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Then how exactly IN replace Barak-1 for point defense role.
Navy is not stupid to realise the potential of the system as 2nd tier of AD
barak 8 missile acts like qrsam, srsam, mrsam, so no need for barak1, but barak 8er can acts only like lrsam, mrsam and bmd. viki dont have b8 becz its too expensive[mf star]
 

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missile- ok, question is mf star, drdo still need to develop one and they're too slow. INS ANVESH is a research boat. IN need next gen, like one in ddg x or gan type.
what does that even means , its s band radar and we have gan for s band developed , anuradha radar is gan most probably
 

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To make things clear for all members.

There is no silver bullet when dealing with AShMs. In an ideal scenario you need 2 SAM missiles for a decent chance at taking out 1 AShM.

Thus 2 Barak 8 should be able to take out 1 BrahMos. Thus for 16 BrahMos on a ship you need 32 Barak 8.

Even then there is no guarantee of success. Recently 4 x SM6 were launched against 2 SRBM targets and only 1 kill could be confirmed by the USN.


Another point of consideration is the uneven size of the larger BrahMos VLS as compared to the Barak 8 VLS unit.



The only way you can add more missiles is by having a standardized VLS unit like the DRDO Ship Launcher System.



https://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2020/07/about-minfield-breeching-solutions-ship.html


The Barak 8 has a range of upto 100 KMs. Barak 8 ER will have a range of upto 150 KMs. XRSAM will have a range of upto 350 KMs.

Thus for short range defence, we may need a new platform like the VL-SRSAM which can be easily adjusted onto our capital warships limited to 32 units.
thanks for the link.
DRDO Ship Launcher System is for 1.5/2 ton missile and those missile, now only in early research.
barak8/er. brahmos, vlsam uses different type of vls.
 

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what does that even means , its s band radar and we have gan for s band developed , anuradha radar is gan most probably
MF STAR sounds great today, but how long, if drdo really want to build one for next gen ddg/ffg better develop one witn 3x capability compared to mf star, becz by that time PN deploy hypersonic 1500/2000 km missile. Means IN force to buy rf sensor from abroad
Funny thing is DRDO having all tech to build MF star equv, but still we need to buy from abroad, with or without make in india. So Im betting on DRDO naval tactical ABM system rf sensor, in future.
 

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MF STAR sounds great today, but how long, if drdo really want to build one for next gen ddg/ffg better develop one witn 3x capability compared to mf star, becz by that time PN deploy hypersonic 1500/2000 km missile. Means IN force to buy rf sensor from abroad
Funny thing is DRDO having all tech to build MF star equv, but still we need to buy from abroad, with or without make in india. So Im betting on DRDO naval tactical ABM system rf sensor, in future.
u know that range of radar is limited by curvature of earth too. max u can go is 600 km atmax
 

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The Rafale M loaded spotted in India it seems. it's possible it was taken after the take off from the 14° ramp.
One Exocet, At least 4 MICA, 2 external tanks.
No too bad....

Why are French testing Rafale M from Ski Jump in India.
Yanks are doing in US only.
Do French lack a ground based Ski Jump?
 

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Why are French testing Rafale M from Ski Jump in India.
Yanks are doing in US only.
Do French lack a ground based Ski Jump?
SBTF Goa mimics the near exact conditions as existing on Indian Aircraft Carriers, hence both jets have to be demonstrated here. That’s why Boeing is sending the SH here in March.
 

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barak 8 missile acts like qrsam, srsam, mrsam, so no need for barak1, but barak 8er can acts only like lrsam, mrsam and bmd. viki dont have b8 becz its too expensive[mf star]
I know that quite well, but Navy will definetly be looking at a 2nd tier AD missile where VL-SRSAM fits the bill perfectly.
Barak 8 is way too expensive to extend the nos beyond 32.
Coming to integration, we might need to pay the Israelies for its integration with MF-STAR.
Addition of 24-32 VL-SRSAM to P15A/P15Bs loadout would easily take the no of VLS cells from 48 to 72-80 and give IN the perfect missile to engage targets upto a range of 50km.
 

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I know that quite well, but Navy will definetly be looking at a 2nd tier AD missile where VL-SRSAM fits the bill perfectly.
Barak 8 is way too expensive to extend the nos beyond 32.
Coming to integration, we might need to pay the Israelies for its integration with MF-STAR.
Addition of 24-32 VL-SRSAM to P15A/P15Bs loadout would easily take the no of VLS cells from 48 to 72-80 and give IN the perfect missile to engage targets upto a range of 50km.
do we have any program to indigenize them ??
 

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do we have any program to indigenize them ??
Barak 8 is as indigenous as it gets as we are bounded by contractual agreements made during the initiation of its co-development.
A near peer alternative might be a navalized Akash NG, but as of now Akash NG cannot be vertically launched, a longer ranged alternative will have to come in form of Naval XRSAM.
 

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