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So, what exactly is happening on the 533mm torpedo front? We wanted BlackShark, were offered SeaHakeMod4, and Varunastra stays put in limbo?
 

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So, what exactly is happening on the 533mm torpedo front? We wanted BlackShark, were offered SeaHakeMod4, and Varunastra stays put in limbo?
Latest dna exclusive: Amid blacklisting process, Agusta firm gets (Black Shark) torpedo deal
Friday, Jan 17, 2014, 6:43 IST | Place: New Delhi | Agency: DNA

LINK: dnaindia.com/india/report-dna-exclusive-amid-blacklisting-process-agusta-firm-gets-torpedo-deal-1952195

Within weeks of the defence ministry cancelling the Rs3,600 crore deal with AgustaWestland to procure 12 VVIP choppers, it has quietly gone ahead and cleared another multi-million dollar deal with Finmeccanica, Agusta's parent company, for the procurement of 98 torpedoes for the navy.

So, was this deal done because all the processes for the torpedo deal were declared as 'clean' by various committees? Or was it done despite the fact that Augusta Westland could soon find itself blacklisted? Once blacklisted all companies in the group including the parent company, in this case Finmeccanica, also face the axe.

Significantly, this deal has been struck at a time when the process of blacklisting Finmeccanica has begun. A top defence ministry source told dna that about a fortnight ago, the Defence Acquisition Council headed by Antony cleared the proposal to procure Black Shark torpedoes for $300 million for the navy. "Now, it will go to the cabinet committee on security for the final nod," said a senior ministry officer.

Black Shark torpedoes are multi-purpose weapons designed to launch from both submarines and surface vessels. They are manufactured by a Finmeccanica company called WASS (Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquei).

According to sources, the Indian navy will arm its Scorpene and conventional submarines with Black Shark torpedoes which have a range of 30 miles and can be launched from submarines and warships. Of the 98 torpedoes that India has sought, 20 would be procured from the original equipment manufacturer and the rest would be manufactured by Bharat Dynamics under licence in India. Transfer of technology under the contract will allow maintenance and overhaul of the torpedoes.

Some MPs questioned the procurement process and levelled allegations. Antony set up a Special Technical Oversight Committee to look into the complaints. The committee in its May 2013 report said the procurement process was carried out in a transparent manner.
 

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Yeah, but why BlackShark? Isn't SeaHake Mod4 is much advanced? And what about Varunastra?

Latest dna exclusive: Amid blacklisting process, Agusta firm gets (Black Shark) torpedo deal
Friday, Jan 17, 2014, 6:43 IST | Place: New Delhi | Agency: DNA

LINK: dnaindia.com/india/report-dna-exclusive-amid-blacklisting-process-agusta-firm-gets-torpedo-deal-1952195
 

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Black Shark torpedoes are multi-purpose weapons designed to launch from both submarines and surface vessels. They are manufactured by a Finmeccanica company called WASS (Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquei).
Dude... Whitehead devenloped the torpedo in the 1850-1860 and the WASS is the direct successor of original Whitehead and the oldest torpedo producer in the world and the BlackShark are the best torpedo on the market (brw the French F1 are BlackShark rebranded) :)
 
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Yeah, but why BlackShark? Isn't SeaHake Mod4 is much advanced? And what about Varunastra?
Defence ministry reviews move to buy (Black Shark) torpedoes
Rajat Pandit,The Times of India, 18 Jan 2014

LINK: timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Defence-ministry-reviews-move-to-buy-torpedoes/articleshow/28974972.cms

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It looks like there is no clarity within MOD bureaucrats during Defence Acquisition meeting regarding what Indian Navy should buy or not.
 

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Navy's Guns Sink with Tender
By N C Bipindra - NEW DELHI
Published: 19th Jan 2014

LINK: newindianexpress.com/thesundaystandard/Navys-Guns-Sink-with-Tender/2014/01/19/article2007102.ece

The Navy's plans to procure weapons for future warships are at risk of running aground. The force urgently needs 127mm guns, but its tender for 13 guns estimated at Rs 1,500 crore finds itself in rough waters. To start with, there were only two vendors for the guns globally. Now, while one has walked out of the tender, the other is facing uncertainty due to its parent company's woes.

Sources said this could delay two key shipbuilding projects—the seven follow-on Shivalik-class frigates and six Delhi-class destroyers—that are in various stages of construction in domestic shipyards.

