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Re: Indian Navy issues RfI for tactical UASs

The Indian Navy (IN) is seeking to buy a fleet of about 50 tactical shipborne unmanned aerial systems (UASs) under its Naval Shipborne Unmanned Aerial System (NSUAS) programme, according to a request for information (RfI) issued by the Directorate of Naval Air Staff (DNAS) on 5 February.

The deadline for responses is 5 March.

The UASs are to be used to improve India's monitoring of sea lanes of communication (SLOCs) and exclusive economic zones, for anti-piracy and anti-terrorism missions, in search and rescue, and to provide automated identification system (AIS) inputs for ship tracking.

According to the RfI, the UASs should be capable of day and night operations from naval vessels 50 m or longer, both with and without helicopter decks.

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janes.com/article/48746/indian-navy-issues-rfi-for-tactical-uass
i am assuming this is coming straight out as our response to the Jan 1st fishing boat incident.
 

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Re: Indian Navy puts out RfI for next-gen missile vessel

The Indian Navy's (IN's) Directorate of Ship Production has issued a request for information (RfI) relating to six Next Generation Missile Vessels (NGMVs) under the 'Buy (Indian)/Buy and Make (Indian)' category of the Defence Procurement Policy (DPP) 2013.

The RfI, issued in early February, aims to "finalise the specifications of the NGMVs to meet the Indian Navy's requirements," after which requests for proposal (RfPs) will be issued to selected vendors.

The RfI stipulates that the IN only welcomes responses from vendors that meet certain "minimum qualifying criteria" including the key stipulation that it should be a shipyard that has built "vessel(s) of similar specifications".

Link:
janes.com/article/48749/indian-navy-puts-out-rfi-for-next-gen-missile-vessel
What is this about? Missile boat or frigate?

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Download the RFI from the page linked.

http://www.irfc-nausena.nic.in/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=339

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Kind of heavy corvette or light frigate. Must be equivalent to AShW variant of Saryu.

Kind of our LCS or Low intensity warfare in EEZ.
 
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Re: Indian Navy puts out RfI for next-gen missile vessel

What is this about? Missile boat or frigate?

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Download the RFI from the page linked.

Indian Navy Information Resource and Facilitation Centre - Content

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Kind of heavy corvette or light frigate. Must be equivalent to AShW variant of Saryu.

Kind of our LCS or Low intensity warfare in EEZ.
Going by the draught and complement . It might be about the size of the talwar class .
Larger than the tarantul smaller than the Kamorta .
Saryu hull .. who knows for the speeds and armament quoted it will need gas turbines.
 

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I think these are replacements for Kora/Khukri class. The complement of nearly 100 indicate that the ship will be > 1500 tonne. The Saryu hull is ofcourse feasible but neither Kora nor Saryu does 35knots. Thats more like a Veer class.
 

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Re: Indian Navy puts out RfI for next-gen missile vessel

Going by the draught and complement . It might be about the size of the talwar class .
Larger than the tarantul smaller than the Kamorta .
Saryu hull .. who knows for the speeds and armament quoted it will need gas turbines.
Talwar class are larger than Kamorta class.
 

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I think these are replacements for Kora/Khukri class. The complement of nearly 100 indicate that the ship will be > 1500 tonne. The Saryu hull is ofcourse feasible but neither Kora nor Saryu does 35knots. Thats more like a Veer class.
Saryu has diesel power plant but this probably will have CoDAG or CoGAG.
 

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Re: Indian Navy puts out RfI for next-gen missile vessel

I think these are replacements for Kora/Khukri class. The complement of nearly 100 indicate that the ship will be > 1500 tonne. The Saryu hull is ofcourse feasible but neither Kora nor Saryu does 35knots. Thats more like a Veer class.
I agree .. It seems identical to the Kora. In size complement and weapons . Only difference being the larger SAMs .

Talwar class are larger than Kamorta class.
My mistake.

Edit - I wonder if they will do away with VLS for the ASMs. For a fast nimble ship the pointing the ship in the right direction might be less of an issue and will save space .
 
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Navy Finds a New Role for Submarine Sindhurakshak

New Delhi: INS Sindhurakshak - the Russian built diesel electric Kilo class submarine -- that blew up two years ago in Mumbai, may be put use again. Senior defence ministry officials told NDTV that the submarine is likely to be taken to sea, sunk and used as training platform for navy divers. Divers are one of most critical arms of any Navy and are primarily used for salvage operations, de- mining and even in an offensive role. "A team of officials have been tasked to examine the possibilities and the logistics that will be required to take back into the sea," the official said. Explosions had taken place on board the Sindhurakshak on 14 August 2013 while it was preparing to leave for a routine operation. The accident had killed 18 crew members. An inquiry by the Navy subsequently found that standard operating procedures had been violated, which led to the tragedy. The sub, which had sunk in the Mumbai harbor, was salvaged and currently rests on a pontoon in the Mumbai docks. Indian Navy divers are trained at the Cochin Diving School and also at Submarine training school in Vishakapatnam. But in both places, they are trained under simulated conditions -- in specially built tanks, where changes in weather and sea conditions are difficult to replicate. "Having a real submarine deep in the sea to be used by divers for training would be of immense value," a senior Navy official told NDTV. Three months before the accident, the 16-year-old submarine had been refurbished in Russia at a cost of Rs. 480 crore. It had been fitted with an improved warfare system and was expected to serve for another decade.

