Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[FalconSlayers]

What the everliving fuck. We may not be able to match them, but we should atleast pick up pace against the Chinese.

Another surprising thing I have noticed in the Chinese Navy is their sheer number of destroyers and frigates. They have fewer subs and AC's and more destroyers and frigates. Can anyone explain why?

Are you serious? Their submarine fleet is small? It’s among the fuckin largest in the world.

 

[Wisemarko]

British name enormous carrier strike group heading for the Indo-Pacific
Andrew Chuter

LONDON – The largest fleet of Royal Navy warships to deploy internationally since the 1982 Falklands War is heading to the Indo-Pacific region next month as the British government seeks to raise its presence in the Far East.

The maiden deployment of a UK carrier strike group led by the Royal Navy’s new 65,000 tonne HMS Queen Elizabeth has been on the cards for months but this is the first time the MoD has detailed the destinations, ships, aircraft and submarines involved.

Aside from the carrier, the surface fleet comprises Type 45 destroyers, HMS Defender and HMS Diamond; Type 23 anti-submarine frigates, HMS Kent and HMS Richmond; and the Royal Fleet Auxiliary’s logistics ships Fort Victoria and Tidespring.

An Astute-class nuclear submarine will also be part of the force.

The deployment accounts for a significant portion of a Royal Navy surface fleet which totals only 19 frigates and destroyers.
The US Navy Arleigh Burke-class destroyer USS The Sullivans and a Dutch frigate, HNLMS Evertse, complete the line-up of surface warships accompanying HMS Queen Elizabeth on the 28 week deployment.
Eight British F-35B Lightning strike aircraft will be deployed on the carrier, with the bigger part of the warship’s fast-jet strike force made up of 10 US Marine Corp F-35s.
To date Britain has only ordered 48 of the short-take-off, vertical-landing aircraft version of the F-35, with deliveries standing at 21.
Defence Procurement Minister Jeremy Quin laid out the expected F-35 and carrier capability development path in a Parliamentary answer last November.
“The current, agreed F35-B Lightning procurement profile will see the U.K. reach 48 aircraft in quarter four of 2025. … In December 2023, when full operational capability carrier strike is scheduled to be declared, the UK F35-B Lightning force will have a total of 37 F35-B aircraft which will support two frontline squadrons and the Operational Conversion Unit. The full complement of 48 aircraft will be available in 2026,” he said.
Howard Wheeldon, a consultant and commentator here, dismissed criticism of the low numbers of British aircraft deploying on the carrier.
“With only eight Royal Navy/Royal Air Force F-35 Bs on-board HMS Queen Elizabeth, rather typical of the criticism heard today is that because we don’t have sufficient numbers of F-35 aircraft of our own we had no choice in respect of US Marine Corps being required to make up the numbers,” he wrote in a commentary.
“Read that how you will, but as far as I am concerned, although never actually stated as such by successive U.K. governments, it was always intended that U.S. F-35B aircraft would, on international NATO or allied deployments, engage alongside UK F-35s from our carriers,” said Wheeldon.
Also part of the task force will be four Leonardo-built Wildcat maritime attack helicopters, seven Leonardo Merlin Mk2 anti-submarine helicopters and three Merlin Mk4 commando helicopters.
No mention was made of the new Merlin Crowsnest airborne early-warning helicopter capability, but it seems the British will be fielding all three aircraft so far handed over to the Royal Navy by contractor Lockheed Martin UK.
In March the Royal Navy reported they were starting operational training of Crowsnest ahead of deployment on HMS Queen Elizabeth in the spring.
The deployment is being touted by the MoD as a practical demonstration of Britain’s intention to tilt its military, trade and diplomatic effort more to the Indo-Pacific, as outlined in the British government’s recently published integrated review of defense, security and foreign policy.
More than 40 countries are scheduled to be visited during the deployment, with India, Japan, South Korea and Singapore at the top of the list for a step-up in a British defense effort in the region, which already includes membership of the Five Powers Defence Agreement with Malaysia, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand.
The British are planning a significant increase to their maritime presence in the Indo-Pacific region if a government response to a question in the House of Lords on April 1 is anything to go by.
“We plan to deliver this through offshore patrol vessels from 2021, a littoral response group from 2023 and a permanently assigned frigate by the end of the decade,” said Baroness Annabel Goldie, the MoD’s Minister of State.
“These forces will intentionally operate asymmetrically, without a nominated base. They will use existing U.K., allied and partner facilities around the region enabled by our existing global support agreements,” she said.
“When our carrier strike group sets sail next month, it will be flying the flag for Global Britain – projecting our influence, signaling our power, engaging with our friends and reaffirming our commitment to addressing the security challenges of today and tomorrow,” said Defense Secretary Ben Wallace in a statement.
On the Mediterranean leg of the deployment, HMS Queen Elizabeth will undertake dual operations with French aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle.
At other points during the deployment air and maritime forces from Australia, Canada, Denmark, Greece, Israel, India, Italy, Japan, New Zealand, Oman, South Korea, Turkey and the UAE will operate alongside the carrier strike group.
The British have yet to decide whether the carrier strike group will be taking the long route to Japan by avoiding the Taiwan Strait in order to prevent antagonizing Beijing.
Media speculation recently said warships will go through the South China Sea to the east of the island.
The carrier strike group, dubbed CSG21, will participate in NATO exercises such as Exercise Steadfast Defender and provide support to NATO Operation Sea Guardian and maritime security operations in the Black Sea.
A decision have yet to be taken about which, if any, task force warships could enter the Black Sea, a potential flashpoint with Russia.
Entry into the Black Sea by warships the size of the Queen Elizabeth is restricted under the terms of the Montreux Convention.