While the UK's BAE Systems has refused to bid, Italian Oto Melara, whose parent company Finmeccanica is facing corruption probes back home, is keen on participating in the tender.

Finmeccanica is also the parent firm of helicopter manufacturer AgustaWestland, which is facing an Indian probe over allegations of bribes in a Rs 3,727-crore deal for supplying AW-101 VVIP transport choppers to the Indian Air Force.

This has presented the Navy with a fait accompli. Its tender is now on deathbed.

The BAE's nonparticipation leaves only one vendor in the fray and that is a strict no-no under the present Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP). The DPP stipulates that there has to be a competition (at least two competing firms) before the contract is awarded to the lowest bidder.

The Navy is facing this situation also because the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has not been able to design and develop a 127mm/5-inch gun indigenously.

"It is a pitiable state of affairs. We have not been able to develop an indigenous gun. Now, the search for a foreign gun too is virtually dead. In a single vendor situation, the tender is a nonstarter," a Naval officer said.

While a representative of Oto Melara in India confirmed their participation in the tender, a BAE representative too confirmed their decision not to participate.

The Defence Ministry had issued the tender (Request for Proposals or RFP in defence parlance) to the two firms on November 12, 2013, and the companies were given time till March 2014 to respond.

Under the programme, India would buy two guns directly from the winner of the tender, while 11 more guns would be manufactured by Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BHEL) through transfer of technology from the global Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) that wins the contract.

But within a fortnight, BAE Systems wrote back saying the company does not intend submitting a proposal. "After conducting a detailed assessment of the RFP, the company has concluded that key aspects present the bidder with a disproportionate level of risk," BAE Systems said in a response.

By "disproportionate risk" BAE Systems meant that the Defence Ministry was placing the onus of performance of BHEL in executing the contract with quality guns and timely deliveries on the foreign OEM, which would have no control over the functioning of the PSU. Non-performance by the PSU would entail penalties being imposed on the OEM.

"This risk would involve costs and we are sure the Indian government understands this," a BAE Systems representative said. BAE Systems noted that it has vast experience in producing the Mk45 127mm/5-inch 62-calibre Mod4 gun and in establishing in-country manufacturing programmes. It claimed the gun matched the Indian Navy's needs. The gun, it said, is in service with the naval fleets of Australia, Denmark, Greece, Japan, Republic of Korea, New Zealand, Spain, Republic of China (Taiwan), Thailand and Turkey.

The Oto Melara representative, in response to queries, said the company would reply to the Defence Ministry's RFP by March 2014.
 
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Navy's Guns Sink with Tender
By N C Bipindra - NEW DELHI
Published: 19th Jan 2014

LINK: newindianexpress.com/thesundaystandard/Navys-Guns-Sink-with-Tender/2014/01/19/article2007102.ece
The Indian taxpayers would like to know why DRDO is unable to design and develop a 127 mm/5 inch gun indigenously in India. Is it because the government & MOD are unable to give more R&D funds to DRDO like what former director (DRDO) VK Saraswat has said long time back?
 

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The Indian taxpayers would like to know why DRDO is unable to design and develop a 127 mm/5 inch gun indigenously in India. Is it because the government & MOD are unable to give more R&D funds to DRDO like what former director (DRDO) VK Saraswat has said long time back?
It has Pretty sufficient Funds.....but the reason is it that it is not opening up to private players.Which results in cost escalations or birth products which doesn't suits Indian armed forces.An example of this is INSAS rifle...DRDO should learn a TON from ISRO :fp:
 

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INS Betwa's Sonar Sensor
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A minor fracture in the casing of a key sensor has forced the Navy to dry-dock warship INS Betwa for repairs, sources said here on Wednesday. INS Betwa, a Brahmaputra class guided missile frigate, had returned to Mumbai from an operational deployment in the Arabian Sea when the ship's crew noticed that the sonar (Sound Navigation and Ranging) system had a sea water ingress. This forced the Navy to send the warship for dry-docking and later found that the casing of the sonar's dome had an hairline crack. Now, the Navy is getting the Sonar either repaired or replaced, sources said, adding that it was also investigating how the dome got damaged. Sonar is a sensor that enables the warship to send out sound waves to detect depth for navigation and enemy submarines.


