Indian Counter Terror Operations Pictures & Discussions

[Immanuel]

Operations in civilian areas must be quick and precise to eliminate the threat immediately and to control the collateral damage. What we witnessed on the scene was just the opposite. On top of that it is no longer a secret that our defence forces can not fight at dusk.

Puts serious Q mark over the tactics and efficacy of our defence forces.

Sorry, completely disagree here, IA always has run the most innovative tactics. Ops in civil areas are never easy, the enemy are well trained shock jihadis mostly from the BAT teams, they are known to put up extensive booby traps and cleverly shift fields of fire. IA will not use extensive force such as Attack helos to take down bunkers, this goes counter to IA's basic COIN philosophy. BMPs were used since the bunkers are fortified quite heavily. RR and other forces in the areas are working extensively with thermal images and night vision. We need more to be done in the areas of technology, specially better monitoring of the fences. Things will get better.

Also in civil areas, while initial troops keep the enemy contained, the area is evacuated of all civilians as much as possible.

 

[cobra commando]

Army personnel take position after the suicide attack by militants at Mohura Army camp in Uri on Friday. (PTI Photo)

 

[indiatester]

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[ghost]

 

[ghost]

Some para sf men are using STS(switch to side mount) with either magnifier scope or night scope along with standard mars red dot sights.

 

[ghost]

SOG:cool2:

 

[abingdonboy]

Some para sf men are using STS(switch to side mount) with either magnifier scope or night scope along with standard mars red dot sights.

Which of the operators are using STS? I can't see any of them with that.

 

[ghost]

Which of the operators are using STS? I can't see any of them with that.

Sir,

It's right in front of your eyes.Generally stf mount scope is used behind the reflex/red dot sight ,but here IA men are using it in front of mars sight.

The one who is holding patka in his hand.Check his tavor; sts mounted scope in front of mars sight is clearly visible.The one who is bending down and is wearing black gloves ,has switched his scope sideways,again clearly visible.

The one who is standing in front of dead bodies with his back towards us,check his tar 21.He has flipped his scope sideways .

Scope mounted on STS.

 

[sayareakd]

Which of the operators are using STS? I can't see any of them with that.

 

[ghost]

@abingdonboy sir,

Most probably you are assuming them to be tactical flash lights.

But due to their shape , size and the way they are mount they appear to be scope.They could be night sights.

@Ky Loung sir ,what do you think from these images:

 

[Ky Loung]

The prone position is very awkward. At the very least he should have hold the Dragunov near the front of the rifle with his support hand. I assume by the picture it an over watch area and provided protection to the assault group. He should have bought a bag or a bi-pod to support prone in the over watch area. He could use his buddy like a bag to support stabilize the rifle, ie have his buddy lay down in front of him and put the rifle his back for support.

Also where is the rifle sling? It should be part of the rifle especially a marksman rifle. Poper use of the sling help stabilize the rifle in any position.

 

[abingdonboy]

The prone position is very awkward. At the very least he should have hold the Dragunov near the front of the rifle with his support hand. I assume by the picture it an over watch area and provided protection to the assault group. He should have bought a bag or a bi-pod to support prone in the over watch area. He could use his buddy like a bag to support stabilize the rifle, ie have his buddy lay down in front of him and put the rifle his back for support.

Also where is the rifle sling? It should be part of the rifle especially a marksman rifle. Poper use of the sling help stabilize the rifle in any position.

All true but really the Drugnov should have a bipod like, say, the M-14 marksmen variants but sadly it doesn't.

 

[abingdonboy]

@abingdonboy sir,

Most probably you are assuming them to be tactical flash lights.

But due to their shape , size and the way they are mount they appear to be scope.They could be night sights.

@Ky Loung sir ,what do you think from these images:

Ah I see, I am pretty convinced they are tactical flashlights, you wouldn't see image intensifiers this far foreward usually and I have seen SF with flashlights on their Tavors. Only seen MARCOs with STS on their Tavors so far.

 

[abingdonboy]

Sir,

It's right in front of your eyes.Generally stf mount scope is used behind the reflex/red dot sight ,but here IA men are using it in front of mars sight.

The one who is holding patka in his hand.Check his tavor; sts mounted scope in front of mars sight is clearly visible.The one who is bending down and is wearing black gloves ,has switched his scope sideways,again clearly visible.