 

[Lonewolf]

Are you serious? Their submarine fleet is small? It’s the fuckin 2nd largest in the world.

To build a good navy , we should reform our shipbuilding , should get a big player in import export buisness ,who owns a big fleet of ships , which are made by indian shipyards in small period of time , this profit can be used for yard expansion and mordenization , followed by big naval order , we need to grow our naval power , we have much more potential of world dominance with our location , need to keep US as well as chinks in check

 

[Lonewolf]

A indigenous submarine design requirement is must , as we almost pay 1.5 times the price of submarine which we buy from other countries , if we develop in-house we can buy 1.5 time the fleet we have at present , kalvari design for improvement is good , we can add our aip to it and some interior modification for a follow-up order ,till then improving it for a design with 8 vls and rest 631 inch torpedo tubes can be developed which should be procured in atleast 12 in number as that would cost about 8 kalvari class , that's a fair deal

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Surface fleets are finding it harder and harder to go near opponent shores especially ones that have full spectrum missiles in their arsenal thousands of miles away from their shore. They are almost sitting ducks, decades of navy building may be scuttled in few battles. Submarines are more survivable but limited potential to project power. Chinese do not seem to have applied any new strategies and are just following US whether its economy or defence related so far...

The Chinese never really wanted to use their Naval fleet anywhere near the mainland US and they know that they are as of yet not capable of doing so!! Their doctrine is pretty much defensive, but when push comes to shove they can and will attack US bases in Guam, Hawaii, Japan (Okinawa) and South Korea. Plus most of their submarines are notoriously very noisy due to their subpar propulsion system and engine, but that was 5 years ago, which they must have worked on it!!

 

[sunshine]

What the everliving fuck. We may not be able to match them, but we should atleast pick up pace against the Chinese.

Another surprising thing I have noticed in the Chinese Navy is their sheer number of destroyers and frigates. They have fewer subs and AC's and more destroyers and frigates. Can anyone explain why?

The number of Chinese submarines is Not a few, 19 nuclear submarines, 57 conventional power submarines, a total of 76.
However, the general submarine launching is not open.

 

[Heat]

I hope the latest PLAN fleet doesn't meet the same fate as that of the mighty Beiyang fleet.

 

[JBH22]

To build a good navy , we should reform our shipbuilding , should get a big player in import export buisness ,who owns a big fleet of ships , which are made by indian shipyards in small period of time , this profit can be used for yard expansion and mordenization , followed by big naval order , we need to grow our naval power , we have much more potential of world dominance with our location , need to keep US as well as chinks in check

Privatise and modernise the shipyards. Get South Korean expertise, these guys are damn good at ship building. I worked on a tanker project, the South Korean company was running into losses, but it delivered the ship without cost and time overrun.
Of note it was customized tanker with capability to carry crude and refined oil.

 

[Lonewolf]

Privatise and modernise the shipyards. Get South Korean expertise, these guys are damn good at ship building. I worked on a tanker project, the South Korean company was running into losses, but it delivered the ship without cost and time overrun.
Of note it was customized tanker with capability to carry crude and refined oil.