INS Betwa's Sonar Sensor Damaged - The New Indian Express
 

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Ex-Indian Navy Officer now a Standford Universifty wins Marconi Prize

WASHINGTON: An India-born engineer-scientist who was disdained by the Indian system despite his yeoman contribution to the country's naval defense, and whose subsequent work in the United States is at the heart of the current high speed WiFi and 4G mobile systems, has been awarded the 2014 Marconi Prize, a Nobel equivalent for technology pioneers.

Coimbatore-native and Stanford University Professor Emeritus Arogyaswami Joseph Paulraj, simply known as ''Paul'' to his legion of friends and admirers, has been recognized for his work in inventing and advancing MIMO (Multiple Input Multiple Output) technology, a key enabler of wireless broadband services that has revolutionized high speed delivery of multimedia across the world.

The Marconi Prize, whose previous winners include world wide web pioneer Tim Berners-Lee, Internet legend Vint Cerf, Google search maestro Larry Page, and cell phone inventor Martin Cooper, comes with a $ 100,000 prize, but prestige and recognition worth a lot more for these people who are already millionaires. Uncommonly, the Marconi Prize comes just three years after Paulraj was honored with the other major Telecom technology award - the IEEE Alexander Graham Bell Medal for his work on theoretical foundations of MIMO.

''Paul has made profound contributions to wireless technology, and the resulting benefit to mankind is indisputable. Every wifi router and 4G phone today uses MIMO technology pioneered by him,'' says Professor Sir David Payne, Chairman of the Marconi Society and Director of the Optoelectronics Research Centre at the University of Southampton. ''MIMO will soon be pervasive in all wireless devices. Moreover, Paulraj's work has provided fertile ground for thousands of researchers to explore and advance MIMO's potential to enhance wireless spectrum efficiency.''

The Marconi Society, celebrating its 50th year in 2014, was founded by Gioia Marconi Braga, daughter of the legendary radio inventor Guglielmo Marconi. Winners typically include scientists whose mathematical theories and inventions have shaped the Internet and broadband access, public key encryption, Web search, wired and wireless transmission, multimedia publishing, optical fiber and satellite communications.While Silicon Valley - where Prof Paulraj is already a legend - will exult in will exult in recognition of another tech titan, India's Silicon Plateau might yet rue of another genius it let go. An electrical engineer, Paul worked for nearly a quarter century for the Indian Navy before he quit India. In fact, it was the Indian Navy that sent him to IIT Delhi for an M.S program at the instance of Prof P V Indiresan, an influential EE professor who recognized his potential.

The story goes that in 1970, Stanford Prof. Thomas Kailath, a brilliant and influential systems theorist who is himself a Pune-native, visited IIT Delhi to lecture on non-linear estimation. Inspired by Kailath's lectures, Paul went on to make fundamental advances in the area much to the Indian Navy's benefit.

In 1971, after the war with Pakistan exposed shortcomings of the Navy's (British origin) sonars leading to the loss of a Naval ship, Paul led a successful project to redesign the sonar adding many new signal processing concepts. Three years later the new technology was widely deployed in the fleet.

''The (Indian) Navy is enormously proud of Paul's many achievements and will remain always indebted for his landmark development of the APSOH sonar,'' Retired Admiral R. H. Tahiliani, former Chief of the Naval Staff, told the Marconi Society on the occasion of the award to Paul.

In fact, Paul's work enabled India to overcome the military export restrictions imposed by the west. In an ironic twist, the Navy allowed him to go to Stanford on a two-year sabbatical, joining his mentor Tom Kailath. He returned to India in 1986 and served as the founding director for three major labs - CAIR (Center for Artificial Intelligence and Robotics), CDAC (Center for Development of Advanced Computing) and CRL (Central Research Labs of Bharat Electronics).


But by 1991, according to the now familiar narrative, bureaucratic battles began to take their toll, and with the consent of the Indian Navy, he returned to the US and Stanford University. ''His departure for Stanford University was a major loss for our country and the circumstances that led to his move may explain why we have so few Nobel Laureates from India,'' Admiral Tahiliani said.

Although Paul and his wife Nirmala live on the Stanford campus, they are frequent visitors to India, which recognized his contribution to the country with a Padma Bhushan award in 2010. He has been a strong proponent for reviving India's telecom technology industry, noting the high cost to the nation for its near total dependence on telecom imports. "It is expensive and it is self-defeating. We should be making our own equipment, we have the talent and the expertise," he lamented in a phone
 
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Please focus on the concluding paragraph.

