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In our world we cannot risk solider lives so that someone can make money ..

We don`t have money to buy expensive jammers either, Nor enough man power or strategies on place for such issues ..

The only solution we do is law, And which has means to get the job done ..
It doesn't matter because advancement of technologies and your enemies don't care. The USA lost a war not because we got outplayed in the battlefield. We lost the war due to new technology and our enemies understand it better then us. You do not want that to happen. You do not want to learn the hard way like we did in Vietnam. You do not want to lose a war because of the media.

Our Generals take classes on how to deal with the media. We have military people trained to deal with the media. Our military understand and know how to take advantage of the media and social networks.

We have technology now that make everyone a news cameraman or photographer. All smart phones all have a camera and video camera. Smart phone have the ability to stream live from anywhere in the world have the infrastructure to support it. That means anybody with a smart phone can be a journalists. You can't stop it. You need to understand how to deal with it.

A recent example is when our SEAL killed Osama Bin Laden. Citizens in the general location of the attack was twitting over the internet what was happening in the compound. If they had video cameras and the infrastructure to broadcast it they would have done it.

I'll leave you with this. SAS mounting an attack and the world saw it live. It solidified the SAS as the top dog. Keep in mind the press media broadcast live when the first group of SAS arrived in civilian clothing to the end of the attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKi5AvTbYBM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI3HY7g0MDU

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Russian sniper rifle Dragunov comes with cheek guard



so that he can easily rest his cheek, that will help him to easily get view of the scope.

US marine doing the same

Russian sniper rifle Dragunov comes with cheek guard



so that he can easily rest his cheek, that will help him to easily get view of the scope.

US marine doing the same

The Marine is holding it wrong. Bring in the military or police does not make them marksman or expert in firearms. US Marines and Soldiers shoot around 2k rounds in basic training. When I was active in shooting, I shoot 2k in two days or less. As for the police they miss 80% of their shots.

http://loadoutroom.com/12077/fbi-going-9mm-comes-science/]The FBI is Going 9mm: Here Comes the Science | The Loadout Room[/url]

The proper way is shown in this picture below, part of US military basic handling of rifle. A lot of people around the world think we have the best trained troops and we do compare to other nations. However they pale in comparison to the civilian sector in regards to marksmanship. The US general military marksmanship is not good but it still way better than other nations.



Four Fundamentals of Marksmanship (ArmyStudyGuide.com)
 

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There is one fundamental difference between American and indian military. Ours are fought with in our own backyard in the midst of our own people, Americans fight in a different continent altogether. When fight happens far away chances of local media hounding become slightly less.

In this uri episode, closest example can be a swat op in an American perspective.
@Ky Loung maybe you can compare both in terms of media coverage and give us a perspective.
 
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There is one fundamental difference between American and indian military. Ours are fought with in our own backyard in the midst of our own people, Americans fight in a different continent altogether. When fight happens far away chances of local media hounding become slightly less.

In this uri episode, closest example can be a swat op in an American perspective.
@Ky Loung maybe you can compare both in terms of media coverage and give us a perspective.
Technology goes beyond boarders and cultures. You can't stop it. Lets look back at Osama hit job. The only reason the world knew about the SEAL operation going on was from the the local citizens in Pakistan twitting right when the attack started. If they have the infrastructure these Pakistan citizens would have broadcasted live over the internet using their smart phones. Twitter have become the world up to date news source because everybody is a citizen journalist now.

https://twitter.com/?lang=en

In the USA almost everybody have a smart phone. So everyone carry a camera and video camera on them. These small phones have the ability to stream live over the internet. In other words no one in the USA have privacy outside of their home. It is not the government pointing the camera at us it is the citizens pointing the camera at them.

If you can't deal with these kind of issues just wait until every countrymen in India have a smart phone. If the government and military can't deal with the media and social media, well you're in real trouble entering a hot war. Your enemy will more then happy to turn your people against each other just like the Vietcong did to the USA. Basically the citizen of India, Government, and military must learn how to play the information game. Learn it now or learn it the hard way.
 
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Nothing wrong with the way this guy holds the Dragunov, its a stable position, one that is mastered with experience and its obvious he has great experience using it, probably got some kills on it too. He is completely at ease with his position and grip is steady.
It is not a stable position. In fact it is a real bad way of holding a rifle. You can get away with holding onto the magwell in a subgun because the barrel length is short. You can't do it for a carbine or rifle. You must support the rifle up front; support hand, sling, bipod, sandbag, backpack, another human being, etc. It basic 101 marksmanship.

Here is a video of some of the best marksman in the world. Notice how they use the sling and their support hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxsr1Gz_5SU



Proper Prone Position. US military.

CMP - First Shot Online!