We have experience , need implementation , not all shipyard can be privatize as seen with reliance naval ,what if it happens with some other privatized shipyard , better sell some stakes to private partner , managing body should be from private sector like some ex ceo from other shipyard .

Next we should FasTrack our project , no delay but before time like lnt , l t shipyard should be given some order and promoted to go global

 

[JBH22]

We have experience , need implementation , not all shipyard can be privatize as seen with reliance naval ,what if it happens with some other privatized shipyard , better sell some stakes to private partner , managing body should be from private sector like some ex ceo from other shipyard .

Next we should FasTrack our project , no delay but before time like lnt , l t shipyard should be given some order and promoted to go global

I feel bored hearing we have the knowledge etc. It's either we are incompetent to channelise our force or too arrogant to accept that we can learn from others.

As far I can see we have nothing much to offer if I put shipyards on equal footing with a foreign one.

 

[Lonewolf]

I feel bored hearing we have the knowledge etc. It's either we are incompetent to channelise our force or too arrogant to accept that we can learn from others.

As far I can see we have nothing much to offer if I put shipyards on equal footing with a foreign one.

In naval design ,neh we have experience but not utilizing it , in commercial front , lack really

 

[Leonardo Alves]

I am not feeling happy or proud about it more it seems like Galle ki haddi, guess demoncrats can do anything.

 

[Leonardo Alves]

What the everliving fuck. We may not be able to match them, but we should atleast pick up pace against the Chinese.

Another surprising thing I have noticed in the Chinese Navy is their sheer number of destroyers and frigates. They have fewer subs and AC's and more destroyers and frigates. Can anyone explain why?

To hit more big ships of US navy, certainly and to make sure even their CHINA MADE ONE MISSILE fail then other will pass, I think they themselves have doubts about their weapons.

 

[JBH22]

I am not feeling happy or proud about it more it seems like Galle ki haddi, guess demoncrats can do anything.

It seems after vaccine episode everyone wake up from their slumber. Imagine the investment made in P8, C130,C 17,Chinook,Apache. Now they want to shove F 16 MMRCA down our throat. They will hold us by our balls and we will dance to their tune.

Indigenous, French,Israel and Russia should be our primary axis for defence procurement.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Do anyone have any idea of this makar class survey catamaran ships of indian navy..!!!

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

Do anyone have any idea of this makar class survey catamaran ships of indian navy..!!!

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not much. 6 were ordered only 1 was made rest were cancelled.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

India should invest and research more lethal antiship missiles , I understand aircraft carrier are needed to prove your dominance but , I am of the feeling that a 5 ships loaded with anti ship missiles , can wreck havoc on a aircraft carriers battle group.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Navy To Get Aircraft Carrier Vikrant, Missile Destroyer Visakhapatnam In 2021

While the Chinese Navy has commissioned three main battleships last Saturday at Sanya in Hainan naval facility in disputed South China Sea, ...

www.indiandefensenews.in

Some good news coming..

 

[omaebakabaka]

The Chinese never really wanted to use their Naval fleet anywhere near the mainland US and they know that they are as of yet not capable of doing so!! Their doctrine is pretty much defensive, but when push comes to shove they can and will attack US bases in Guam, Hawaii, Japan (Okinawa) and South Korea. Plus most of their submarines are notoriously very noisy due to their subpar propulsion system and engine, but that was 5 years ago, which they must have worked on it!!

True, but if they were to take a stand in for example Indian ocean near India then bramhos like missiles can deny them access or depth and even one or two big ships scuttled creates a big impression when it comes to Navy. US did not invest in supersonic missiles so far because they are an offensive power and was ahead on tech so far and the most of the world behind but now they may have to focus on denying access to.

 

[omaebakabaka]

It seems after vaccine episode everyone wake up from their slumber. Imagine the investment made in P8, C130,C 17,Chinook,Apache. Now they want to shove F 16 MMRCA down our throat. They will hold us by our balls and we will dance to their tune.

Indigenous, French,Israel and Russia should be our primary axis for defence procurement.

I think its fine, we got good equipment from them and they are not front line although we should keep it to niche areas and not increase the foot print to cripple our forces like Russian spares with US whims. Domestic is the only way in the coming decades. They should mandate a percentage of force targets to reach that level by law.