Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[binayak95]

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SeaKings are beautiful birds!! Too bad we have very few of them operational nowadays. Especially the older MK42B variants.

 

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[Hindustani78]

Ministry of Defence
9 -January, 2018 15:42 IST

Raksha Mantri Presides over India’s Display of Naval Might

Raksha Mantri (RM) Smt Nirmala Sitharaman presided over India's show of Naval might on 08 and 09 January 2018. More than ten warships from the Indian Navy including the aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya, three submarines and various naval aircraft participated in operational manoeuvres conducted off the western coast of India.

The RM initially embarked INS Kolkata, the first of the indigenously built Kolkata Class destroyers and then spent the night at sea on-board INS Vikramaditya. To assess the performance of the carrier in real conditions, the RM 'transited' through a simulated 'multi-threat' environment on-board along with her 'escorts' during the night of 08 January.

Reviewing the maritime prowess of the Indian Navy over the two days, Smt Sitharaman presided over a multiple complex naval operations including air interceptions, missile, gun and rocket firings, ship-to-ship replenishment, night flying and antisubmarine operations. The Western Fleet of the Indian Navy undertook these major naval manoeuvres off the western seaboard of India to showcase operational excellence and combat capabilities.

The RM commented on the battle readiness of the Indian Navy. "Having witnessed first-hand the prowess of the Western Fleet, I am confident that the Indian Navy is fully capable of defending the nation against any form of threat”, she stated.

Continuing the effort to collect feedback from Armed Forces Personnel at all operational levels of the military, Smt Sitharaman interacted closely and had open discussions with the sailors on-board the warships.

Finally, the RM disembarked the ship by naval helicopter to INS Hansa, Goa, today.

 

[Tanmay]

Strangely I have not seen the Delhi class ships in recent exercises. They seem to be in deep refit. I do remember seeing a Delhi class with an angled brahmos launcher in one of the navy advertisements in newspaper. Any other info ?

 

[Vinod DX9]

SAAB still hopes to make place in IAF & IN

 

[binayak95]

Delhi class ships are operationally deployed. They are being sent on goodwill visits all over the place.

This is from the Mumbai, with Shishumar. In Oman.

Strangely I have not seen the Delhi class ships in recent exercises. They seem to be in deep refit. I do remember seeing a Delhi class with an angled brahmos launcher in one of the navy advertisements in newspaper. Any other info ?

 

[bhramos]

Setback for Indian Navy: Rs 32,000 crore project to build 12 minesweepers scrapped, says report

BusinessToday.in Last Updated: January 8, 2018 | 14:56 IST

A Rs 32,000-crore project to indigenously build 12 minesweepers at the Goa Shipyard Ltd (GSL) in collaboration with South Korean firm Kangnam Corporation has reportedly just fallen through, dealing a major blow to the government's Make in India mission.

According to sources cited by The Times of India, this decision was taken by Union Minister for Defence Nirmala Sitharaman. "Goa Shipyard has been asked to issue a new global expression of interest for the mine counter-measure vessels (MCMVs). The fresh RFP (request for proposal) or tender will follow thereafter," quoted the daily. With this, the Indian Navy's nearly decade-old quest for new minesweepers, desperately needed to beef up security along its long coastline, has been pushed back even further.

The world's fifth largest navy reportedly has only four minesweepers in active service-all acquired from the erstwhile Soviet Union between 1978 and 1988-to defend its 14 ports. The Navy needs six-times that number to plug the shortfall.

Worse yet, the defence ministry last year revealed to a parliamentary panel that all the MCMVs currently operational will be retired by 2018-2020. So the government does not have the luxury of time to float the fresh tender for minesweepers, whose role is to clear sea mines laid by enemy warships, submarines and aircrafts to blockade harbours and offshore installations or to disrupt maritime trade.

