Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[THESIS THORON]

Ya'll Nibbiars ingore that troller.

bille, that was made by me, it took me 10 mins to make it

and he is writing courtesy- Maharaj Skandgupta- DFI

 

[Haldilal]

bille, that was made by me, it took me 10 mins to make it

and he is writing courtesy- Maharaj Skandgupta- DFI

Ya'll Nibbiars Apko bhaut baar metioned kiya hai isko ek baar hone de.

 

[Akula]

bille, that was made by me, it took me 10 mins to make it

and he is writing courtesy- Maharaj Skandgupta- DFI

Billa vs Bhotu.

 

[India Super Power]

No you can't upgrade kalvari like that , or you may end with hydrodynamical issues .

Added weight , change in cog , and length will be too much ,aip addition is max we can do in small time frame .

Better to go for a bit bigger design , use Li ion batteries and some new aip than current one for p76 , use IEP and if feasible then pumpjet too

No bro I am not talking about p75 but on a design on existing kalvari
I am talking about p75i where new submarines need to be built
In this case design changes can be made accordingly and as far as I know smx 3.0 is just a concept

 

[Lonewolf]

No bro I am not talking about p75 but on a design on existing kalvari
I am talking about p75i where new submarines need to be built
In this case design changes can be made accordingly and as far as I know smx 3.0 is just a concept

Barracuda based design = smx 3.0 , similar to kalvari , barracuda based submarines (shortfin) offered to Australia were quite similar to kalvari , but with barracuda class tech .

So what u are saying is a good option but will take more time then given timeline , for now it's better to go for p75i ,and a much better p76

 

[THESIS THORON]

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Barracuda based design = smx 3.0 , similar to kalvari , barracuda based submarines (shortfin) offered to Australia were quite similar to kalvari , but with barracuda class tech .

So what u are saying is a good option but will take more time then given timeline , for now it's better to go for p75i ,and a much better p76

when we will make our own ssks ??

in year 21000 ??

 

[Lonewolf]

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when we will make our own ssks ??

in year 21000 ??

Don't be so disappointed , right now neither we have funds nor tech , kalvari tech transfer for designing a new sub is not enough , but i e thing we can be sure is that we will have first indigenous submarines in early 2030's

 

[THESIS THORON]

Don't be so disappointed , right now neither we have funds nor tech , kalvari tech transfer for designing a new sub is not enough , but i e thing we can be sure is that we will have first indigenous submarines in early 2030's

by that time we will have our own ssn

it is kind of weird that we would have made our ssn earlier than making ssk

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Can't we make a super scorpene by just adding a compartment of vls and drdo aip system as a p-75i

Yes we can very much do any kind of modifications on the base Scorpene design (for which we have paid TOT to DCNS), as a base for future fully indegeneous Indian submarine (with DRDO AIP).

The South Koreans used Type 214 TOT which they got from German HDW, as a base for their submarine programme to develop KSIII submarine, which they are now selling to different nations like Indonesia.

What is needed is an intent from MOD and Navy. Despite having TOT for Type-214 and Scorpene class, and vast experience with Russian Kilo class, for some unknown reason we still want handholding from foreign OEMs.

 

[BON PLAN]

Can't we make a super scorpene by just adding a compartment of vls and drdo aip system as a p-75i

The hull diameter of Scorpene seems too small, no?

 

[Lonewolf]

The hull diameter of Scorpene seems too small, no?

Yup , it would be a abomination with such a wierd dimensions

 

[THESIS THORON]

what is estimated time by which s4 submarine will be in trials

and what happend to k5 slbm test ??

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

 

[mist_consecutive]

An example of why having as many VLS-cells as possible on a ship is best, instead of overconfidence in a weapon system doctrine of having a handful of VLS of Indian Navy.

The above simulation is of course, in no way represents the real capabilities of any of the platforms, but shows how numerical superiority is equally important than that of technological superiority.