Ex-Indian Navy Officer now a Standford Universifty wins Marconi Prize

WASHINGTON: An India-born engineer-scientist who was disdained by the Indian system despite his yeoman contribution to the country's naval defense, and whose subsequent work in the United States is at the heart of the current high speed WiFi and 4G mobile systems, has been awarded the 2014 Marconi Prize, a Nobel equivalent for technology pioneers.

Coimbatore-native and Stanford University Professor Emeritus Arogyaswami Joseph Paulraj, simply known as ''Paul'' to his legion of friends and admirers, has been recognized for his work in inventing and advancing MIMO (Multiple Input Multiple Output) technology, a key enabler of wireless broadband services that has revolutionized high speed delivery of multimedia across the world.

The Marconi Prize, whose previous winners include world wide web pioneer Tim Berners-Lee, Internet legend Vint Cerf, Google search maestro Larry Page, and cell phone inventor Martin Cooper, comes with a $ 100,000 prize, but prestige and recognition worth a lot more for these people who are already millionaires. Uncommonly, the Marconi Prize comes just three years after Paulraj was honored with the other major Telecom technology award - the IEEE Alexander Graham Bell Medal for his work on theoretical foundations of MIMO.

''Paul has made profound contributions to wireless technology, and the resulting benefit to mankind is indisputable. Every wifi router and 4G phone today uses MIMO technology pioneered by him,'' says Professor Sir David Payne, Chairman of the Marconi Society and Director of the Optoelectronics Research Centre at the University of Southampton. ''MIMO will soon be pervasive in all wireless devices. Moreover, Paulraj's work has provided fertile ground for thousands of researchers to explore and advance MIMO's potential to enhance wireless spectrum efficiency.''

The Marconi Society, celebrating its 50th year in 2014, was founded by Gioia Marconi Braga, daughter of the legendary radio inventor Guglielmo Marconi. Winners typically include scientists whose mathematical theories and inventions have shaped the Internet and broadband access, public key encryption, Web search, wired and wireless transmission, multimedia publishing, optical fiber and satellite communications.While Silicon Valley - where Prof Paulraj is already a legend - will exult in will exult in recognition of another tech titan, India's Silicon Plateau might yet rue of another genius it let go. An electrical engineer, Paul worked for nearly a quarter century for the Indian Navy before he quit India. In fact, it was the Indian Navy that sent him to IIT Delhi for an M.S program at the instance of Prof P V Indiresan, an influential EE professor who recognized his potential.

The story goes that in 1970, Stanford Prof. Thomas Kailath, a brilliant and influential systems theorist who is himself a Pune-native, visited IIT Delhi to lecture on non-linear estimation. Inspired by Kailath's lectures, Paul went on to make fundamental advances in the area much to the Indian Navy's benefit.

In 1971, after the war with Pakistan exposed shortcomings of the Navy's (British origin) sonars leading to the loss of a Naval ship, Paul led a successful project to redesign the sonar adding many new signal processing concepts. Three years later the new technology was widely deployed in the fleet.

''The (Indian) Navy is enormously proud of Paul's many achievements and will remain always indebted for his landmark development of the APSOH sonar,'' Retired Admiral R. H. Tahiliani, former Chief of the Naval Staff, told the Marconi Society on the occasion of the award to Paul.

In fact, Paul's work enabled India to overcome the military export restrictions imposed by the west. In an ironic twist, the Navy allowed him to go to Stanford on a two-year sabbatical, joining his mentor Tom Kailath. He returned to India in 1986 and served as the founding director for three major labs - CAIR (Center for Artificial Intelligence and Robotics), CDAC (Center for Development of Advanced Computing) and CRL (Central Research Labs of Bharat Electronics).


But by 1991, according to the now familiar narrative, bureaucratic battles began to take their toll, and with the consent of the Indian Navy, he returned to the US and Stanford University. ''His departure for Stanford University was a major loss for our country and the circumstances that led to his move may explain why we have so few Nobel Laureates from India,'' Admiral Tahiliani said.

Although Paul and his wife Nirmala live on the Stanford campus, they are frequent visitors to India, which recognized his contribution to the country with a Padma Bhushan award in 2010. He has been a strong proponent for reviving India's telecom technology industry, noting the high cost to the nation for its near total dependence on telecom imports. "It is expensive and it is self-defeating. We should be making our own equipment, we have the talent and the expertise," he lamented in a phone
It is the bane of the british era IAS system that leads to tragic loss of talent in indian scientific sector, Science and tech sectors should be administered by scientific persons, not IAS administrative guys.

