SAMs. If not Barak 8s, then they should at least put the VL-SRSAMs for area defense and a couple of missile based CIWS systems for a comprehensive air defense setup.

 

[Marliii]

Considering the proposed size of these vessels, it'd be a huge waste if they do not come with some decent number of medium range SAMs. If not Barak 8s, then they should at least put the VL-SRSAMs for area defense and a couple of missile based CIWS systems for a comprehensive air defense setup.

@Gessler believes that NGMV will be a modified Doha class design. VLSRSAM would most likely be fitted on them.

 

[Blood+]

@Gessler believes that NGMV will be a modified Doha class design. VLSRSAM would most likely be fitted on them.

I hope he's right. Although, personally, I would want it to be based on the Israeli Sa'ar 6 class corvettes, which happen to be more heavily armed than our DDGs by the way.

 

[karn]

What is this chimping going on about the NGMV ? They are ships used to give a larger throw weight to any cruise missile attack on a Chinese CBG attacking the andamans as mentioned by @binayak95 .. They are fit to purpose .

 

[Hari Sud]

India has flexed its naval muscle even though the foul mouthing writers on defence in India as well abroad do not like Indian naval prowess.

Well done India…… Let U.S. stay busy in Gulf of Aden. India should and of course keeping rest of the Indian Ocean free from pirates and hijackers.

Those foul mouthers, you should wake up. India has flexed its muscle where shortage of sailors and ships in British Navy and unavailability of ships by U.S. is a major cause for distress in Indian Ocean. India is filling the gap.

 

[Anupu]

India has flexed its naval muscle even though the foul mouthing writers on defence in India as well abroad do not like Indian naval prowess.

Well done India…… Let U.S. stay busy in Gulf of Aden. India should and of course keeping rest of the Indian Ocean free from pirates and hijackers.

Those foul mouthers, you should wake up. India has flexed its muscle where shortage of sailors and ships in British Navy and unavailability of ships by U.S. is a major cause for distress in Indian Ocean. India is filling the gap.

The current Red Sea crisis has shown that asymmetric warfare options in the naval domain are emerging. In the short term, we need to upgrade our OPVs with some air defence and anti-drone capabilities.

At the same time, the Indian navy should investigate such options I can already see loitering munitions launched from unmanned surface vessels in combination with Hale UAVS. The good thing is Indian Navy is probably the most forward-looking and smart branch of the three armed services. Also being smaller (in manpower) makes them more Agile.