The one who is standing in front of dead bodies with his back towards us,check his tar 21.He has flipped his scope sideways .

Scope mounted on STS.

All flashlights IMHO bro.

 

[elite member]

That was really a sucessfull operation for the terrorist ,they manged to kill second in command of an artillery reg

 

[ghost]

A soldier should be a perfect combination of Man,Machine and nature to prevail over others in the battle field.

Man:trained,motivated, strong will with great skills.

Machine:To use all the available technology to extract maximum advantage and get a upper-hand on a battlefield.

Nature :To be able to adapt ,sustain and use the nature for your own advantage in a battle.

This photo depicts how you can overcome odds when all three man,machine and nature work in harmony .

Sadly our forces are always seen lacking in machines.

Anything which add even 1% chance to your success; especially when it's matter of life and death should be adopted.

Regarding the current attack there were many things which could have been utilized .

When the first QRT was responding their gypsy was ambushed, as a result of which soldiers and officer died.I feel for QRT we should use ambush and mine protected light all terrain vehicle such as above.These will not only provide quick access to all areas because of their size,but protection from ambush and bombs which are expected when you are responding to an attack.These vehicle with their sensors and RCWS will not only provide a safe medium of transportation but also an "offensive platform" to our soldiers.These vehicles are weapons unto themselves and would be of great help in suppressing and eliminating terrorist.

There is also a requirement for light anti material rifle in RR inventory.When you are deployed in an over-watch position overlooking the operational ground of action,there is nothing better than a .50 caliber light sniper rifle for providing covering fire and eliminating attackers over a long range.The psychological impact of a .50 caliber sniper on hunt cannot be denied.

A mission control observation helicopter flying overhead ,with commander who will be receiving live feed of the area of operation through various high end sensors.This will help the commander to detect the enemy and provide useful update and directions to the ground based tactical units."Eye in the sky" is the need of the hour!

Air cover through a minigun mounted on a chopper will provide overwhelming supressive fire-power ,along with a tactical backup and psychological effect on terrorist.

This is the gear which should be standard at-least for QRT, ballistic helmet with communication gear,night vision goggles,better modular bullet proof vest,knee and elbow pads , modular assault rifle with all kind of sights ,laser and optics.Plus a standard side arm.

Bren LMG is good but all good things come to an end someday,I think it's time for more lighter,modular LMG with more supressive firepower.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

CAG questions army's purchase of Rakshak vehicles

The new Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) report on the army's purchase of bulletproof vehicles illustrates many of the pitfalls that plague defence procurement. CAG Report No CA 4 of 2008 (Defence Services), which was tabled in parliament on Thursday, examines the MoD's Rs 35.76 crore purchase of 200 Rakshak vehicles in 2005, and 9 armoured Scorpios in 2007, which protect military commanders while they drive around J&K.

The report concludes that both purchases were unnecessarily hurried, saddling the army with underpowered Rakshaks, which perform so sluggishly that they endanger the lives of the soldiers that they are meant to safeguard.

The report observes, "Audit examination disclosed that in both the cases, the procurement process was non-competitive, technical trials were diluted by waiving requirements that compromised the quality of the vehicles."

With the CAG, the army, and MDS itself in agreement that the Rakshak vehicles are underpowered, the obvious question is: what procedures were violated? Business Standard is in possession of the MoD's Request for Proposals (RFP), in which it laid down the performance it wanted from the vehicle. Two years of army trials conclusively established that the Rakshak met those specifications.

Clearly, what failed was not the Rakshak. Instead, as the CAG report points out, the MoD's RFP itself was flawed, asking for a vehicle that would inevitably turn out to be underpowered, once bulletproof armour added to its weight. The RFP number 33(7)/2001-D(GS-IV), issued on 25th July 2001, stipulates that the vendors could not offer a new, more powerful vehicle. The vehicle had to be in service with the military.

The CEO of MDS, Brigadier Khutab Hai, is emphatic that the army was given exactly what it asked for, explaining, "During two years of trials, the Rakshak met every parameter spelt out in the MoD's RFP. If the MoD wanted higher specifications, or a more powerful vehicle, we could easily have provided that. But the RFP bound us to an in-service vehicle."