Incidentally, this is not the first time that the collaboration between GSL and Kangnam Corp has fallen through. In 2008, the UPA Government had floated a tender for minesweepers that the Busan-based firm had won. Then tom-tomed as India's first major defence hardware import from East Asia, the Rs 2,300 crore deal involved importing two MCMVs and the required technology transfer to indigenously build another six vessels. But the defence ministry had scrapped this deal in 2014 after an inquiry revealed that the South Korean shipyard may have hired middlemen to facilitate the contract.

The following year GSL bagged the larger Rs 32,000-crore order, again in collaboration with Kangnam Corp. Under the new deal, 12 vessels were to be constructed in India, with 60% indigenous content, and deliveries were to be completed between 2021 and 2026.

But perhaps the deal was doomed from the start. The already slow-to-take off project then faced a lot of issues ranging from a difference in opinion over the selection of propulsion engines for the vessels to be built to the quantum of technology expertise to be transferred. In the meantime, GSL has already invested over Rs 700 crore in building infrastructure for construction of the MCMVs.

The ministry of defence will reportedly issue a fresh global expression of interest to Kangnam, Italy's Intermarine Shipyard-which was the second closest bidder in the 2008 tender-and other foreign shipyards that specialize in building MCMVs, with non-magnetic hulls and high-definition sonars, acoustic and magnetic sweeps to detect marooned and drifting mines.

In the face of China flexing its muscles in the Indian Ocean-one of the most militarised regions of the world with at least 100 warships prowling at any given time-one hopes the Indian Navy gets its minesweepers sooner rather than later.

http://www.businesstoday.in/current...ia-12-minesweepers-scrapped/story/267526.html

 

[bhramos]

Visakhapatnam: Fire breaks out on INS Shivalik warship, no casualties reported
The blaze was extinguished after six hours.

Arko Datta/Reuters


A fire broke out on the Indian Navy’s stealth warship INS Shivalik in Visakhapatnam on Wednesday, ANI reported. There were no casualties.

The blaze erupted on the vessel while it was docked at the Eastern Naval Command’s engine store room. The fire was doused after six hours.

Unidentified Navy officials said that an inquiry has been ordered into the incident. More details are awaited.

https://scroll.in/latest/864590/vis...n-ins-shivalik-warship-no-casualties-reported

 

[Tanmay]

Visakhapatnam: Fire breaks out on INS Shivalik warship, no casualties reported
The blaze was extinguished after six hours.

Arko Datta/Reuters


A fire broke out on the Indian Navy’s stealth warship INS Shivalik in Visakhapatnam on Wednesday, ANI reported. There were no casualties.

The blaze erupted on the vessel while it was docked at the Eastern Naval Command’s engine store room. The fire was doused after six hours.

Unidentified Navy officials said that an inquiry has been ordered into the incident. More details are awaited.

https://scroll.in/latest/864590/vis...n-ins-shivalik-warship-no-casualties-reported

No detailed enquiries ever come out be it in Navy, Air Force or Army.
Be it the ammunition dumping accident in talwar class, plane crashes, or ammunition dump fires, terrorist attacks on bases.
Most accidents in US led to very public enquiries and SOPs.
There is a general lack of safety precautions, mechanisms and processes. More so in general civilian lives. But the attitude lives on We buy assets worth billions and protect them with retired and aeging DSCs. Inadequately equipped firefighters and other first responders. One look at the Mumbai and Visakhapatnam Harbors and you realise that the ports are cramped with material lying all around. Compared to amriki or other foreign docks.
Heck we don't even have CBRN or Hazmat teams in any metros.

 

[bhramos]

No detailed enquiries ever come out be it in Navy, Air Force or Army.
Be it the ammunition dumping accident in talwar class, plane crashes, or ammunition dump fires, terrorist attacks on bases.
Most accidents in US led to very public enquiries and SOPs.
There is a general lack of safety precautions, mechanisms and processes. More so in general civilian lives. But the attitude lives on We buy assets worth billions and protect them with retired and aeging DSCs. Inadequately equipped firefighters and other first responders. One look at the Mumbai and Visakhapatnam Harbors and you realise that the ports are cramped with material lying all around. Compared to amriki or other foreign docks.
Heck we don't even have CBRN or Hazmat teams in any metros.

those are Military inquiries for Military safety........... not for public........ so never to be made public......

