Indian Counter Terror Operations Pictures & Discussions

[devhensh]

The way I see it is:

The gun's(or toy's) purpose is not to fire at the mob to cause casualties but to scare them away (for few seconds); there's a chance that the cop maybe overpowered by the mob and the gun/toy snatched from him - at which point it could be used to instantly kill the cop (if it were a real gun). Remember, the stone pelters don't ever carry guns.

Regarding your fear about the cop getting lynched by the mob, it's unlikely that that would happen. Because this operation (of snatching the stone pelter from behind) happens with the real cops in uniform being (literally) at a stone's throw from the mob. The cops in uniform close in quickly after the ring leader is nabbed. If it were a covert operation far away from the security force contingent then I agree that it absolutely has to be a real gun.

The job of the undercover cop here is just to 'detain' the ring leader for few seconds (& prevent his quick escape) before the cops in uniform run in to arrest him.

I am not saying that I am absolutely certain that it's a toy gun, but only that the use of toy gun would be perfectly rational, safe & effective.

I respect your and everyone else's opinion, but here is mine.......

No Cop in the world, will go into a hostile environment with a Toy sidearm. It's his last resort of self defence, if things go south. And Kashmir is definitely, one of the most hostile environment in the world. Especially today, when not only JK policemen , even their families are being targeted.

The stone pelting mobs can swell and get out of control pretty soon in Kashmir. A small mob of 50 can swell and become a mob of 500 soon and the cop may become isolated and away from reinforcement...The cop then has to reach his reinforcements and if required protect himself with his sidearm.....So the pistol is not to fire at the crowd, but for self defence as per me...Also, these crowds are sometimes so hostile that even Army Convoys with escorts find them difficult to handle and sometimes they have terrorists hidden/embedded...

Also i am trying to see the bigger picture....The JK DGP is removed after a recent fiasco as he is considered to be too soft ....Suddenly we start seeing these Proactive Israeli style tactics....So as per me they have trained/modelled this type of tactics on world famous Israeli Tactics...and the Israelis, definitely don't carry toy guns...

 

[devhensh]

My question is about quality not cost. In this situation when the cop is in mufti and infiltrating stone throwers why is he carrying something like this. Doesn't it make more sense to carry a cheap "burner" so that he is not held responsible even if it gets lost. Objective should be to scare so something that makes a lot of noise is good enough - even a desi kata will do and it will also help in keeping his identity secret. And besides the way the photo is taken the photo reporter was close by. Tells me this is probably a staged shot.

My opinion is that, Indian police forces don't use the tactics of "burner/ disposable" pistols..That is a Western Tactics.....As per me the Policeman will carry the most reliable and familiar pistol on such operations as it's his last resort, for defensive or offensive use.....That sidearm will be the standard issue to his group....and it's quite possible that a elite force like JK SOG has Berettas in abundance to issue them in big numbers for covert ops..

Even if we believe that it was a staged photo op, as suggested above....I think JK police will not risk use a Toy gun(in age of high resolution photography)...as once this becomes clear to the other side...it may become a big risk and liability to the police, instead of being a deterence....

 

[Craigs]

My opinion is that, Indian police forces don't use the tactics of "burner/ disposable" pistols..That is a Western Tactics.....As per me the Policeman will carry the most reliable and familiar pistol on such operations as it's his last resort, for defensive or offensive use.....That sidearm will be the standard issue to his group....and it's quite possible that a elite force like JK SOG has Berettas in abundance to issue them in big numbers for covert ops..

Even if we believe that it was a staged photo op, as suggested above....I think JK police will not risk use a Toy gun(in age of high resolution photography)...as once this becomes clear to the other side...it may become a big risk and liability to the police, instead of being a deterence....

If our cops can use Israeli tactics, then what is stopping them from carrying "burners" a la "western" cops. Anyway those from Mumbai will know that encounter specialists will always have such "burners".