The RFP is a vital first step in any defence procurement, laying down what the vendors must provide. Thereafter, the winner of the contract is not the best product on offer; according to the current "L-1 tender" system, the cheapest product that meets the GSQR must be bought for the military. In a hypothetical contest between a Maruti priced at 2 lakh rupees and a Mercedes priced at 2.5 lakhs, the Maruti must be bought if it has met the RFP in trials.

Even the army has tacitly acknowledged that the Rakshak RFP was flawed. For the next round of purchases of bulletproof vehicles, the army's Weapons and Equipment Directorate has written to the vendors asking for an upgraded vehicle, with more power, a smoother suspension and a better steering. When asked why it had complained about the 200 Rakshaks already bought, the army told the CAG that they were only "suggestions from users to improve efficiency".

Confused and unclear RFPs have elicited complaints from several vendors. In last year's performance audit on defence procurement, the CAG pointed out that RFPs often demand products that exist nowhere. The CAG highlighted many other cases where the MoD issues piece-meal RFPs, denying itself the economy of scale. An example is the on-going procurement of a family of over 8000 light vehicles. The MoD has issued an RFP for only 228 so far.

Vendors, both domestic and international, from the private and the public sectors, all complain that the MoD remains unequipped for defence procurement, its desks manned by officers who get posted out just as they begin to learn the ropes. A Group of Ministers (GoM) has recommended, in April 2000, creating a dedicated body for defence procurement. Last year the CAG reinforced that, recommending a specialist body of Acquisition Managers who could develop the expertise needed for smooth and judicious defence procurement.

Source : Broadsword: CAG questions army's purchase of Rakshak vehicles

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Their was always a superior platform like Marksman, Don`t understand why MOD went for rakshak ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

GRAPHIC >> LeT commander killed in Kashmir gunfight

Srinagar: A commander of the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) outfit was Sunday killed in a gun battle with security forces in Kupwara district of Jammu and Kashmir, officials said.Acting on specific information about militants, police from Handwara and army personnel from the 47, 21, and 9 Rashtriya Rifles launched a search operation in Sudal (Magam) village in Handwara Sunday morning, a police officer told here.The militants in hiding opened fire at the joint operation team.The security forces retaliated, during which the LeT militant – identified as divisional commander Abu Ukasha Afghani – was killed.

 

[abingdonboy]

A soldier should be a perfect combination of Man,Machine and nature to prevail over others in the battle field.

Man:trained,motivated, strong will with great skills.

Machine:To use all the available technology to extract maximum advantage and get a upper-hand on a battlefield.

Nature :To be able to adapt ,sustain and use the nature for your own advantage in a battle.


This photo depicts how you can overcome odds when all three man,machine and nature work in harmony .

Sadly our forces are always seen lacking in machines.

Anything which add even 1% chance to your success; especially when it's matter of life and death should be adopted.

Regarding the current attack there were many things which could have been utilized .

When the first QRT was responding their gypsy was ambushed, as a result of which soldiers and officer died.I feel for QRT we should use ambush and mine protected light all terrain vehicle such as above.These will not only provide quick access to all areas because of their size,but protection from ambush and bombs which are expected when you are responding to an attack.These vehicle with their sensors and RCWS will not only provide a safe medium of transportation but also an "offensive platform" to our soldiers.These vehicles are weapons unto themselves and would be of great help in suppressing and eliminating terrorist.

This is the gear which should be standard at-least for QRT, ballistic helmet with communication gear,night vision goggles,better modular bullet proof vest,knee and elbow pads , modular assault rifle with all kind of sights ,laser and optics.Plus a standard side arm.

Bren LMG is good but all good things come to an end someday,I think it's time for more lighter,modular LMG with more supressive firepower.

Bro, I agree the Indian Military needs to be upgraded on the whole especially when it comes to personal gear but I would have to point out a few things:


MPV used:

SF don't use Bren but the PKM:

Overwatch was provided by RR Snipers/marksmen:

The SFs have decent gear- Patak helmets (all RR have this), communication gear, bullet proof vests, Tavor assault rifles, optics (MARS sight has both a visible and IR laser built in also) etc etc

Yes there is a need to upgrade the QRTs and "regulars" but their personal equipment is getting better and better year on year:

The use of open top/unarmored gypsys needs to stop though that is inviting tragedy.

 

[abingdonboy]

+anyone notice the IA using new plate carriers during their recent exercise with the PLA?