 

[Suryavanshi]

Setback for Indian Navy: Rs 32,000 crore project to build 12 minesweepers scrapped, says report

BusinessToday.in Last Updated: January 8, 2018 | 14:56 IST

A Rs 32,000-crore project to indigenously build 12 minesweepers at the Goa Shipyard Ltd (GSL) in collaboration with South Korean firm Kangnam Corporation has reportedly just fallen through, dealing a major blow to the government's Make in India mission.

According to sources cited by The Times of India, this decision was taken by Union Minister for Defence Nirmala Sitharaman. "Goa Shipyard has been asked to issue a new global expression of interest for the mine counter-measure vessels (MCMVs). The fresh RFP (request for proposal) or tender will follow thereafter," quoted the daily. With this, the Indian Navy's nearly decade-old quest for new minesweepers, desperately needed to beef up security along its long coastline, has been pushed back even further.

The world's fifth largest navy reportedly has only four minesweepers in active service-all acquired from the erstwhile Soviet Union between 1978 and 1988-to defend its 14 ports. The Navy needs six-times that number to plug the shortfall.

Worse yet, the defence ministry last year revealed to a parliamentary panel that all the MCMVs currently operational will be retired by 2018-2020. So the government does not have the luxury of time to float the fresh tender for minesweepers, whose role is to clear sea mines laid by enemy warships, submarines and aircrafts to blockade harbours and offshore installations or to disrupt maritime trade.

Incidentally, this is not the first time that the collaboration between GSL and Kangnam Corp has fallen through. In 2008, the UPA Government had floated a tender for minesweepers that the Busan-based firm had won. Then tom-tomed as India's first major defence hardware import from East Asia, the Rs 2,300 crore deal involved importing two MCMVs and the required technology transfer to indigenously build another six vessels. But the defence ministry had scrapped this deal in 2014 after an inquiry revealed that the South Korean shipyard may have hired middlemen to facilitate the contract.

The following year GSL bagged the larger Rs 32,000-crore order, again in collaboration with Kangnam Corp. Under the new deal, 12 vessels were to be constructed in India, with 60% indigenous content, and deliveries were to be completed between 2021 and 2026.

But perhaps the deal was doomed from the start. The already slow-to-take off project then faced a lot of issues ranging from a difference in opinion over the selection of propulsion engines for the vessels to be built to the quantum of technology expertise to be transferred. In the meantime, GSL has already invested over Rs 700 crore in building infrastructure for construction of the MCMVs.

The ministry of defence will reportedly issue a fresh global expression of interest to Kangnam, Italy's Intermarine Shipyard-which was the second closest bidder in the 2008 tender-and other foreign shipyards that specialize in building MCMVs, with non-magnetic hulls and high-definition sonars, acoustic and magnetic sweeps to detect marooned and drifting mines.

In the face of China flexing its muscles in the Indian Ocean-one of the most militarised regions of the world with at least 100 warships prowling at any given time-one hopes the Indian Navy gets its minesweepers sooner rather than later.

http://www.businesstoday.in/current...ia-12-minesweepers-scrapped/story/267526.html

I just hope Goverment has kept their priorities straight
Absence of minesweeper is a big hole in our Navy.
One minesweeper needs to be permanently stationed at Andaman

 

[Hindustani78]

Visakhapatnam: Fire breaks out on INS Shivalik warship, no casualties reported
The blaze was extinguished after six hours.

Arko Datta/Reuters


A fire broke out on the Indian Navy’s stealth warship INS Shivalik in Visakhapatnam on Wednesday, ANI reported. There were no casualties.

The blaze erupted on the vessel while it was docked at the Eastern Naval Command’s engine store room. The fire was doused after six hours.

