Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Vijyes]

Probably it's not about the cost, rather all defence shipyard bookorders are full for the next decade.

If I am not wrong they have to reach their target of 199 ships and subs by 2030.

There is nothing wrong in increasing the shipyard size. India has such a big coastline and population. I am not sure what is the insider reason but I suspect there is a reason

 

[ezsasa]

There is nothing wrong in increasing the shipyard size. India has such a big coastline and population. I am not sure what is the insider reason but I suspect there is a reason

Last year there were four shipyard expansions that took place, probably more on the way. We have to remember that ship building is measured in years , not months and days.

Everything that can be done is being done, legacy issues not withstanding.

 

[rohit b3]

Probably it's not about the cost, rather all defence shipyard bookorders are full for the next decade.

If I am not wrong they have to reach their target of 199 ships and subs by 2030.

The 3 of the largest Shipyards of the country are not full booked. Pipavav , L&T and CSL. Pipavav is building 5 OPVs for the Navy ,all of which should be delivered by 2019, CSL is outfitting the sole Aircraft Carrier INS Vikrant and L&T as far as I know, currently does not have any Naval ship construction going on as of now.
Anyway, Russia is desperate to sell those 3 Talwars, and i get a feeling that India would bargain hard and get some SSN technology under the table with those deals for our SSN programme.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Poster rectified ..

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The last time I read, Russia had sold an aircraft carrier at 2.4 billion dollars weighing 45 thousand tons. Are you sure that a measly 4 ton frigate is charged 2.7 billion? There must be a mistake. India would have bought another aircraft carrier for that price! and that too from Russia itself

Most likely, 360mil$ is cost of each Shivalik Class Frigate, but 2.7 Bil is the cost of all 6 Talwar Class Frigates .i.e around 450mil$ per Frigate.
Still paying more for a less capable Frigate.

Most likely, 360mil$ is cost of each Shivalik Class Frigate, but 2.7 Bil is the cost of all 6 Talwar Class Frigates .i.e around 450mil$ per Frigate.
Still paying more for a less capable Frigate.

Even in future deals, both a Talwar follow on and a far superior Project 17A would cost roughly 1Bil$-1.1Bil$ each. Infact, if this Talwar Class is cancelled and the Project 17A gets additional orders for 3-4 more ships, Cost per unit may go down further.

 

[singh100ful]

Why not just Dhruv for utility choppers?

HAL can respond to this RFI with Dhruv and if they fit the criteria then they will be selected.

 

[patriots]

Russia keen on joint development
of MiG-29 K jets with Indian firms


HIGHLIGHTS
MiG CEO Ilya Tarasenko said his company would submit a detailed proposal to the Modi government shortly.

It wants to express readiness for the joint development of aircraft for the Navy to deepen ties with India.

In January, the Indian Navy had kick-started the process of procuring 57 multi-role combat aircraft for its carriers.







NEW DELHI: Eyeing a multi-billion dollar contract from the Indian Navy for the supply of fighter aircraft, Russian military aviation firm MiG on l Sunday said it was not averse to the transfer of technology and joint development of MiG-29 K jets with Indian companies.


MiG CEO Ilya Tarasenko said his company
would submit a detailed proposal to the Modi
government shortly, detailing its readiness for
the joint development of aircraft for the Navy
to deepen its already close engagement with
India.




"We are considering various options for long-
term and perspective cooperation, including
those within the framework of the Make in
India programme," Tarasenko told PTI in a
written interview.


In January, the Indian Navy had kick-started
the process of procuring 57 multi-role combat
aircraft for its carriers by issuing a Request
for Information (RFI) to leading military jet
makers.

Currently, six planes are compatible for the
aircraft carrier - Rafale (Dassault, France),
F-18 Super Hornet (Boeing, US), MIG-29K
(Russia ), F-35B and F-35C (Lockheed Martin,
US) and Gripen (Saab, Sweden). While F-18,
Rafale and MIG-29K are twin-engine jets, the
other three have a single engine.



Tarasenko said MiG has been working with
Indian defence forces for more than 50 years,
delivering planes and providing service.
He said the company was eager to further
strengthen its relationship with India.
Russia has been one of India's key suppliers
of arms and ammunition. Then defence
minister Arun Jaitley had visited Russia in June
this year during which the issue of transfer of
technology and joint development of high-end
military platforms and weapons systems were
discussed at length.




Hard-selling MiG-29K as the best option for the
Indian Navy, Tarasenko said a fleet of the
aircraft had operated from Russian aircraft
carrier Admiral Kuznetsov as part of its
operations in Syria recently and showed
excellent results, including in striking ground
targets.




