Indian Counter Terror Operations Pictures & Discussions

[ghost]

@abingdonboy sir,

I know but I feel there is "a huge room" for improvement.

MPV used:

1 First see the size of this MPV ,is it good for most of the gullies,narrow roads,villages and other cramped up places?no.Hence the need of lighter smaller armored vehicle.

2 Can you see any sensor mounted over this MPV?no.Like thermal imager, daylight camera , laser rangefinder and Gunshot Localization System etc etc.

3 There is no RCWS gun,automated grenade launcher which will convert the MPV into a dangerous weapon system in itself.

4 Does it have an active protection system from RPG and other rocket launchers?no.

SF don't use Bren but the PKM:

I know Marcos and Garud use negav while Para SF is still with PKM.I was talking about RR and QRT,bren lmg weight,size,small magazine make it a no-no for modern battlefield,where most of the combat is cqb.

Overwatch was provided by RR Snipers/marksmen:

You know the difference between a dragonuv and a light anti material rifle of .50 caliber.

The SFs have decent gear- Patak helmets (all RR have this), communication gear, bullet proof vests, Tavor assault rifles, optics (MARS sight has both a visible and IR laser built in also) etc etc

There is a difference between decent and very good,I want it to be best possible .

1 Patka helmet are good,but why hasn't it been developed further.Where is the integrated communication gear,where is the rails to mount NVG,friend and foe sensors and other accessories .Plus even though it provide good frontal protection and decent circumference protection,it does not provide"any" protection to the top of your head.In case of bomb splinters if you duck you are in danger of getting hit on the exposed top part.

Yes there is a need to upgrade the QRTs and "regulars" but their personal equipment is getting better and better year on year:

Why is it getting better at such a snail pace?A country with size of India,with economy such as India should be able to provide the best out there to its elite soldiers who are in a battle on daily basis.Who is stopping them,why is comfort,protection and needs of soldiers always looked down in this country?Good sights and optics on RR qrt is still a rare sight,standard NVG for qrt seem like a distant dream.

The use of open top/unarmored gypsys needs to stop though that is inviting tragedy.

See this is what I fail to understand!You also know that with all the system available out there we can increase the firepower,protection,survival of our troops,these things can provide them with a much needed upper hand.So,Why should we wait for tomorrow? Why don't we start from today,as our soldiers are in harm's way today !We should aim for zero loss of our soldiers,and should provide them with whatever help us in achieving this.

I don't want terrorist to be engaged in firefight,I wan't them to be owned,annihilated,dominated !Our forces still make room entry through soldiers,I think track bot should lead the way.

IMHO The BPV and other gear was bought in small numbers through Army Commander Special Financial Power.BPV could have been better,I really liked the elbow and knee pad along with pistol holster.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Operation MOHURA

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[Kunal Biswas]

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[Ky Loung]

@abingdonboy sir,

Most probably you are assuming them to be tactical flash lights.

But due to their shape , size and the way they are mount they appear to be scope.They could be night sights.

@Ky Loung sir ,what do you think from these images:

After looking at all the images it looks like the media got full access to the military operation. It's a photo ops and there is nothing wrong with it. However the military should exert some controls over the photos through written agreements to protect the identity of special operators.

The troops carry Tavor with lights mounted on the front and Eotech as their optic. Standard stuffs.

The optic behind the Eotech is called a magnifier. It is not a scope because it do not have a reticle. It design to magnifies the primary optic which in this case is the Eotech.

Pictures on how it look through an Eotech.
https://www.google.com/search?q=eot...KyoQTFq4KABA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1024&bih=496

Eotech magnifier.
https://www.google.com/search?q=eot...la:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

 

[Ky Loung]

Very nice photo. Use the picture as recruitment posters.

 

[prohumanity]

I salute to our jawans.....great sons and daughters of Mother India.

 

[abingdonboy]

After looking at all the images it looks like the media got full access to the military operation. It's a photo ops and there is nothing wrong with it. However the military should exert some controls over the photos through written agreements to protect the identity of special operators.

Very true. But what do you expect from the Indian media who are chasing ratings/clicks? These are the same fools who got NSG operators and hostages killed by reporting live during 26/11.

 

[AshutoshNSingh]

The prone position is very awkward. At the very least he should have hold the Dragunov near the front of the rifle with his support hand. I assume by the picture it an over watch area and provided protection to the assault group. He should have bought a bag or a bi-pod to support prone in the over watch area. He could use his buddy like a bag to support stabilize the rifle, ie have his buddy lay down in front of him and put the rifle his back for support.

Also where is the rifle sling? It should be part of the rifle especially a marksman rifle. Poper use of the sling help stabilize the rifle in any position.

