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I am losing hope in my own country, I never thought of it until I read a porki newspaper which told should Pakistan learn from India’s bullet train ambitions? And this video is a proof that congress are traitors openly while BJP are traitors in disguise. They launched a anti conversion law now innocents are becoming victims of it. They did demonetisation no black money returned, they divided India into Hindu-Muslim badly, they are selling India with bullet train and now hyperloop and maglev also.


They don’t communicate properly nor take any action thats why we saw so much protests for CAA, now farm bills etc. Everyone is atraitor, one openly shows it, while other hides it. And now he wants MAGLEV and Hyperloop to run in India as well with losses only.
Is it a sarcastic post or you are used to this kind of amateur and random posting? But one line from above struck my heart "divided India into Hindu-Muslim badly"

I want the Indian rice eating gullible Hindu population to be divided more on the perpetual demographic challenges. The social dilemma this country is currently facing, hence the economic burden is the exact outcome of shoving overdose of Secularism down into the common Hindus. So I want the society to divide more intellectually and resourcefully to prevent another 1947 in the future.

Ignore my reply if you are very much fond of reading from Porkis and having a judgement on India or having extensive secular and liberal credentials
 

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Is it a sarcastic post or you are used to this kind of amateur and random posting? But one line from above struck my heart "divided India into Hindu-Muslim badly"

I want the Indian rice eating gullible Hindu population to be divided more on the perpetual demographic challenges. The social dilemma this country is currently facing, hence the economic burden is the exact outcome of shoving overdose of Secularism down into the common Hindus. So I want the society to divide more intellectually and resourcefully to prevent another 1947 in the future.

Ignore my reply if you are very much fond of reading from Porkis and having a judgement on India or having extensive secular and liberal credentials
But I hate people getting killed of any religion by anyone, secularism is one thing but this hatred is growing more and more and it is hurting our images.
 

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I have a question particularly for those from the potato growing belt.

Has cold storage facility resulted in an increase in retail price of the humble potato, reduced quality as large traders keep pushing garbage quality stock to urban areas.

Who are the big players in the potato supply chain who continue shafting the poor consumer with high prices and horrible quality? I remember buying potato between Rs. 7-10 in 2010-11. Prices have continued to rise since, touching almost Rs. 60 this year.

How do we know the same model won't be applied to food grains, cereals, lentils once MSP procurement falls, all in the name of seasonal adjustment? Some of us can absorb a Rs. 3-5k hit to our monthly bills but what about the vulnerable sections?

We saw the great 'arhar dal' surge in 2015 where a handful of media reports doubled the price of 'arhar dal' overnight and Govt. simply wrung its palms in helplessness while people paid as much as Rs. 180-200/kilo.
 

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Read carefully what I wrote. It's per day per person.
$6 per day per person is Rs 240 in PPP or Rs 438 in exchange rates. Neither of the two amount is significant enough to put you into a middle class with purchasing power.Worst of all, in a typical Indian family of 4/5,usually there is just one earning family member.

It is sufficiently high as certain countries tend to prevent their citizens from purchasing vehicles. Singaporeans with living standards higher than many post industrial states have only 15% population with cars.
You partly correct with regards to government discouraging citizens from buying IC engine cars.The taxes may be high but the prices aren't. They are infact amongst the lowest in major economies. There are plethora of cars available between 2 to 5 lakhs.Yet still we see a small numbers of new vehicle registrations. This low car sale volume is largely due the fact that the population is just too poor to buy a car,secondly amongst those who can afford it,most do not having the confidence in their own economic prospects which is a function of the overall economic health of the country and therefore are reluctant to shell out from their savings or taking a loan.

The relationship between the performance of the automotive sector and steel,rubber,glass and financial sectors is well established and therefore many economist look at the performance of the auto sector to judge the overall performance of the economy. Therefore you might have seen in the news channels, the economist were sounding an alarm when the car sales slumped.

With regards to car ownership in Singapore, you should look at number of vehicles per 1000.For Singapore it's 170 and for India it is only 28.There is a correlation here, almost all well of countries have a high vehicles per capita and vice versa for poor ones.



Further, percentage of households with cars in India is rising. Certain countries may not be having a culture to keep cars too.
Indeed the number of households with cars is increasing, albeit very slowly...at this pace we might reach 100 cars per 1000 people only by 2050.
Almost all rich countries have a figure of more than 100 cars per 1000 people. Even the famed Netherlands which is known for it's cycling has 487 cars per 1000 people.

The trajectory of both the states I see is upwards throughout every field and way way better than world average. China is indeed an exceptional case for entire world, once nothing against Indonesia and now about to surpass Russia and Malaysia.