Can you believe that a section of myopic bureaucracy tried to close down the tejas program as waste of money and time in the nineties during UF rule?

Ratan Tata was one among the people who strongly advised against this move, if the section of the bureaucracy had its way then tejas would have met the fate of marut, whose new Bristol Sydley engine development was stalled for a princely sum of 5crs!!!

But we can take pride in indian NAvy's tech savy leadership that pushed such a talented guy to the top ranks, Just compare it to the tech illiterate IAF whose chief says ,"they can developm a MMRCA winner class fighter in a decade from their base repair depot" and ,"tejas is a Mig-21 ++".

No wonder IA and IAF are bleeding forex forever with no worthwhile indigenous equipment. IA even goes abroad for guns!!!
 
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It is the bane of the british era IAS system that leads to tragic loss of talent in indian scientific sector, Science and tech sectors should be administered by scientific persons, not IAS administrative guys.

Can you believe that a section of myopic bureaucracy tried to close down the tejas program as waste of money and time in the nineties during UF rule?

Ratan Tata was one among the people who strongly advised against this move, if the section of the bureaucracy had its way then tejas would have met the fate of marut, whose new Bristol Sydley engine development was stalled for a princely sum of 5crs!!!

But we can take pride in indian NAvy's tech savy leadership that pushed such a talented guy to the top ranks, Just compare it to the tech illiterate IAF whose chief says ,"they can developm a MMRCA winner class fighter in a decade from their base repair depot" and ,"tejas is a Mig-21 ++".

No wonder IA and IAF are bleeding forex forever with no worthwhile indigenous equipment. IA even goes abroad for guns!!!
I couldn't agree more.
We have too many generalists(IAS) babus with pygmy intellects dictating terms to experts/ gifted individuals who are intellectual giants.
As I have quoted earlier " mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself, it is only the talented who recognize a genius"
A sheer loss of talent, which the Nation very much needs.

Way to go! Professor Emeritus Arogyaswami Joseph Paulraj, three cheers for your achievement.
 

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@TrueSpirit1,

I endorse @ersakthivel and @pkroyal's statements.


Too much of a babu bureaucracy is causing trouble to armed forces.

Recently, I had a word with one of close friend who works at HAL, he asserted that, each and every silly activity needs approvals babus who doesn't even understand head and tail of mechatronics, one would have to spend his/her time and energy to convince those babu blokes.

Another shocking aspect I heard was, the so called ToT by Russians is nothing but a Dikhava ! Russians have not transferred any critical technology, HAL is simply assembling the parts.

We need to concentrate more on indigenous inventions rather than depending on firangis, frenchies, israelis, yankees or even ruskies.

Don't know when this system will change or would there be even some attempt to change the current system :tsk:
 
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@TrueSpirit1,

I endorse @ersakthivel and @pkroyal's statements.


Too much of a babu bureaucracy is causing trouble to armed forces.

Recently, I had a word with one of close friend who works at HAL, he asserted that, each and every silly activity needs approvals babus who doesn't even understand head and tail of mechatronics, one would have to spend his/her time and energy to convince those babu blokes.

Another shocking aspect I heard was, the so called ToT by Russians is nothing but a Dikhava ! Russians have not transferred any critical technology, HAL is simply assembling the parts.

We need to concentrate more on indigenous inventions rather than depending on firangis, frenchies, israelis, yankees or even ruskies.

Don't know when this system will change or would there be even some attempt to change the current system :tsk:
TOT is one of the biggest scams ever perpetrated on indian defence budgets,
Nobody transfers any critical tech, at best we would have been given assembly drawings and instructions to screw the bolt and some testing equipment to see whether what we have done is right or wrong.
But for this great TOT we often cough up a few billion extra dollars every year!!!!
No arms seller will transfer his hard earned tech to india for a few dollars more.
The same is the case with Su-30 MKi deep TOT.

because this sham called TOT is exposed when we could not find the right material for tejas radome to allow the radar to track for its full potential till now. If we have been given TOT on this material in SU-30 MKI deal , then why is the problem being encountered on tejas composite radome?