Unidentified Navy officials said that an inquiry has been ordered into the incident. More details are awaited.

https://scroll.in/latest/864590/vis...n-ins-shivalik-warship-no-casualties-reported

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/653004/fire-breaks-ins-shivalik-visakhapatnam.html
Fire breaks out on INS Shivalik in Visakhapatnam

Kalyan Ray, DH News Service, New Delhi, Jan 10 2018, 21:56 IST

INS Shivalik.

Indian Navy's stealth frigate INS Shivalik caught fire on Wednesday while undergoing a refit at the Eastern Naval Command headquarters in Visakhapatnam.

The fire that broke out in the frigate's engine store room was doused after nearly six hours.

"The fire was controlled in time. There was no damage to men or material. An inquiry into the incident has been ordered," a navy spokesperson said here.

Asked why it took six hours to put out the flames, he said the delay happened because of the smoke which made it difficult for the fire fighting team to identify the seat of fire.

The indigenous frigate was commissioned in April 2010. It was built under the Rs 8,100-crore Project-17 in which three stealth warships - INS Shivalik, INS Satpura and INS Sahaydri - were constructed at the Mazgaon dock in Mumbai.

The frontline warship participated in the Malabar 2017 naval exercise involving US and Japanese navies.

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Good news that INS Shivalik.is being upgraded and new and powerful engine seems to be fitted and even seems new missile equipment is being placed.

 

[Vinod DX9]

Grigorovich class frigates are our new interest

 

[Tanmay]

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/digital-battlespace/dsit-tata-power-supply-pointshield-pdds/

78 systems being procured. Good improvement for anti sabotage measures at important naval bases and makes things harder for SSG-N
Hope our Indian SOSUS is on track as well

 

[Tanmay]

those are Military inquiries for Military safety........... not for public........ so never to be made public......

Yea. Including the enquiries for all wars from 1947 and Shubhash Chandra Bose's death . All protected under guise of national security but actually meant to save political bigwigs and top military officers from public scrutiny.

I think DRDO should start working on a subsonic anti ship missile to replace the plethora of foreign missiles in IN. cheaper and lighter than brahmos and can arm the Corvettes and other lighter ships. Can also replace the coastal missile battery consisting of p-15 termite anti ship missile. The system's too old now.
A few stationed at Dwarka will lessen the threat to the sensitive Guj based assets like Jamnagar refineries and A&N bases. And can help arm the IMRH and other naval helos. A large number for our own consumption plus exports ( if MoD ever managed to sell something )

 

[Steven Rogers]

Yea. Including the enquiries for all wars from 1947 and Shubhash Chandra Bose's death . All protected under guise of national security but actually meant to save political bigwigs and top military officers from public scrutiny.

I think DRDO should start working on a subsonic anti ship missile to replace the plethora of foreign missiles in IN. cheaper and lighter than brahmos and can arm the Corvettes and other lighter ships. Can also replace the coastal missile battery consisting of p-15 termite anti ship missile. The system's too old now.
A few stationed at Dwarka will lessen the threat to the sensitive Guj based assets like Jamnagar refineries and A&N bases. And can help arm the IMRH and other naval helos. A large number for our own consumption plus exports ( if MoD ever managed to sell something )

Naval NIRBHAY and a missile which is subsonic in mid phase while supersonic in terminal phase are underdevelopment.

Sent from my Aqua Ace II using Tapatalk

 

[lcafanboy]

India to kick off price talks for Russian warships next week
Thursday, January 11, 2018
By: HT

Source Link: CLICK HERE


India and Russia will begin key price talks next week for the acquisition of four new stealth frigates to scale up the Indian Navy’s capabilities, a top government official familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.

Two of the warships will be constructed at the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad and the remaining two at Goa Shipyard Limited (GSL).

“Price negotiation with a visiting Russian delegation will begin on January 15. GSL has the expertise and infrastructure to build the warships in the country,” said the public sector yard’s chairman, Rear Admiral Shekhar Mital (retd). India is prepared to drive a hard bargain for the project, said a defence ministry official tracking the navy’s modernisation programme.

The navy currently operates six stealth frigates – three Talwar class and three Teg class – bought from Russia and inducted between 2003 and 2013.