 
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May be that he could be adjusting the rifle at the exact moment the pic was taken,and the butt moved a lil bit in the wrong spot. If you see how the guy's left hand being used, there is high likelihood of that guy had to readjust every so often. Not a good stance for sniping.

Can we just move on !!!!
 

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Nothing wrong with the way this guy holds the Dragunov, its a stable position, one that is mastered with experience and its obvious he has great experience using it, probably got some kills on it too. He is completely at ease with his position and grip is steady.
yeah i was also thinking on same line, he is completely balance and at ease. May the angle of his sniper rifle, that was my first thought, but it was hill and mountain area. That is why that angle. That is why the question.

Speaking of kills by sniper, lately most of the dead terrorists pics i say since 2008 had mostly head single shot, those are all sniper kills.
 

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RECOGNISE US WHEN WE'RE ALIVE--EPISODE OF FORGOTTEN HEROS OF INDIA

Anil Raina documents the life of the Indian soldier in Lolab,


In 1989, when the Kashmir valley started burning, every attack by militants and a counter-offensive by Indian forces made front-page news across the country. Nineteen years on, the death of one or two militants or a handful of soldiers in an encounter is no longer highlighted a great deal, unless of course the number of victims is spectacularly high.
In July 2007, I visited a militants' camp in north Kashmir to see for myself how militants were still active and organised there. Their planning and resolve were evident. What of those who were fighting the militants 24x7, I then asked myself. What were the conditions they were living under? What were the facilities and equipment they were provided with to take on the militants? What were their preparations like, and what about their planning and sense of organisation in the task of protecting the Indian nation-state?
Experiencing and documenting the life of soldiers in this conflict zone was important, I felt, and asked my editor if I could go ahead with the story. Once I had obtained assent, I wrote to the Ministry of Defence for permission for this feature. The Ministry did a thorough check on my credentials and asked me for a letter from my editor saying I was indeed working on the story. Once the letter was in, they granted permission but on two conditions: I couldn't go anywhere near the Line of Control (LoC) and could not film anything. I could take still pictures, however.
When I was asked which place I'd like to go to, I instantly chose Lolab, a valley within a valley. Lolab is beautiful, 92 kms from Srinagar, and 15 kms from the LoC. Most importantly, it is known as a launch pad for foreign mercenaries. They enter Kupwara sector, in which Lolab is located, from the LoC and from Lolab disperse to other areas of J&K. Counter-insurgency forces are therefore at their most alert here, and there is "action" almost every day.

