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And..... what will the Pigs who float (somehow) do with this info?

Make their own support ships? I hope they try if only to further highlight their own inadequacies and bankrupt them if they try to purchase them directly.

I say get them, at least the know-how of making these FSSs instead of just tankers will be brought home.
I think HSL will design ship with support from turkey who will act as consultants.
If this is happening and if Indians will be on alert then it is good.
Becuase there was a case few years earlier if anybody know here of espionage in GRSE were "a mole was able to get design papers or something important like that by connecting shredded papers of the design" and here in DFI everybody went in panic mode.
I just don't believe in erdogan turkey where BUSINESS IS GOOD BUT ISLAMIC BROTHERHOOD REIGNS FIRST.
Don't you think they can get design like in GRSE way.
 

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U guys didn't get it its reverse espinoge for getting information on thert ada class frigates, by this real we get to know thier security levels then slip in ur own cyber Agent on their network or use a possible allied intelligence agency help who see turkey as threat, u know the most advanced worship soon join In Proki navy is the Turkish one the one we have to fair is Turkish ship's in porkis hand not Chinese junks, becoz us will help us to counter Chinese ships and subs by sharing the weakness info of them, but hence turkey is us and NATO alie it's hard we can have confidential datas on them I think it's better for us to slip in like hsl deal
There is not enough technology in fleet support vessels to be spied upon. Turkey is not good in any technology fields, be it material, electronics or design. I don't understand if there is anything to be spied upon at all.

I think HSL will design ship with support from turkey who will act as consultants.
If this is happening and if Indians will be on alert then it is good.
Becuase there was a case few years earlier if anybody know here of espionage in GRSE were "a mole was able to get design papers or something important like that by connecting shredded papers of the design" and here in DFI everybody went in panic mode.
I just don't believe in erdogan turkey where BUSINESS IS GOOD BUT ISLAMIC BROTHERHOOD REIGNS FIRST.
Don't you think they can get design like in GRSE way.
Support ships are supply ships and has no advanced technology. There is hardly anything that can be stolen by it. Of course, the access to the shipyard may help in the foreigners to poke around and do surveillance, but that can eb taken care of by restricting access to certain areas by means of "security clearance"
 

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There is not enough technology in fleet support vessels to be spied upon. Turkey is not good in any technology fields, be it material, electronics or design. I don't understand if there is anything to be spied upon at all.


Support ships are supply ships and has no advanced technology. There is hardly anything that can be stolen by it. Of course, the access to the shipyard may help in the foreigners to poke around and do surveillance, but that can eb taken care of by restricting access to certain areas by means of "security clearance"
But this ship has to be advanced, it is going to be more than 50000 tons when loaded and must be capable of going above 24 knots to 30 knots.
Besides if this is not advanced then what is the problem with Diamond class bulk carriers which can go 15 knots.
Can Hsl not design a ship in house which can cross 24 knots?
Definitely something is advanced in it that requires foreign collaboration.
This is what I think.
 

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The CAS ACM BS Dhanoa received the baton of Chairman Chiefs of Staff Committee from outgoing Chairman COSC & CNS, Admiral Sunil Lanba at an official ceremony held in South Block, today.
 

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#Naval helicopters to be govt’s first major defence buy, vendors submit responses in Rs 21,738 crore deal

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The Rs 21,738 crore procurement of 111 light Naval Utility Helicopters (NUH) for the navy is on track to be the first big procurement of the new National Democratic Alliance (NDA) government.

On Thursday, the last day for vendors to submit responses to an Express of Interest (EoI) floated by the defence ministry on February 12, at least three international original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) submitted proposals to build their helicopters through an Indian industry designated as “strategic partner” (SP).

The OEMs who have responded include Lockheed Martin, Airbus and Bell Helicopters.

Business Standard learns that the vendors proposals were not opened today. They are likely to be opened on June 3.

This NUH acquisition, which the defence ministry green lighted on August 25, is the first one being processed under the SP procurement model. This involveschosen Indian SP firms building major defence platforms in India with niche technologies and production knowhow supplied by a foreign OEM.