Who doesn't want to watch the whole video, description -

Spoiler: Description

Indian anti-ship group comprising of 16 X Su-30MKI armed with BrahMos, and other supporting elements including Rafale, Mig-29, and Mirage-2000.
The Chinese carrier strike group comprises Liaoning with J-16s, and Type-52C destroyers armed with HQ-16 SAMs.
All 16x BrahMos missiles are launched at the Chinese carrier group, however, they were easily overwhelmed by absolute rain of HQ-16s that wiped out 15 out of 16 BrahMos. Only one BrahMos successfully hit a ship.

 

[India Super Power]

An example of why having as many VLS-cells as possible on a ship is best, instead of overconfidence in a weapon system doctrine of having a handful of VLS of Indian Navy.

The above simulation is of course, in no way represents the real capabilities of any of the platforms, but shows how numerical superiority is equally important than that of technological superiority.

Who doesn't want to watch the whole video, description -

Spoiler: Description

Indian anti-ship group comprising of 16 X Su-30MKI armed with BrahMos, and other supporting elements including Rafale, Mig-29, and Mirage-2000.
The Chinese carrier strike group comprises Liaoning with J-16s, and Type-52C destroyers armed with HQ-16 SAMs.
All 16x BrahMos missiles are launched at the Chinese carrier group, however, they were easily overwhelmed by absolute rain of HQ-16s that wiped out 15 out of 16 BrahMos. Only one BrahMos successfully hit a ship.

Truly speaking we are doomed
Navy inducting things late but underarmed
Airforce don't know what to do
Army pocho mat halat bad se kharab hai
This is not the problem, problem is attitude of establishment after knowing the problems are solutions lethargic to implement and atlast fail completely
Horrible
Anyway if I am wrong then sorry
Good night

 

[Tactical Doge]

Truly speaking we are doomed
Navy inducting things late but underarmed
Airforce don't know what to do
Army pocho mat halat bad se kharab hai
This is not the problem, problem is attitude of establishment after knowing the problems are solutions lethargic to implement and atlast fail completely
Horrible
Anyway if I am wrong then sorry
Good night

Don't take me wrong
Do you do anything besides posting unrealistically pessimistic comments in different threads?

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Don't take me wrong
Do you do anything besides posting unrealistically pessimistic comments in different threads?

Thats the only thing he is good at

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

An example of why having as many VLS-cells as possible on a ship is best, instead of overconfidence in a weapon system doctrine of having a handful of VLS of Indian Navy.

The above simulation is of course, in no way represents the real capabilities of any of the platforms, but shows how numerical superiority is equally important than that of technological superiority.

Who doesn't want to watch the whole video, description -

Spoiler: Description

Indian anti-ship group comprising of 16 X Su-30MKI armed with BrahMos, and other supporting elements including Rafale, Mig-29, and Mirage-2000.
The Chinese carrier strike group comprises Liaoning with J-16s, and Type-52C destroyers armed with HQ-16 SAMs.
All 16x BrahMos missiles are launched at the Chinese carrier group, however, they were easily overwhelmed by absolute rain of HQ-16s that wiped out 15 out of 16 BrahMos. Only one BrahMos successfully hit a ship.

Care to explain what VL-SRSAM is for?

 

[JBH22]

Don't take me wrong
Do you do anything besides posting unrealistically pessimistic comments in different threads?

Any idea why Indian Navy never considered the Su 30Mki for naval aviation. More so with the entry of Brahmos.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

lelo bc

aip

Well Russia improved their chances by offering Project 636.3 subs since the Amur 1650 had no chance to begin with.
Amur 1650 is an export version of Lada class which itself faced several problems and design revisions before finally being accepted by the Russian Navy.
No one knows how many problems and design deficiencies the Amur 1650 might encounter.

The Project 636.3 is a proven design, its extremely quiet, cheap to build( $300 million apiece) and packs long range Kalibr cruise missiles.
Before the AIP can be integrated onto the Scorpenes, the Navy wants DRDO to prove the system effectiveness, this can only happen on a sub loaned by the Navy, which most likely will one of the 8 Project 877 Kilo class SSK of the Indian Navy.
If the test is successful and Russia agrees on integrating DRDO built AIP with their P 636.3 subs, we might have a winner on our hands.
Instead of 6 P75I subs, almost 12 such Project 636.3 subs can be built for the same price.