He said the MiG-29K was part of the recent
Malabar exercise involving the navies of India,
the US and Japan and it proved its operational
prowess while operating from the Indian
Navy's aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya.
Tarasenko claimed MiG-29K aircraft have
serious tactical and technical advantages
compared to Boeing's F/A-18.

"In addition, the MiG-29K aircraft were
successfully tested in combat conditions as
part of the Russian Navy's military squadron in
the Mediterranean in 2016 and have a unique
experience of real combat use," he said.



http://m.timesofindia.com/india/rus...ts-with-indian-firms/articleshow/60720895.cms

 

[Armand2REP]

Russia has some nerve offering more MiG-29s that can't make a deck landing without being structurally compromised. The engines have a 62% failure rate due to manufacturing defects. They must be joking.

Russia keen on joint development
of MiG-29 K jets with Indian firms


HIGHLIGHTS
MiG CEO Ilya Tarasenko said his company would submit a detailed proposal to the Modi government shortly.

It wants to express readiness for the joint development of aircraft for the Navy to deepen ties with India.

In January, the Indian Navy had kick-started the process of procuring 57 multi-role combat aircraft for its carriers.







NEW DELHI: Eyeing a multi-billion dollar contract from the Indian Navy for the supply of fighter aircraft, Russian military aviation firm MiG on l Sunday said it was not averse to the transfer of technology and joint development of MiG-29 K jets with Indian companies.


MiG CEO Ilya Tarasenko said his company
would submit a detailed proposal to the Modi
government shortly, detailing its readiness for
the joint development of aircraft for the Navy
to deepen its already close engagement with
India.




"We are considering various options for long-
term and perspective cooperation, including
those within the framework of the Make in
India programme," Tarasenko told PTI in a
written interview.


In January, the Indian Navy had kick-started
the process of procuring 57 multi-role combat
aircraft for its carriers by issuing a Request
for Information (RFI) to leading military jet
makers.

Currently, six planes are compatible for the
aircraft carrier - Rafale (Dassault, France),
F-18 Super Hornet (Boeing, US), MIG-29K
(Russia ), F-35B and F-35C (Lockheed Martin,
US) and Gripen (Saab, Sweden). While F-18,
Rafale and MIG-29K are twin-engine jets, the
other three have a single engine.



Tarasenko said MiG has been working with
Indian defence forces for more than 50 years,
delivering planes and providing service.
He said the company was eager to further
strengthen its relationship with India.
Russia has been one of India's key suppliers
of arms and ammunition. Then defence
minister Arun Jaitley had visited Russia in June
this year during which the issue of transfer of
technology and joint development of high-end
military platforms and weapons systems were
discussed at length.




Hard-selling MiG-29K as the best option for the
Indian Navy, Tarasenko said a fleet of the
aircraft had operated from Russian aircraft
carrier Admiral Kuznetsov as part of its
operations in Syria recently and showed
excellent results, including in striking ground
targets.




He said the MiG-29K was part of the recent
Malabar exercise involving the navies of India,
the US and Japan and it proved its operational
prowess while operating from the Indian
Navy's aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya.
Tarasenko claimed MiG-29K aircraft have
serious tactical and technical advantages
compared to Boeing's F/A-18.

"In addition, the MiG-29K aircraft were
successfully tested in combat conditions as
part of the Russian Navy's military squadron in
the Mediterranean in 2016 and have a unique
experience of real combat use," he said.



http://m.timesofindia.com/india/rus...ts-with-indian-firms/articleshow/60720895.cms

 

[binayak95]

Russia has some nerve offering more MiG-29s that can't make a deck landing without being structurally compromised. The engines have a 62% failure rate due to manufacturing defects. They must be joking.

The mere fact that the IN went to great lengths to issue an RFI for new carrier-borne fighters means that new MiG-29Ks are not gonna happen. The Russians should just give up and admit that their fighters have some serious serviceability issues.

 

[Vijyes]

If Russia offers engine technology or some other ToT, it can be acceptable for us at least for the ToTs.

 

[ash2win]

a representation of the above mentioned FSS
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credits :https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-y-p2F61t...li_6gQllFNXQ/s1600/HSL_Fleet_Support_Ship.jpg
and Indiandefensenews

This is Russian Navy's new Project 03182 arctic multi-purpose support vessels not South Korean

 

[Prayash]

Rs 2500 cr Indian Navy 4 vessel project bagged by Garden Reach Shipbuilders
Kolkata-based Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers (GRSE), under the ministry of defence, has emerged as the lowest bidder with a Rs 2,500-crore bid for four vessels for the Indian Navy. GRSE became the L1 bidder beating infra major Larsen & Toubro.

