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No go-ahead from Ministry, so Navy opts out of US exercise

Leaving the US flummoxed, the Indian Navy pulled out of an amphibious exercise with American forces in Japan last week after it failed to get clearance from the Defence Ministry.


The amphibious assault exercise was scheduled to start in Okinawa last Friday and the Navy chose 12 senior officers for the war games. Officers were pulled out from various commands and called to Delhi for final documentation. But the Navy’s participation was called off days before their departure because permission did not come through from the Defence Ministry.


“The officers had been taken off duties, called to Delhi. Even the preparatory embarkment had been done but the permission did not come till the last moment,” a source said, adding that officers spent close to 10 days in Delhi, waiting for clearance.


While no explanation was given by the Defence Ministry for holding back the clearance, this is not the first time that Indo-US defence interactions have been called off by the Ministry this year.



At least four exercises, including the Okinawa war game, have been called off at the last minute this year despite being scheduled well in advance. In all cases, while the armed forces had committed troops and equipment, lack of permission from the Ministry led to cancellations.


In one case, the US even expressed dismay as it suffered a loss of several million dollars due to the last-minute cancellation of an exercise between the US Marines and Indian Navy. The exercise, which was scheduled to take place in India weeks before the Lok Sabha elections, was called off after troops and specialised equipment had been committed by the US. Another exercise was called off after the elections took place, sending conflicting signals.


This comes even as military ties between the India and the US have grown greatly in the last few years. In October, India will host what will be the biggest joint training exercise between the two nations that will also feature the largest deployment of US Stryker Infantry Combat Vehicles (ICVs) outside Iraq and Afghanistan.


The Yudh Abhyas exercise in Jhansi will involve close to 300 US personnel and 17 Stryker ICVs from the 25th Infantry Division of the US Army. The two nations will also engage in an air exercise — Cope India 2009 — in October that will feature its C-17 heavy transport aircraft as well as the smaller C-130 J aircraft that India has ordered for its special forces.
 

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Cochin Shipyard in drydock, dredges & upgrades push - dnaindia.com

Mumbai: State-owned Cochin Shipyard is focusing on the defence sector, vessel refurbishment business and building dredges to stay afloat in the shipping market which is battling downturn.

The shipyard is planning a new dry dock, which will lead to a 50% capacity expansion,M Jitendran, chairman and managing director, Cochin Shipyard, said.

"This facility will build defence ships, rigs and dredges. We require money for our expansion besides building the dry dock. We will bring in fresh equity to fund the capital expenditure of Rs 800-1,000 crore for the dry-dock facility," he said.

He said, "We have entered into an MoU with IHC Merwede, a Dutch based shipbuilding group, to build dredges. We will use their knowledge about dredging system. Our dredges will be available for both public and private players."

However, he did not disclose the amount of investment for the venture.

Jitendran said that the company will continue to bid for coastal and naval orders and currently it is building a naval aircraft carrier for the Indian Navy, which will be delivered by 2013.

Its current order-book excluding the aircraft carrier is worth Rs 3,000 crore and includes 18 vessels.

Earlier the shipyard only catered to merchant ships, but has now opened capacity to all types of ships in order to sail through the tough times, Jitendran said.

Cochin Shipyard was the first Indian yard to undertake conversion of vessels before the recession hit the sector. Since new orders are difficult to come by, the company will focus on refurbishment of vessels.

"We first converted a fishing vessel into a seismic survey vessel and now we are underway in converting a fishing vessel into a research vessel. And we are sure of getting more such orders," he said.

"The share of ship repairs is increasing significantly. It is a conscious choice on part of the management to focus more on ship repair and its share has gone up from 30% to 70%," he said.

The medium-term view is that in the next 10-15 years there is a huge potential in the ship-repair business and this segment was doing well even during the recessionary phase, he said.
 

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I guess Russia is geting more interested in the MiG 29 Ks. I wont be surprised if the aircrafts on board Kuznetsov are replaced with MiG 29K for its versatility and I am hell sure that with the new Zhuk AE the MiG 29K will be a formidable platform against the USN F 18s.
 

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I think exercise is called off because japan is nearby china and just my prediction is our netas is doing all things to pacify or appease chinese like dropping the plan of base in mongolia and closure of IAF base in tajikistan
 

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Never Trust A Used Carrier Salesman

September 29, 2009:

Indian officers have admitted that they were partially at fault in the billion dollar aircraft carrier Gorshkov fiasco. It seems it was not all the fault of the Russians that the refurbishment of the decommissioned Russian carrier Gorshkov cost a billion dollars more, and took several years longer. The Indians admit that, when they signed the deal in 2004, they had not had engineers go over the Gorshkov, and agreed, after a cursory inspection, that many electrical and mechanical components, buried within the ships hull, were serviceable. It turned out that many of those components were not good-to-go, and had to be replaced, at great expense. Shortly after the contract was signed, the Russians discovered that the shipyard had misplaced the blueprints for the Gorshkov, and things went downhill from there.