Navy Finds a New Role for Submarine Sindhurakshak
 

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Rs 50k-cr naval project gets Cabinet nod

The Cabinet Committee on Security on Tuesday sanctioned the country's biggest naval project, the construction of seven stealth frigates for Rs 45,381 crore. Mazagon Dock Ltd (MDL), Mumbai , will build four of these, while Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers, Kolkata (GRSE), simultaneously builds the other three.

This project, dubbed Project 17A, follows on from the earlier Project 17, in which MDL built three 5,600-tonne frigates: INS Shivalik, Satpura and Sahyadri. The first of these, the Shivalik, entered service in 2009.

The timeline for Project 17A allows each shipyard a preparatory period of two years, in which they will prepare for construction and place orders for long-lead items like engines and transmission. Then they will actually build the warship over five years. The first two frigates would be delivered by MDL and GRSE in 2022, with the rest coming in pairs at one-year intervals.

The Project 17A frigates, while superficially similar to those build under Project 17, will pack significantly more punch with more advanced weaponry. The new vessels will be fitted with BrahMos cruise missile for land attack, and the new Indo-Israeli Long Range Surface-to-Air Missile (LR-SAM) that can shoot down incoming anti-ship missiles.

The main advance in Project 17A will be the "modular" method with which the frigates will be constructed. Traditional shipbuilding involved welding a hull together and launching it into water, after which swarms of craftsmen painstakingly work in the warship's cramped compartments, installing propulsion gear, electrically equipment, weapons, sensors and hundreds of kilometres of pipes and wiring.

In contrast, modular construction is like a giant Lego game. The ship is built in convenient 300-ton blocks that are then assembled together into a complete warship. Each block is fabricated in a well-lit, ventilated workshop with multi-level access, and is pre-fitted with the piping, electrical wiring and fitments that run through a ship. Giant cranes then bring the massive blocks together, each one dovetailing precisely with its neighboring block, every wire, pipe and compartment coming together in perfect alignment.

Modular construction results in better build quality and is expected to bring down the build time from 72 to just 60 months.

This method, being new, has required a foreign design partner. It has also required an extensive renovation of both MDL and GRSE, with each shipyard spending Rs 800-1,000 crore on modular workshops, with Goliath cranes, and workshops with sliding roofs from where 300-tonne blocks can be lifted out.


Project 17A is vital for executing the navy's Maritime Capability Perspective Plan (MCPP), which envisions a 160-ship navy, with 90 capital warships, i.e. aircraft carriers, destroyers, frigates and corvettes. The navy is currently 20 vessels short of this target, with major shortfalls in destroyers and frigates.

To add numbers quickly, the navy had pressed for building the first two vessels of Project 17A abroad in the technology partners' shipyard. The United Progressive Alliance government overruled this.
 

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2022 is too long. If the P-17a is based on Shivaliks then they should be able to deliver the first ones by 2020.
 

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2022 is too long. If the P-17a is based on Shivaliks then they should be able to deliver the first ones by 2020.
If you think that the keel will be laid before 2016 you have not been paying attention .
 

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I dont know how to post photos or i think i dont have authorisation to post photos.

Just had some doubts and wanted to know about it by experts over here.

In Arihant page i saw the google earth photo of Arihant. And Chakra inside the shed behind it as said over der.

So got curiosity and started watching the naval docks and got shocked to see 13 submarines total in vishakpatnam and mumbai naval docks including Arihant and chakra ( And i think even including sindhurakshak and sindukirti because 2 of them are dry docked).

According to wiki we have only 14 (conventional) + 2(nuclear) subs.

I found total 13 of them in both dock.

What that mean????? Including 3 commands (BOB,IO & As) only 3 subs where on duty at the time sattelite photography????

If that is the case how will sailors be trained or how long will der skill remain with them without getting much on duty work. What is the reason of not using them effectively.

First of all their are very few subs with us and a great threat of PLA's subs .

I just wanted to know about this.
I had took snaps of all 13 subs but cant upload it as i m not authorised.
So please look at the docks in google earth by urself.
 

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@NLD, the pictures of docks have different dates. So you cannot say that 13 subs are docked at the same time.
Hard to say how many are on patrol at one time but three is too low a number.

The Chakra which is clicked at Vizag may have come for resupply. That picture does not mean the boat stays there forever.

The diesel sub picture is suboptimal at this time. This is why Arihant is very important.
 
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