As Lt Gen HS Panag (R) says, our army has no snipers but only shooters!!

 

[cobra commando]

 

[cobra commando]

 

[Ky Loung]

As Lt Gen HS Panag (R) says, our army has no snipers but only shooters!!

A decent shooter will not hold the rifle prone position like the one in picture. The more I look at the picture the more it look like the soldier is posing for the camera instead of doing his job.

This is the picture you want to put out to the public. A soldier combat ready looking for his prey and ready for action. It is a very good picture to show to the public.

This picture is also good because it show them in action.

However this picture is just plain silly. After looking at it many times, I'm now 100% sure he just posing for the camera.

If you're going let public photographers into a military operation, make sure you tell all the troops to look good in front of the camera and not make a fool of themselves.

Here is an Arfcom picture of US Special Operators from by gone years to modern days. Some taken personally others from professional photographers. The US really good at making us look good even when we screwed up.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1551818_Spec_Ops_Pic_Thread.html

 

[Ky Loung]

Very true. But what do you expect from the Indian media who are chasing ratings/clicks? These are the same fools who got NSG operators and hostages killed by reporting live during 26/11.

That's what they do. That's how they make their money. They are doing their jobs. To think otherwise is naive. We're in the 21st century not the middle ages.

The US military in the 60's at the start of mass media had a really hard time with our media outlets. The Vietnam War started and the first time the public saw war live in their living room. The US military lacked experience dealing with them and got punish for it. Fast forward to the First Gulf War and it a whole different story. Instead of the media criticizing our military, the public/world saw the US military kicking ass. Then in the second Gulf War we allow the media embedded into the combat troops with off course written agreement what can be shown.

The modern world is 24/7 news everywhere. From internet to newspapers to TV, it is everywhere. Criticizing it is just plain stupid IMO. It not like you're going to stop it if you make laws. The energy is better spent figuring how to integrate your message into the mass media. The US military/police had no choice it had to figure out how to deal with modern media because our constitution protect the press from the government.

This type of stuff is not an issue in Western world, not in the USA anyway. Sure you got a few people going to Bitch about it but within a day no one cares or even remember the military operation.

In conclusion I personally think the IA is in a long learning process on how to deal with the media like the US did back in the 60's. They still got a long way to go but at least it a start. Don't be too judgmental on India media or IA in regards to this operation. It's still a learning process. Just make sure to tell the troops to look good when photographers are taking pictures.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

In our world we cannot risk solider lives so that someone can make money ..

We don`t have money to buy expensive jammers either, Nor enough man power or strategies on place for such issues ..

The only solution we do is law, And which has means to get the job done ..

That's what they do. That's how they make their money. They are doing their jobs. To think otherwise is naive. We're in the 21st century not the middle ages..

 

[sayareakd]

However this picture is just plain silly. After looking at it many times, I'm now 100% sure he just posing for the camera.

If you're going let public photographers into a military operation, make sure you tell all the troops to look good in front of the camera and not make a fool of themselves.

Here is an Arfcom picture of US Special Operators from by gone years to modern days. Some taken personally others from professional photographers. The US really good at making us look good even when we screwed up.
Spec Ops Pic Thread - AR15.COM

what is wrong with the pic ?

 

[indiatester]

what is wrong with the pic ?

I thought that the way butt of the rifle was placed could cause injury? (Pure guess based on my physics. Never fired any firearm in my life)

 

[Spindrift]

what is wrong with the pic ?

The soldier in this pic has a red cross symbol on his head gear, and i guess that he probably is a medic. And a medic with a sniper rifle does not make sense.

 

[sayareakd]

The soldier in this pic has a red cross symbol on his head gear, and i guess that he probably is a medic. And a medic with a sniper rifle does not make sense.

i think that is glowing patch for friend identification system, US soldiers too use it.

 

[sayareakd]

I thought that the way butt of the rifle was placed could cause injury? (Pure guess based on my physics. Never fired any firearm in my life)

Russian sniper rifle Dragunov comes with cheek guard

so that he can easily rest his cheek, that will help him to easily get view of the scope.

US marine doing the same

 

[elite member]

The soldier in this pic has a red cross symbol on his head gear, and i guess that he probably is a medic. And a medic with a sniper rifle does not make sense.

He is not a medevac & who sad they don't fight, in India the red cross sign is often abused ,every medical shop shows redcross .In this pic he has simply put red tape to make him visible to its buddy in lowlight ,some times they use small reflector on there patkas to avoid friendly fire.

 

[Immanuel]

what is wrong with the pic ?

Nothing wrong with the way this guy holds the Dragunov, its a stable position, one that is mastered with experience and its obvious he has great experience using it, probably got some kills on it too. He is completely at ease with his position and grip is steady.