In the same way it is being reported in many sources that the Single crystal blade making facility that is being put up by Koraput HAL division for HAL is based on tech developed for kaveri engine SCB effort by DMRL which is being in the process of certification for batch production by CEMILAC as said by ADA Dg Tamilmani in a recent interview.

As the DMRL lab produced SCB has already cleared the certification process now actual blades from production facility is under certification by CEMILAC. Bt we don't know the temp tolerance of this SCB as of yet and whether it will be good enough to be put in AL series engine of SU-30 MKI.


But you can find many posters in DFI insisting that it is the russians who have given us this SCB tech as part of the AL series engine deal for Su-30 MKI
 
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TOT is one of the biggest scams ever perpetrated on indian defence budgets,
Nobody transfers any critical tech, at best we would have been given assembly drawings and instructions to screw the bolt and some testing equipment to see whether what we have done is right or wrong.
But for this great TOT we often cough up a few billion extra dollars every year!!!!
No arms seller will transfer his hard earned tech to india for a few dollars more.
The same is the case with Su-30 MKi deep TOT.

because this sham called TOT is exposed when we could not find the right material for tejas radome to allow the radar to track for its full potential till now. If we have been given TOT on this material in SU-30 MKI deal , then why is the problem being encountered on tejas composite radome?


In the same way it is being reported in many sources that the Single crystal blade making facility that is being put up by Koraput HAL division for HAL is based on tech developed for kaveri engine SCB effort by DMRL which is being in the process of certification for batch production by CEMILAC as said by ADA Dg Tamilmani in a recent interview.

As the DMRL lab produced SCB has already cleared the certification process now actual blades from production facility is under certification by CEMILAC. Bt we don't know the temp tolerance of this SCB as of yet and whether it will be good enough to be put in AL series engine of SU-30 MKI.


But you can find many posters in DFI insisting that it is the russians who have given us this SCB tech as part of the AL series engine deal for Su-30 MKI

You are cent percent correct.

It appears that, to over come this ToT blunder, we need to follow Chinese techniques i.e. reverse engineering ;)
 

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TOT is one of the biggest scams ever perpetrated on indian defence budgets,
Nobody transfers any critical tech, at best we would have been given assembly drawings and instructions to screw the bolt and some testing equipment to see whether what we have done is right or wrong.
But for this great TOT we often cough up a few billion extra dollars every year!!!!
No arms seller will transfer his hard earned tech to india for a few dollars more.
The same is the case with Su-30 MKi deep TOT.

because this sham called TOT is exposed when we could not find the right material for tejas radome to allow the radar to track for its full potential till now. If we have been given TOT on this material in SU-30 MKI deal , then why is the problem being encountered on tejas composite radome?


In the same way it is being reported in many sources that the Single crystal blade making facility that is being put up by Koraput HAL division for HAL is based on tech developed for kaveri engine SCB effort by DMRL which is being in the process of certification for batch production by CEMILAC as said by ADA Dg Tamilmani in a recent interview.

As the DMRL lab produced SCB has already cleared the certification process now actual blades from production facility is under certification by CEMILAC. Bt we don't know the temp tolerance of this SCB as of yet and whether it will be good enough to be put in AL series engine of SU-30 MKI.


But you can find many posters in DFI insisting that it is the russians who have given us this SCB tech as part of the AL series engine deal for Su-30 MKI
Even I used to think on similar lines but @p2prada corrected me. He gave some real-life use-cases for ToT & shared that there would have been no Tejas, if not for our system of demanding ToT since the beginning. He also gave some valid examples in Israel & S.Korea who demand & pay for ToT.
 
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[PDF]http://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/sme/en/documents/pdf/technology_transfer.pdf[PDF]

some excerpts from the pdf
companies with the capacity to effectively integrate new technology developed by others may require less assistance from the
transferor to incorporate the new technology and learn how to use it properly.
What i presume from the above statement is that for the TOT to be effective in our defence acquisitions we need to have a robust industrial base, it should be in a position to match with the standards of production, manufacturing units of the Transferor. we need to improve our qualities standards in almost all fields of engineering to acquire an effective TOT so that the exorbitant prices that we pay for it should not go in vain, as rightly explained by
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The TOT shouldn't just be signed for manufacturing drawings etc but it should include the technological know how, acquiring of IP rights, list of advanced machinery to be used, effective production planning methods to reduce the lead time etc also research info pertaining to manufacturing tech....
 

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