After four years of haggling over Russian demands for more money, India agreed to pay about a billion dollars more, instead of the original (2004) agreed on $1.5 billion, for a Russian shipyard to refurbish an old, damaged, aircraft carrier (the Admiral Gorshkov) for Indian use. Last year, Russia threatened to give the Gorshkov back to the Russian Navy if the Indians didn't, come up with more money.

All this was a sad tale of bungling, corruption, greed and lost blueprints. Work on the 44,000 ton Gorshkov was about half completed, when it was supposed to have been delivered last year, and renamed the INS Vikramaditya. But now delivery has been delayed until 2012. The Russians admitted that this project suffered from inept planning, shoddy workmanship, and poor management, and they wanted India to pay for most of those mistakes. The Indians were not amused, and played hard ball, making much of the fact that India was now the biggest customer for Russian military exports. Russia was also aware that India was increasingly turning to more expensive (and more capable) Western arms suppliers.

The original price for the refurbishment of the of the Gorshkov was $1.5 billion. Building a Gorshkov type carrier today would cost about $4 billion, and take eight years. Two years ago, the Russians admitted there were problems, and demanded another half billion dollars to make it all right. India went along with that. But last year, the Russians raised the price again, and now wanted $3.5 billion for the job, and an additional four years. The Indians refused to pay. The Russians were willing to admit to mistakes and put things right, for a price. For example, the boss of Sevmash naval shipyard, when the Gorshkov deal was negotiated, was fired and under criminal investigation, on suspicion of financial mismanagement.

Naturally, the Indians were not happy with all this, and at first insisted that the Russian government (which owns many of the entities involved) make good on the original deal. India sent its own team of technical experts to Russia, and their report apparently confirmed what the Russians reported, about shipyard officials low-balling the cost of the work needed. This is a common tactic for firms building weapons for their own country. It gets more complicated when you try to pull that sort of thing on a foreign customer. The Russian government initially offered to cover some of the overrun cost. But then they insisted that India cover most of it, or lose the ship entirely. Nothing was said about whether or not the Indians would get any of their money refunded. As Indian anger rose, the Russians began to realize that they would have to eat most of the additional mistakes, or risk losing billions in future sales.

The Admiral Gorshkov entered service in 1987, but was inactivated in 1996 because it was too expensive to operate on a post Cold War budget. This attracted the attention of India, which was looking for a way to expand their carrier aviation capabilities. India is currently building another carrier, from scratch, but that 40,000 ton vessel won't be ready until 2015. India's sole current aircraft carrier, the 29,000 ton INS Viraat, just emerged from 18 months in a shipyard getting maintenance and upgrades, which left India with no carrier capability. This was to have been avoided by the timely arrival (last year) of the refurbished Russian carrier. If that had happened, the INS Viraat would have been retired in 2012, after 53 years service (for Britain and India). But now the INS Viraat will get its engine and hull refurbished, and its electronics upgraded, and possibly serve for another decade.

Under the terms of the new deal, the INS Vikramaditya will be ready for sea trials by the end of 2012. Thus by 2015, India will have two large carriers in operation, and some bitter memories of their experience with the Russians over the Gorshkov.

Source: Naval Air: Never Trust A Used Carrier Salesman

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The Gorshkov was a Lada and we wanted it to be made into a BMW...That is where the problem lies...The best part of this is the Russians are re-learning ship building after they lost Ukraine because of Indian orders.
 

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Sevmash has certainly learned a lesson from the Gorshkov deal. Corruption has been dealt a crushing blow as well as hiring technical experts who are qualified in working on a carrier class vesssel. It was necessary for us to experience this pain in order to work on our own future carriers.
 

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yeah boss,
actually they brought a dead carrier naa, so i doubt it would be same to them too,
am i wrong???
 

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yeah boss,
actually they brought a dead carrier naa, so i doubt it would be same to them too,
am i wrong???
the chinese carrier varyag is not meant to be fully operational. it is not even completed and would require at least 2-3 yrs of construction to make it opperational. the chinese primarily aim to train and familiarise themselves on carrier operations as they never had a carrier before.. moreover the chinese carrier is the Kuznetsov class and is much bigger than gorshkov.
 

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yeah boss,
actually they brought a dead carrier naa, so i doubt it would be same to them too,
am i wrong???
They don't have plans to re-commission/reactivate it. I think they know that its not feasible and hence are trying to convert it into a floating hotel/casino to generate revenue from it.

BTW, it does not have an engine and its flight decks are not fit to support lauch/recovery of aircraft.
 

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They don't have plans to re-commission/reactivate it. I think they know that its not feasible and hence are trying to convert it into a floating hotel/casino to generate revenue from it.

BTW, it does not have an engine and its flight decks are not fit to support lauch/recovery of aircraft.
that may not be the case......... according to latest reports china has erected scaffolding around the carrier and construction is going on since 2006

THE RISING SEA DRAGON IN ASIA VARYAG TRANSFORMATION
 

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