• September 13, 2017 2:56 PM

http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...ged-by-garden-reach-shipbuilders/852507/lite/

GRSE became the L1 bidder beating infra major Larsen & Toubro.

Kolkata-based Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers (GRSE), under the ministry of defence, has emerged as the lowest bidder with Rs 2,500-crore bid for four vessels for the Indian Navy. GRSE became the L1 bidder beating infra major Larsen & Toubro. “The bids for the programme were opened on Monday for four vessels which are for the hydrographic branch of the Indian Navy. These vessels are expected to be designed in-house,” sources told Fe. The engines for the vessels are most likely to be imported, they further added. GRSE’s bid of Rs 520 crore for each vessel bettered L&T’s quote of Rs 742 crore, which was almost 43% higher.

The other shipyards who had responded to the RFP in 2015 were Hindustan Shipyard Rs 563 crore per vessel, Goa Shipyard Rs 568 crore, Cochin Shipyard Rs 573 crore and Shoft Shipyard Rs 670 crore.

GRSE will deliver the first vessel three years after the deal is signed and the rest of the vessels subsequently every one year thereafter.


Senior officers told Fe, “The plan is to completely revamp the hydrographic branch. Apart from meeting its own requirements, the navy also helps the friendly neighbouring countries in carrying out hydrographic surveys which are critical for maritime operations.”

The survey vessel is any type of ship or boat that is used for mapping. It is a type of research vessel. The basic task of survey vessels is to map the bottom, benthic zone, full water column and surface for the purpose of hydrography, general oceanography, marine habitats, salvage, dredging and marine archaeology.

The Indian Navy already has a fleet of 10 research and survey vessels in service in three different class namely: Sagardhwani Class (2 vessels), Sandhayak Class (7 vessels) and Makar Class (1 vessel).

These vessels undertake surveys of maritime limits up to EEZ/extended continental shelf and collection of oceanographic and geophysical data for defence applications.

In a secondary role, the Navy had specified that the ships should be able to perform limited defence roles in an emergency (suitable arrangements for installation of CRN 91 gun with optronic pedestal or as indicated by the Indian Navy), limited search and rescue capability, limited ocean research capability and hospital ship/casualty holding ship.

The ships are required to have single hull construction with welded steel, endurance of 6,500 nm at economical speed (14-16 knots), a maximum speed of 18 knots and cruising speed of 16 knots. The navy has also stipulated that the ships should be capable of operating one single-engine rotary wing aircraft, retractable hangar for the full stowage of the aircraft.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

There were some Mirage crashes in repeated manner during MMRCA competition ..

Russia has some nerve offering more MiG-29s that can't make a deck landing without being structurally compromised. The engines have a 62% failure rate due to manufacturing defects. They must be joking.

 

[binayak95]

INS Shishumar, escorted by INS Mumbai, entered Duqm, Oman for an operational turn around. Surprising how the Navy quite explicitly mentions that the Shishumar, which is a Type-209 SSK, was on operational deployment to N. Arabian sea.

 

[Armand2REP]

There were some Mirage crashes in repeated manner during MMRCA competition ..

There is much disrespect in this letter from Russian hacks to Admiral Prakash. He is not Mr. Prakash, he is Four Star Admiral Prakash, former Chief of Staff and highest commanding officer of the entire Navy. He is also the most decorated naval aviator ace with the Vir Chakra. This Anastasia girl, who is she to call the most venerated Admiral a liar? I bet she never served a day in uniform.

What Mirage crash have to do with MMRCA which Rafale won against MiG-35 which couldn't even get their engines started at Leh? Mirage 2000 is beloved by IAF and its high serviceability rates. I have no idea why you go there.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

That part was mentioned because you mention about their nerves ..

Don`t be surprise if those Mirages are sabotaged ..

I have no idea why you go there.

 

[TPFscopes]

Inside INA (Indian Naval Academy) Documentary

English:

Hindi

 

[Shashwat]

Any update on Kaveri turbine engine? It was supposed to be fitted in Rajput class destroyer.

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=40470

 

[NeXoft007]

Any update on Kaveri turbine engine? It was supposed to be fitted in Rajput class destroyer.

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=40470

The power output of desi Marine Gas Turbine is still not feasible enough to propel frigates, forget destroyers. And more issues needs to be addressed.

 

[Vijyes]

The power output of desi Marine Gas Turbine is still not feasible enough to propel frigates, forget destroyers. And more issues needs to be addressed.

What is the power output of desi turbine?

 

[Prashant12]

VAdm Girish Luthra FOC-in-C(W) commissions INS Tarasa, a Follow-On Water Jet Fast Attack Craft in Indian Navy