Here, India is gradually transiting in per capita income, poverty ratio, wealth, life expectancy, infant mortality, HDI, IHDI and so forth in other indicators to become an upper middle income economy while China transiting into a developed country.
There is no denial in the fact that things are moving upward in India, but much below the required pace.

We need a consistent 8% + growth for atleast a decade. This 5 % which has become a norm is simply not enough.
Nobody expected India to implement the same policies as seen in China, but what stopped the government to put it's best effort.For years they slept only to wake up when they realized the water level has risen over head.The kind of desperate effort the government is putting now should have been done years ago.
 

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The point is China exemplifies what a nation with an aspirational middle class looks like where as India exemplifies a nation with a struggling middle class who are barely on the bottom margin of the definition.

Besides China's economy is now roughly 6 times bigger than ours.
The Chinese economy is built on the backs of hundreds of millions of underpaid and overworked slaves contracted out of prisons, labor camps and factories. Big American companies pay a lot of money to the contractors of these "workers" (with the (CCP/PLA) associated contracting companies keeping the bulk of the profits). Yes there is a middle class also, but that is made up of CCP Han Chinese in cities. The minorities and massive numbers of political/religious prisoners that are hidden away in labor camps and factories work for free/sustenance wages. Often times the prisoners' organs are taken out and sold while they are still alive, and that also helps increase Chinese Communist government profits and Chinese GDP. The human trafficking of minorities (for under-age prostitution) also contributes to the Chinese GDP. And let's not forget the Chinese contribution to the narcotics business with fentanyl and other drugs, as well as the supplying of weapons to terrorists and totalitarian states.

The problem with presenting the shiny Chinese cities with wealthy Han businessmen as an example is that the dark underbelly of the Chinese economy remains hidden. Most large western corporations are complicit in this deception, because their large profits on expensive electronics and other goods come directly from Chinese slave labor.

This is not to imply that India doesn't have its own problems inherited from the past, just that Chinese Communist government is better at presenting a good image of itself due to it being a totalitarian state. Outsiders don't see the horrors committed on the minorities and political/religious prisoners by the Chinese totalitarian state; just the big shiny cities built from the profits from Chinese slave labor, organ-harvesting, human trafficking, narcotics/weapons sale (to terrorists/terrorist states), etc.
 

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The Chinese economy is built on the backs of hundreds of millions of underpaid and overworked slaves contracted out of prisons, labor camps and factories. Big American companies pay a lot of money to the contractors of these "workers" (with the (CCP/PLA) associated contracting companies keeping the bulk of the profits). Yes there is a middle class also, but that is made up of CCP Han Chinese in cities. The minorities and massive numbers of political/religious prisoners that are hidden away in labor camps and factories work for free/sustenance wages. Often times the prisoners' organs are taken out and sold while they are still alive, and that also helps increase Chinese Communist government profits and Chinese GDP. The human trafficking of minorities (for under-age prostitution) also contributes to the Chinese GDP. And let's not forget the Chinese contribution to the narcotics business with fentanyl and other drugs, as well as the supplying of weapons to terrorists and totalitarian states.

The problem with presenting the shiny Chinese cities with wealthy Han businessmen as an example is that the dark underbelly of the Chinese economy remains hidden. Most large western corporations are complicit in this deception, because their large profits on expensive electronics and other goods come directly from Chinese slave labor.

This is not to imply that India doesn't have its own problems inherited from the past, just that Chinese Communist government is better at presenting a good image of itself due to it being a totalitarian state. Outsiders don't see the horrors committed on the minorities and political/religious prisoners by the Chinese totalitarian state; just the big shiny cities built from the profits from Chinese slave labor, organ-harvesting, human trafficking, narcotics/weapons sale (to terrorists/terrorist states), etc.
Then you have Macau with vastly underreported financial dealings and money laundering besides fraud.

 

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$6 per day per person is Rs 240 in PPP or Rs 438 in exchange rates. Neither of the two amount is significant enough to put you into a middle class with purchasing power.Worst of all, in a typical Indian family of 4/5,usually there is just one earning family member.
Dude, 6$ per capita is income "per head". That makes the number of persons in a family irrelevant. In fact, if per capita income is 6$ per head, then a family with size of 6 is richer than family with size of 5 which is subsequently richer than a family with size 4.

So yes, 500 Rupees per day for Indian is well in middle class income group
 

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Then you have Macau with vastly underreported financial dealings and money laundering besides fraud.

This exiled Chinese businessman Guo Wengui also mentioned how Chinese Communist government launders money out of Hong Kong banks:
🔴 Exiled Chinese Billionaire's Accusations of China (w/ Guo Wengui & Kyle Bass) | RV Classics
Kyle Bass sits down with infamous Chinese businessman Guo Wengui, also known as known as “Miles Kwok,” to hear a series of shocking accusations and predictions revolving around the Chinese government. Kwok provides his perception of the backstory behind several recent high-profile news items, and touches on the Chinese government’s management of the economy. He also unfurls an alarming forecast about Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma. Filmed on October 5, 2018 at an undisclosed location.