“The OEMs have been mandated to set up [a] dedicated manufacturing line, including design, integration and manufacturing processes for NUH in India and make [the] Indian manufacturing line as a global exclusive facility for the NUH platform being offered,” stated the MoD in February, while releasing the EoI.

Business Standard learns that the navy has listed out six “must-have” technologies that the OEMs must transfer as part of the contract. In addition, the vendors will be required to transfer “manufacturing technology” that will drive the assembly line.

The proposal for building 111 helicopters allows the OEM to deliver the first 16 from its home production facility, but at least 95 helicopters must be manufactured in India with an ambitious level of 60 per cent indigenisation stipulated.

The Indian SPs are likely to be chosen from amongst Tata Advanced Systems Ltd, Mahindra Defence, Adani Defence, Larsen & Toubro, Kalyani Group and Reliance.

While the SP model of procurement was intended primarily for private sector firms, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and Indo-Russian Helicopters Ltd (IRHL) – a joint venture set up by HAL, Russian Helicopters and Rosoboronexport to manufacture the Kamov 226T light helicopter in India under an Indo-Russian inter-governmental agreement (IGA) – have also applied to be SPs.

The NUH, which must be optimised for ship usage with facilities like foldable rotors is being procured to replace the navy’s vintage French-origin Chetak helicopters. Flying from warships, the NUH will carry out tasks like search and rescue, casualty evacuation, ferrying passengers from ships and low intensity maritime operations (LIMO) such as dropping torpedoes.

Naval multi-role helicopter (NMRH)

Also in the pipeline is the procurement of 24 MH-60 Romeo “naval multi-role helicopters (NMRH) from Lockheed Martin on a single vendor basis. The navy has sent Lockheed a Letter of Request and is expecting a Letter of Acceptance this week.

The DAC green-lighted the NMRH procurement on August 25, 2018. This is being acquired through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route, which means there will be no tendering. Instead, the US Department of Defense (Pentagon) will negotiate a price with Lockheed Martin, based on the price at which the US military procured the most recent tranche of MH-60 Romeo helicopters.

In FMS purchases, the buyer country typically pays less than the US military did for a platform. The Pentagon charges the buyer country a commission of about 3 per cent for negotiating and overseeing the procurement.
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But this ship has to be advanced, it is going to be more than 50000 tons when loaded and must be capable of going above 24 knots to 30 knots.
Besides if this is not advanced then what is the problem with Diamond class bulk carriers which can go 15 knots.
Can Hsl not design a ship in house which can cross 24 knots?
Definitely something is advanced in it that requires foreign collaboration.
This is what I think.
Turkey has no experience building such a ship, much less one of 50k tonnes. It should be well within India's capabilities to design and build this on her own due the advanced nature of its ship building industry. It is much greater than Turkey whose vessels are the fire kegs of the Mediterranean.

 

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Turkey has no experience building such a ship, much less one of 50k tonnes. It should be well within India's capabilities to design and build this on her own due the advanced nature of its ship building industry. It is much greater than Turkey whose vessels are the fire kegs of the Mediterranean.

I agree with you. Turkish defence industry is too small and too backwards to be compared with India. India can make nuclear submarine, stealth destroyer and aircraft carrier. While Turkey can't make any of these.

It is really crazy that India will ask Turkey's assistance in making simple fleet support ships which is only primitive Technology (needs no modern sensors or firepower). Something smells fishy about this deal
 

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I agree with you. Turkish defence industry is too small and too backwards to be compared with India. India can make nuclear submarine, stealth destroyer and aircraft carrier. While Turkey can't make any of these.

It is really crazy that India will ask Turkey's assistance in making simple fleet support ships which is only primitive Technology (needs no modern sensors or firepower). Something smells fishy about this deal
Turkey is Pak's iron brother as well as buying S-400. Probable geopolitical move to corner Pak or...strengthen corners when US is mulling sanctions.
 