DAY 1 AND 2

I took a taxi from Srinagar early on Nov 29 and reached the headquarters of Sector 8 of Rashtriya Rifles (RR) in Charkot, Lolab, late afternoon. RR is the counter-insurgency force that fights "the internal war" in J&K; it has nothing to do with LoC, according to Defence PRO Lt Col A K Mathur. RR was carved out of various divisions in the Army and has 24,000 members in all. Here, I met Brigadier Devendra Kapoor and told him I wanted to go to Chandigaam, 10 kms to the north and a hub for foreign mercenaries. Brigadier Kapoor said that was fine and asked his colleague, Lt Col Balbir Singh, to take me there. Before I left he gave me a stern warning: "Don't move out of Chandigaam army camp without wearing a bullet-proof jacket and a helmet and without informing officials. The place is too sensitive."
In the evening, I was taken to unit 28 RR at Chandigaam and introduced to Lt Col Surinder Kumar Sharma, in-charge of the camp that has 120 soldiers. I stayed the night with Col Sharma and Major C S Pawan Kumar, his second-in-command, in their room.
At 5 am, I was woken up by Col Sharma and taken to the soldiers' mess, where they were having breakfast. After breakfast, most of them moved to a makeshift temple inside the camp. The temple has images of Gods of all religions, and jawans pray there every morning before starting work. One of the jawans I met there was Scout Bhupinder Singh, 27, originally from Himachal Pradesh. A Scout is one who leads the team during any patrol/search/encounter. He is supposed to fire first if the team is attacked and is fired upon first as well. He thus carries maximum risk and has to be alert and well-equipped always. Singh told me he always has to carry on his person an AK-47, 5 magazines, 50 spare rounds, an Under Barrel Grenade Launcher with six grenades, a bulletproof jacket and a bullet-proof helmet, and even dry fruits and rations, because an operation may go on for days on end.
When I asked him if he feared his high-risk position, he said, "In fact, I am proud of being a Scout as the best talent is chosen for this job." The only thing he rued, he said, was the fact that they did not have better dress to cope with the bitter cold -- it was -2 degree Celsius as we spoke -- or the kind of weapons US forces were given.
Singh told me he missed his three-month-old son, who was his parents and wife in Himachal. "The last time I saw him was when he was born. I don't know how he looks like now," he said.
At around 11 am, Col Sharma told me I could accompany his team on their daily 'Gasht,' that is, patrolling of Chandigaam village. The Gasht happens every day and sometimes, more than once a day, as militants often take shelter in houses either forcibly or with connivance of locals.
As we stepped out of the camp, I asked Col Sharma what he thought of his duty in J&K. "My duty is my religion," he said. All the jawans prayed together before they left the camp; they do this every time they go out or return to the camp.
Walking through the woods, he and his team began making casual enquiries with all the villagers they came across. Many locals were sitting on the verandah of their houses, and Col Sharma went up to them to ask how they were doing and to find out if they had seen any suspicious activity. One of the villagers he met, over 60 years old, was very angry. He told the Colonel his son, Mushtaq, 27, had been shot by militants four days ago. Mushtaq's sister too stepped forward and asked the Colonel: "Where was the Army when the militants shot my brother?" Col Sharma heard them out patiently and with empathy, assured them of all help and asked the elderly man to send Mushtaq's children to the Army Sadbhavna School in Chandigaam; he would ensure they got admission and a proper education, he said.
We returned to the camp by 5 pm, after having our lunch in the middle of the village, but this was not the end of the day's activities. In the night, I was told, we'd have to leave for an ambush.
I was asked to accompany the team in the night but was not told the exact place we were going to. All I knew was that it was going to be somewhere in the middle of a dense jungle. Before we left the camp, Col Sharma made it clear to me that I would have to walk alongside a soldier who'd be my buddy. I was not to leave him at any time. Every soldier has a 'buddy' in an ambush, who acts as his security blanket; if a soldier is fired upon, it's the buddy's responsibility to protect him.
It was pitch-dark as Subedar Hans Raj led a team of 30 jawans for the ambush out of the camp. How did the team find its way? Those at the front carried night-vision devices which could not be seen, I was told. I noticed that as we walked into the heart of the jungle, the soldiers walked almost without making any sound. After two hours of non-stop walking, I was asked to squat at one spot: here, the team would wait as they had information that militants entered Chandigaam from here. "If you hear any gunshot, just lie down on the ground and don't move," I was told. It was biting cold and scary, and I squatted there for fours hours flat, along with the other soldiers. Luckily for me, there was no firing that night; at dawn, we began our long walk back to the camp. I was dead tired, but the soldiers, trained to undergo such hardships for hours, still looked alert.
On our way back, I asked Subedar Hans Raj how the soldiers endured so much. "We are not afraid of hardships. I myself have been part of 8 encounters in the last one year. The soldier just hopes his efforts are recognised by his countrymen," he said.
Major Pawan Kumar, walking by his side, obliquely pointed to our fascination for the word Shaheed. "Please recognise us while we are alive, not only after we die," he said.

DAY 3

The next morning, I was taken to Shumirayal in the Army's special vehicle, Casper. Made in South Africa, Casper is the only vehicle used by the Army in this ultra-sensitive region. It is bomb-proof and bullet-proof and is described as the Army's "lifeline."
In Shumirayal, I was to spend a day with Major T E Daniel's unit, called the Road Opening Party. The unit is placed in a camp at the entrance to Lolab and is responsible for clearing the roads in the region so that Army vehicles can pass through. Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) can be planted anywhere along the path, so no Army vehicle moves till ROP has given its go-ahead. After a mammoth search every morning, the ROP's 100 members stay put at various intersections all day to ensure no new IEDs are strewn on the path.
Most of the ROP's members are Kashmiri locals who have joined the Territorial Army; many of them have earned the wrath of their community. One of them, Rifle Man Shaukat, told me, "I am scared to go back home to my family as my fellow villagers may think I have betrayed them. Last year, Rifle Man Abdul Latif, 24, was killed in his own house by militants just three days after his marriage. Now, whenever go home for holidays, we inform the nearest Army camp so they can increase patrolling in and around the village."
Shaukat said the salary they got was low and "not enough to feed our children;" their weapons too were not as sophisticated as those given to other Army units.
I asked them what changes they had seen in militant activity since '89, since they had seen it more closely than most others. "Earlier, militants moved freely in the Valley; now, the Army's presence is strong, so they have to be discreet," they said. I went along with the team early morning to see how they cleared the nearly 10-km-long stretch. They checked every nook and corner and even searched through the dense foliage along the edges of the roads, leaving no chances. After having cleared the roads, they guarded the stretch throughout the day and returned to camp late evening.