This is the real reason for all of the Chinese Communist government's crackdowns there.
 

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  • The losses are primarily due to the theft of thousands of iPhones, allegedly looted from the unit during the violence, and damage caused to Wistron’s assembly line and factory equipment, the complaint said.
  • Hebbar said Wistron had contracted six subsidiary companies to hire 8,900 people for its Kolar unit.
    “Besides, the company had 1,200 permanent employees,”
  • “What we hear is that the company had made payments to the labour contractors, who delayed payments to the employees. This is being verified,” he said.
  • Condemning the two-hour violence, Karnataka labour minister Shivaram Hebbar said the damages caused to the company were unacceptable.

Now why do they hire "contract workers" from 3rd party firms? to escape Unionbaazi of course.

Whoever is responsible, Wistron being chindi, their labour company buds being chindi, or 0.5 front elements instigating the mob, what an avoidable clusterfuck.
 

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  • The losses are primarily due to the theft of thousands of iPhones, allegedly looted from the unit during the violence, and damage caused to Wistron’s assembly line and factory equipment, the complaint said.
  • Hebbar said Wistron had contracted six subsidiary companies to hire 8,900 people for its Kolar unit.
    “Besides, the company had 1,200 permanent employees,”
  • “What we hear is that the company had made payments to the labour contractors, who delayed payments to the employees. This is being verified,” he said.
  • Condemning the two-hour violence, Karnataka labour minister Shivaram Hebbar said the damages caused to the company were unacceptable.

Now why do they hire "contract workers" from 3rd party firms? to escape Unionbaazi of course.

Whoever is responsible, Wistron being chindi, their labour company buds being chindi, or 0.5 front elements instigating the mob, what an avoidable clusterfuck.
So the losses are around 440 crores.

In such scenarios what is the go to method to recover losses?
 

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So the losses are around 440 crores.

In such scenarios what is the go to method to recover losses?
I have no Idea, they however can recover some of the stolen iPhones, I mean you can't dispose so many chori ka maal iPhones fast, and Apple has special tracking tech for stolen iMaal.
Basically phone connects to internet and it gets locked an all because it is tagged by some serial number or MAC address maybe as stolen.

Maybe they can file cases on their labour contractor companies to pay them some money.

And above all there is always Insurance.

But overall this is bad for Optics.
inb4 opposition latches on to this and global media also to peddle a narrative.
 

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So the losses are around 440 crores.

In such scenarios what is the go to method to recover losses?
Ya'll Nibbiars wistron will simply say Tata to karnataka and will go to Tamil Naidu or Andhra Pardesh. 1,200 crores investment will simply go to other States.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars wistron will simply say Tata to karnataka and will go to Tamil Naidu or Andhra Pardesh.
They just setup the plant 2 years ago, to move from Karnataka will take another 5-6 years.
In any case they have Karnataka govt wanting to appease them now, so they will manage in Karnatak only.
However if they were spending those 1200 cr on expansion of this plant, they might as well spend that money on a plant in some other state.

Idk if it is Wistron or some other of these "Taiwanese OEM" companies, but from this year they have been scouting locations for factories in the south, thanks to PLI scheme.
 

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  • The losses are primarily due to the theft of thousands of iPhones, allegedly looted from the unit during the violence, and damage caused to Wistron’s assembly line and factory equipment, the complaint said.
  • Hebbar said Wistron had contracted six subsidiary companies to hire 8,900 people for its Kolar unit.
    “Besides, the company had 1,200 permanent employees,”
  • “What we hear is that the company had made payments to the labour contractors, who delayed payments to the employees. This is being verified,” he said.
  • Condemning the two-hour violence, Karnataka labour minister Shivaram Hebbar said the damages caused to the company were unacceptable.

Now why do they hire "contract workers" from 3rd party firms? to escape Unionbaazi of course.

Whoever is responsible, Wistron being chindi, their labour company buds being chindi, or 0.5 front elements instigating the mob, what an avoidable clusterfuck.
And people ask why India isnt attracting Manufacturers and why India isn't manufacturing based Economy. Kaise banega India Manufacturer if this kind chindi 0.5/union bazi drama will always happen. Now whatever iPhone and other mobile manufacturer who were moving to India from china will instead go to Vietnam. This union bazzi and labour drama will be highlighted by likes of BBC,Wapo etc. this will make what ever investment india might have received instead go to Vietnam. It is not hard to repeal a factory you just need to gather bunch of youth brainwash them to demand give local people job first and the company would instead runs away from that area. What happened to POSCO,Vedanta in odisha will happen to this as well.
 

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