 

[Mikesingh]

Army RR QRT . They wear black unifrom. CRPF uses Bulgarian Arsenal M1f41 rifles and not the Romanian AK in kashmir.

Right! This guy seems to be from the RR QRT. Not only the AK, the RR uses a mix of weapons like Tavors, Md.63/90, AR-M1, MP-9 PDW, Type 56, AKMS, INSAS LMG, MGL 40mm, Pistol 9mm 1A, Dragunovs etc!! Stocking, procurement of varieties of ammo, and spares, maintenance, training etc is quite a headache!

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

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[12arya]

@NeXoft007
@ezsasa
Much ado about nothing!! Apparently, it was a toy gun to scare away the rest of the crowd while they nabbed the key culprits.
(Not sure why the newspapers have revealed that it was a toy gun - next time the fellow stone pelters might try to rescue their ring leader!)

indian presstitutes doing their bit for the innocent stone pelters!!!!

 

[Mikesingh]

Another terrorist killed today in Srinagar. Asif Nazir Dar from ISJK. However, it's not known who killed him. Someone from rival group or by soldiers in disguise. A pistol and two magazines were recovered.
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An RR QRT personnel can be seen in the pic. So not by a rival gang....unless I'm missing something here!

 

[NeXoft007]

An RR QRT personnel can be seen in the pic. So not by a rival gang....unless I'm missing something here!

They came later, after the incident happened.

 

[Mikesingh]

They came later, after the incident happened.

Hmmm...How come no one picked up the pistol and magazines or even his body before the RR arrived? No crowds? After all, his body was lying on the footpaths of Srinagar. Pretty Intriguing, what?

 

[sorcerer]

Terrorists' 'shelf life' reduced, over 360 killed in 2 yrs in J&K: CRPF DG

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...led-in-2-yrs-crpf-dg/articleshow/65741420.cms

Hmmm...How come no one picked up the pistol and magazines or even his body before the RR arrived? No crowds? After all, his body was lying on the footpaths of Srinagar. Pretty Intriguing, what?

Must be the fear of booby trap on the dead pig

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

Army During CT Ops

 

[Prashant12]

Three terrorists arrested.

 

[NeXoft007]

Hmmm...How come no one picked up the pistol and magazines or even his body before the RR arrived? No crowds? After all, his body was lying on the footpaths of Srinagar. Pretty Intriguing, what?

Well, I guess nobody saw him carrying a pistol under his pants.

 

[Mikesingh]

Well, I guess nobody saw him carrying a pistol under his pants.

So under his pants he had a pistol and a gun,
One for firing.
The other for fun!! :biggrin2:

 

[12arya]

Three terrorists arrested.

kill them immediately....why waste money and resources by arresting these pigs. later jihadis/lefties will turn them into heroes.

 

[Flame Thrower]

kill them immediately....why waste money and resources by arresting these pigs. later jihadis/lefties will turn them into heroes.

No, we need propaganda as well.

If the news of terrorist surrender spreads and happens frequently, then more terrorists will surrender without a fight, thus saving some of brave soldier's lives.

This also serves as kind of shield (in the international forums) when there is news of IA pressing issues harder.

Major Gogoi incident had become issue in Kashmir and India, but no one spoke about it in UN or UN didn't demand explanation for such actions.

 

[12arya]

If the news of terrorist surrender spreads and happens frequently, then more terrorists will surrender without a fight, thus saving some of brave soldier's lives

if it helps our soldiers im all for it. i do not want these pigs to b turned into over night heroes; that's all. if they r willing to go into rehabilitation and work for a living and stop the anti India drivel, then i fully support it.

but we get the opposite of anything positive mostly.

 

[12arya]

what a beautiful photo!!!!

@Unknowncommando 2 buddy great pics as usual.

 

[rone]

what a beautiful photo!!!!

@Unknowncommando 2 buddy great pics as usual.

snow tigers ... killer looks guys nice one

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

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