DAY 4

I was taken to the company headquarters of 28 RR (one Sector has several companies), where all Majors of the unit were present. Here I met Major Sachin Sharma, who is from Jabalpur. A graduate from the Indian Military Academy, Dehradun, Major Sachin is known as a daredevil officer of the Putshahi unit in Lolab. His codename is Romeo and Aashiq because he loves to "chase" militants.
"I will be the first to set foot on the battlefield and the last to leave it," he said. He has been part of many encounters and has killed a large number of militants in the one-and-a-half years he has been in Lolab; he was earlier posted at Siachen, the world's highest battlefield.
"Sometimes, I am on an ambush for days, wearing the same uniform and eating food packed days earlier, searching for militants and taking them on," Sachin said.
There is also a light-hearted side to him. He is a "great fan" of Lara Dutta and has collected several pictures of her. Realising I'd go back to Mumbai to file my story, Mjr Sachin handed me his photograph and requested me to get Lara Dutta to autograph it for him.
This light-heartedness perhaps helps him with his other responsibility, which is to help the jawans of 28 RR with stress management. Stress is one of the biggest issues facing jawans, because they have to live in inhospitable conditions and hostile weather and are on the alert 24x7.
I saw Sachin interacting with a number of soldiers who were either heading home on leave or had just returned from leave. I asked him what were the major problems they faced. "Prolonged separation from family members and conflicts within the family are things that worry them the most," he said. When I asked what he did to help them tackle these issues, he said, "Whenever we find out a soldier has such problems, we grant him leave immediately. We also talk to him like friends. That gives them confidence and reassurance." The Army has also provided telephones in every unit to enable jawans to be constantly in touch with their families, he said.

DAY 5

I am taken to a dense jungle, where the jawans do firing practice once in a week. They are sent in batches here, and each jawan takes aim at a target for a few minutes. One hour after arduous practice, the jawans sit down for lunch. I am sitting next to Rifle Man Vikas Gurang. Gurang was in Assam before he was posted here more than a year ago. I ask him how the militancy in the two states is different. He says, "Militants have more local support here than in Assam; there, they mostly carry out IED blasts and are into extortion. In Kashmir, militants fire at the Army with the latest weapons. We have to keep our service weapons close to us here even when we are sleeping, because one never knows when our camp will be attacked."
Gurang complained that the counter-insurgency allowance they were given (Rs 1,700) was inadequate, and even when they went home on holidays, they weren't allowed to take more than Rs 10,000 for their families.
What he said next was perhaps the most disturbing. "We never know when leave will be granted to us. Whenever it is, we immediately pack our bags and head homewards. We don't get enough time for 'reservation' of railway tickets, so many of us take a ticket in the unreserved compartment and sit near the toilet
or any corner. But we are often thrown out of the train by rowdy passengers, and sometimes, we are also robbed in the middle of the night. It is at such moments that we think: are these the same people we are fighting and sacrificing ourselves for?"

DAY 6

Before leaving for Srinagar, I meet Major Dagwal, commando of paratroopers, at Charkot. A commando is one who is dropped by Army helicopters into jungles to trace and wipe out militants. Dagwal has just returned from a 72-hour ambush in which he gunned down several militants. Isn't he afraid of all the action? "No. In fact I volunteered to be a commando," he points out. Dagwal regrets the fact that he will soon have to leave the Valley for Lebanon, where he has to be part of a peace-keeping force. After speaking to him, I bid goodbye to all the jawans and reach Srinagar late evening. At the Army headquarters, Col Mathur sums up the jawan's situation: "He has to fight anti-national elements who have taken shelter among the innocent local population. He also has to act against his own countrymen who may have been misguided by militants. But his salary is too meagre to help him meet his social obligations and maintain a respectable standard of living."

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Lt Col S K Sharma, in-charge of Chandigaam camp of 120 soldiers, offers a toffee to a local boy during his Gasht (patrolling) of the area that sees frequent encounters between the Army and militants



All Armymen pray before they leave their camp for an operation. Seen here is Major Sachin Sharma of the Putshahi unit in Lolab, known as a daredevil officer
 

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It is not a stable position. In fact it is a real bad way of holding a rifle. You can get away with holding onto the magwell in a subgun because the barrel length is short. You can't do it for a carbine or rifle. You must support the rifle up front; support hand, sling, bipod, sandbag, backpack, another human being, etc. It basic 101 marksmanship.

Here is a video of some of the best marksman in the world. Notice how they use the sling and their support hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxsr1Gz_5SU



Proper Prone Position. US military.

CMP - First Shot Online!



Sorry but most of what you said are under ideal conditions, the game is entirely different in real life while facing indiscreminate fire from suicidal jihadis. You also start this whole discussion at the basis that these guys don't know what they are doing, sorry but India still has some of the finest marksmen in the army, the average accuracy rates are far higher and the way IA engages the enemy is certainly not spray and pray as seen so often in you tube helmet videos of US and other forces randonmly throwing down fire. Snipers undergo rigorous training. Every infantry man in the army is a very good marksmen. They are trained in various positions of holding their rifles. The best stances of holding a rifle are the ones which allow the shooter to have relaxed muscles and steady breathing.
 

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I think it is time to give Go-pro type cameras to the front line CT ops. Army can release the footage after necessary screening.
 
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