The new Grigorovich-class ‘Project 1135.6’ frigates will be powered by gas turbine engines to be supplied by Ukrainian firm Ukroboronprom’s Gas Turbine Research & Production Complex Zorya-Mashproekt, a deal being negotiated separately by India.

“Ukraine refused deliveries of the gas turbine engines to Russia after the 2014 Crimea conflict unfolded. We are talking to the Ukrainians directly,” the official said. India and Russia inked an inter-governmental agreement in October 2016 for the four 4,000-tonne frigates, which are likely to be equipped with BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles. Russian delegations toured the GSL last year and found the production facilities to be satisfactory to take on the project. Building the frigates will be a challenging task for the Indian shipyard that has created facilities for construction of mine counter-measure vessels and supplied advanced offshore patrol vessels, fast patrol boats and interceptor craft to the navy and the coast guard.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...e-talks-for-Russian-warships-next-week-525699

 

[lcafanboy]

Minor Fire on INS Shivalik, no damage reported
Published January 11, 2018 | By admin SOURCE: IANS


A fire broke onboard Indian Navy’s stealth frigate INS Shivalik, but there was no major damage or any casualty, Navy officials said. According to officials, the fire broke in a store compartment, and was controlled in time.”It was a minor incident, there has been no damage to men or material,” an official said. A Board of Inquiry has been ordered in the incident. The lead ship of her class of stealth multi-role frigates built for the Indian Navy, INS Shivalik is the first stealth warship built by India.
http://idrw.org/minor-fire-on-ins-shivalik-no-damage-reported/#more-159085 .

 

[Tanmay]

India to kick off price talks for Russian warships next week
Thursday, January 11, 2018
By: HT

Source Link: CLICK HERE


India and Russia will begin key price talks next week for the acquisition of four new stealth frigates to scale up the Indian Navy’s capabilities, a top government official familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.

Two of the warships will be constructed at the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad and the remaining two at Goa Shipyard Limited (GSL).

“Price negotiation with a visiting Russian delegation will begin on January 15. GSL has the expertise and infrastructure to build the warships in the country,” said the public sector yard’s chairman, Rear Admiral Shekhar Mital (retd). India is prepared to drive a hard bargain for the project, said a defence ministry official tracking the navy’s modernisation programme.

The navy currently operates six stealth frigates – three Talwar class and three Teg class – bought from Russia and inducted between 2003 and 2013.

The new Grigorovich-class ‘Project 1135.6’ frigates will be powered by gas turbine engines to be supplied by Ukrainian firm Ukroboronprom’s Gas Turbine Research & Production Complex Zorya-Mashproekt, a deal being negotiated separately by India.

“Ukraine refused deliveries of the gas turbine engines to Russia after the 2014 Crimea conflict unfolded. We are talking to the Ukrainians directly,” the official said. India and Russia inked an inter-governmental agreement in October 2016 for the four 4,000-tonne frigates, which are likely to be equipped with BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles. Russian delegations toured the GSL last year and found the production facilities to be satisfactory to take on the project. Building the frigates will be a challenging task for the Indian shipyard that has created facilities for construction of mine counter-measure vessels and supplied advanced offshore patrol vessels, fast patrol boats and interceptor craft to the navy and the coast guard.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...e-talks-for-Russian-warships-next-week-525699

Hope these are cheap. The talwars are a bit oldies. Lack of flushed deck and integrated masts. Lot of clutter so less stealthy. The
Gorshkov class are a lot better (16 missiles). Good for increase in numbers and for anti paki ops

But same money could have been spent in extra improved shivaliks or upgunned kamortas with missiles. No need for extending Russian classe ships to 10 nos when indian ship classes end after jusy 3 nos. And then taking a decade to implement changes to the succeeding class and do steel cutting for next five years We need to go full chini style mass production of same class of ships rather then piecemeal orders of Indian class chips and favouring Russians. Atleast 8 to 10 ships of the same class in rapid time. ( Compared to chini 30 to 40 ships)