Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Blademaster]

French FDI are lighter Frigates, not where comparable to Nilgiri. They have lower range/endurance, 1 Helicopter deck, Light Torpedos.....and while the Greek variants have similar Air defence like Nilgiri, they fall aawfully behind due to our BrahMos advantage.
PS- Im pretty sure Nilgiri and all future warships will be equipped with the 700 kms+ BrahMos-ER.

Nilgiri will be the best frigate in the world .

Can it stand up to the Chinese destroyer Type 55 or a bigger ship ie destroyer is needed?

 

[Lonewolf]

Can it stand up to the Chinese destroyer Type 55 or a bigger ship ie destroyer is needed?

Obviously bigger is needed

 

[Lonewolf]

Any recent image ?

Almost ready check on Google Earth

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Can it stand up to the Chinese destroyer Type 55 or a bigger ship ie destroyer is needed?

You don't need a 13,000ton ship to standup to a 13,000ton ship, a single or couple of anti-ship missiles can do the job equally well

 

[Blademaster]

You don't need a 13,000ton ship to standup to a 13,000ton ship, a single or couple of anti-ship missiles can do the job equally well

True but what about endurance and repeat salvos & reload capability? You do not want to be a one trick pony when facing a bigger foe.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

I'd add the new Japanese frigates as top tier ships as well. The Mogamis are defining state of the art right now.

Mogami excel in their stealth characteristics but lack in air defence capabilities, they only have 16 Mk41 VLS cells which carry Type 03 Naval SAM

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

True but what about endurance and repeat salvos & reload capability? You do not want to be a one trick pony when facing a bigger foe.

The ability to fire salvos from the Type 055 will be significantly higher than the Nilgiri class since it has 112 VLS cells compared to 40 VLS cells on the Nilgiri class.
But the equation is not so simple as the Indian Navy will be fighting any future hypothetical war with the PLAN in the IOR where they will be supported by air elements from the IAF and shore based anti-ship and anti-sub batteries which will more than makeup for the numbers disadvantage.

 

[Lonewolf]

The ability to fire salvos from the Type 055 will be significantly higher than the Nilgiri class since it has 112 VLS cells compared to 40 VLS cells on the Nilgiri class.
But the equation is not so simple as the Indian Navy will be fighting any future hypothetical war with the PLAN in the IOR where they will be supported by air elements from the IAF and shore based anti-ship and anti-sub batteries which will more than makeup for the numbers disadvantage.

We need more SAM

 

[Blademaster]

The ability to fire salvos from the Type 055 will be significantly higher than the Nilgiri class since it has 112 VLS cells compared to 40 VLS cells on the Nilgiri class.
But the equation is not so simple as the Indian Navy will be fighting any future hypothetical war with the PLAN in the IOR where they will be supported by air elements from the IAF and shore based anti-ship and anti-sub batteries which will more than makeup for the numbers disadvantage.

40 VLS cells is not gonna do it. You need at least 64 and 8 more AshM units to be able to knock a destroyer class out.

 

[vampyrbladez]

@Lonewolf

So which one is the INS Nilgiri.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

40 VLS cells is not gonna do it. You need at least 64 and 8 more AshM units to be able to knock a destroyer class out.

When addressing how Nilgiri or any IN ship will do against type 55, once can't treat it as some MMA match where it's 1v1 in the ring. The IN as a whole will need to be looked at comprehensively, against what the PLAN can bring to the IOR, keeping the geography and chokepoints of the Indian Ocean in mind.

Many members have already explained how these ships are network centric, where all the ships can share sensor data and target tracking data in real time with each other. For example, if 3 nilgiri class ships are there in a wide area, they essentially act as one ship with 3 sensors at different locations, with a total of 24 Brahmos and 96 Barak 8.

Second factor is the location of the fight. It will most probably be near the Malacca strait if there's a war, so it's well within air cover and surveillance cover from the A&N islands. The Air power India can bring to this chokepoint is tremendous, and neither the PLAN nor PLAAF have an answer for that. The numerical advantage of the PLAN also diminishes due to this factor, since if they try to rush their ships into the IOR through Malacca, it will be easy pickings for our aircraft and submarines.

Let us assume that some PLAN ships make it through Malacca and come deeper into the IOR. All the relevant trade routes in IOR are close to our coast and are again within striking range of our aircraft. So the PLAN is stuck at the outer edges of the IOR outside our aircrafts reach, from where they can accomplish nothing against India, and will be running low on fuel and food anyway.

India needs to step up it's air and missile presence in A&N, and build large numbers of frigates and destroyers that are networked together and spread out, instead of fewer cruiser sized destroyers like type 55. SSNs would also be a huge benefit of course.

 

[Lonewolf]

@Lonewolf

So which one is the INS Nilgiri.

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[vampyrbladez]

Last one

Don't see it getting commissioned this year. Maybe sea trials by December, 2022.

 

[Lonewolf]

Don't see it getting commissioned this year. Maybe sea trials by December, 2022.

Image dates are old , have seen this image months ago

 

[vampyrbladez]

Image dates are old , have seen this image months ago

I got it from Google Earth today. Any fresh images ?

 

[flanker99]

Last one

Last one's p15b one of the exhaust outlets is hidden by the crain
The one in the first pic is nilgiri

 

[Lonewolf]

I got it from Google Earth today. Any fresh images ?

Nope ,same source

 

[Blademaster]

@Lonewolf

So which one is the INS Nilgiri.

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What the fuck happened to the ship? Did it sink?

 

[Lonewolf]

What the fuck happened to the ship? Did it sink?

Why ?

 

[Blademaster]

Why ?

The ship is tilting to the waterline.