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GE has updated the Rambili base imagery. Don't see any tunnel in hills for Submarines. Seems to be figment of media imagination.
Though the hill has a dozen smaller tunnels for missile storage perhaps. Wonder what those "Jalebi" type roads on the hills are for.

I think the Rambili base will be another replica of Karwar + Vajrakosh. The Navy seems to have got lot of neighboring land too and dredging the river to widen it. So main port area will be inside.

I hope they also build an airbase to replace INS Dega.
 

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Karnataka Govt is constructing an airstrip at Muroor/Kumta near Karwar
http://forestsclearance.nic.in/writereaddata/Addinfo/0_0_4112812912151ProjectdetailsfullUK.pdf

A report by TOI in 2016 also mentions Muroor/Kumta
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...mba-to-start-in-2019/articleshow/53408031.cms

All previous news mentioned Algeri to be the site of Naval Air Station with Civil Enclave. However villagers are not supportive as they already had to vacate their homes in Karwar port area and don't
want to move out again. Navy is still conducting negotiations as of 2018

https://www.sahilonline.net/en/algeri-villagers-up-in-arms-over-govts-civil-airport-survey-move

Distancce from Karwar Port
Goa - 75km
Algeri - 15 km
Muroor - 50 km

Karwar airbase.PNG
 

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Navy should also place more assets on its porbandar air station ,acc to open sources there are just dorniers and UAVs ,shore based jets especially naval tejas could be put in this role if not on ACs which looks like a distant dream for now,Pakistan realistically can only dare to attack gujarat coastline ,AShm loaded naval tejas can take paki surface fleet without putting ACs closer to paki coastline
 

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Tech bids for first big Make-in-India project opened, 3 foreign companies in Fray

http://idrw.org/tech-bids-for-first-big-make-in-india-project-opened-3-foreign-companies-in-fray/ .


The government’s first big ‘Make in India’ project for the defence sector took off on Monday with the opening of technical bids for the Rs 21,000 crore plan to manufacture naval utility helicopters in partnership with a foreign vendor.

Three foreign manufacturers have submitted bids for the programme, which involves setting up of a manufacturing line with an Indian partner for the Navy’s requirement of 111 helicopters that will operate from its frontline warships, said people privy to the details. European manufacturer Airbus seems to be at an advantage with two platforms – the H 145M and the Panther AS565 – on offer for manufacturing in partnership with Mahindra Defence. The American side has offered the Sikorsky S 76D while Russia has offered the Kamov Ka 226T for the mega project.

Officials told ET that US helicopter manufacturer Bell did not submit a bid and Korean aviation company KAI also did not respond, although both the companies had shown interest earlier. It is learnt that while the Bell chopper was a civilian variant that required extensive modifications, the KAI option has not matured as of now.

State-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) is separately pushing for the naval version of its Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH) for the contract.

The technical bids will now be vetted by the navy to see if they are compliant with its requirements. This process is expected to take two months, following which the choppers will go through exhaustive field trials to evaluate their performance.

As a parallel process, the navy is also vetting the credentials of eight Indian manufacturers who have responded to an Expression of Interest to be the local partners for the programme. Visits to facilities of these domestic players – Tata Aerospace and Defence, Mahindra Defence, Reliance Defence, Adani Defence, HAL, Bharat Forge and Lakshmi Machine Works – are expected to begin by the end of this month.

Officials said they hoped that by the last quarter of 2019, the navy will have a shortlist of both foreign and local vendors ready to take the selection process to the next step. “The final step will be a formal request for proposal where the shortlisted Indian companies will make a commercial offer in partnership with the shortlisted foreign vendor,” said an official.

The defence ministry has several financial and technical parameters to shortlist Indian companies that will be considered for the bidding process, including criteria of a net worth of at least Rs 800 crore, a revenue of Rs 1,800 crore and a proven capability of delivering mega projects in the past.
 

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All are BS, best to go with modified Dhruv. Inventory spares will not be a problem since already 250+ are in service.
 

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All are BS, best to go with modified Dhruv. Inventory spares will not be a problem since already 250+ are in service.

Ah! which is in some Lab !! And will also cost more than the weight in gold ???
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