Indian Counter Terror Operations Pictures & Discussions

[katiyarash]

Today's Garuda commandos sacrifice has given chance to the hawks which they were craving from a long time and not getting many this year..now are celebrating as got chance to attack the GOI..
Here she is mocking Major Poonia..

 

[rkhanna]

Unfortunate to see the losses on our side. That said, I guess our Garud force may need lot more exposure and change in tactics. The feedback during Pathankot was not too encouraging either.
Sorry to post this here and at this time.

Till a few months ago Para SF were also racking up a high body count. Didnt see anybody talk about their "exposures or tactics then". Garud's are not acting in a vaccume. They have had a LONG immersion program in JK before they went operational. Yes they have lots to of actual experience to gain (thats common sense) but stating lack of exposure due to this incident (which we know little about) is nonsensical. We do not know what happened or how it happened.

3 days ago USSF 5th SFG lost 4 operatives in an ambush in Niger. Were they also using bad tactics or had little exposure?

These boys are the tip of the spear. Sometimes the Tip draws blood. Sometimes it breaks. Its the nature of the of beast.

Lastly (and for the last time) I too have seen (first hand) feedback during Pathankhot. They were outstanding. a Flight of Garud. Held their ground and made initial contact and drove the Jihadis into non-essential part of the base. Then they folded and hardened their position around the capital assets which were NOT breached. That was their JOB. full stop.

 

[mayfair]

+108

Anyone dissing the Garud's for their performance at Pathankot is doing them a great disservice. They did an excellent job and prevented the tangos from perpetuating a huge disaster.

 

[Immanuel]

Unfortunate to see the losses on our side. That said, I guess our Garud force may need lot more exposure and change in tactics. The feedback during Pathankot was not too encouraging either.
Sorry to post this here and at this time.

Garuds were a very small team during Pathankot, one soldier died while preventing the pigs access to strategic areas of the base. He and his buddy were faced with heavy volume of fire and volley of grenades. One got injured while the other held his position till his last breath. They fought bravely. Keeping in mind the scale of the base and small numbers, they were instrumental in safe guarding key assets that night. Today's loss is hard to prevent, it can and does happen to the most well trained and experienced units.

RIP to the 2 men who made the supreme sacrifice, every loss is a painful reminder to get gear level up to modern standards. All units deployed in hostile areas need to be wearing BJPs, helmet/patkas at all times. Some team members should also be carrying shields. All convoys need to be armored including trucks, buses and light vehicles.These pigs can fire or lob grenades at anytime and it's often hard to predict their behaviour especially when they have elements on the ground supporting them providing info on troop movements.

This loss today needs to be looked into if it was preventable, hopefully they were wearing BJPs and other protective gear, if they weren't well then their death could have been avoidable. Every squad also needs to deploy Cornershots as well. Ingress into any potential hot zone needs to have atleast 1 netra style UAV doing intial recce from safe distances before any troops are sent in. These UAVs need to be deployed during the entire duration of the OP. Also armed bots need to be sent in first. Large numbers of bots and UAVs need to be deployed asap.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Guys,this is not the time to talk about tactics.

I can tell you that Garuds were under Para.So,the Para was deciding the tactics.

They were their to gain operation experience.

 

[IndiaRising]

Garuds were a very small team during Pathankot, one soldier died while preventing the pigs access to strategic areas of the base. He and his buddy were faced with heavy volume of fire and volley of grenades. One got injured while the other held his position till his last breath. They fought bravely. Keeping in mind the scale of the base and small numbers, they were instrumental in safe guarding key assets that night. Today's loss is hard to prevent, it can and does happen to the most well trained and experienced units.

RIP to the 2 men who made the supreme sacrifice, every loss is a painful reminder to get gear level up to modern standards. All units deployed in hostile areas need to be wearing BJPs, helmet/patkas at all times. Some team members should also be carrying shields. All convoys need to be armored including trucks, buses and light vehicles.These pigs can fire or lob grenades at anytime and it's often hard to predict their behaviour especially when they have elements on the ground supporting them providing info on troop movements.

This loss today needs to be looked into if it was preventable, hopefully they were wearing BJPs and other protective gear, if they weren't well then their death could have been avoidable. Every squad also needs to deploy Cornershots as well. Ingress into any potential hot zone needs to have atleast 1 netra style UAV doing intial recce from safe distances before any troops are sent in. These UAVs need to be deployed during the entire duration of the OP. Also armed bots need to be sent in first. Large numbers of bots and UAVs need to be deployed asap.

or how about taking the war to the enemy's land and raising the cost of misadventures? brave hearts continue to be martyred because of the lack of political will to take this warfare to the next level

 

[pankaj nema]

https://pakobserver.net/india-may-launch-misadventure-pakistan/

India may launch a misadventure against Pakistan

 

[sum1]

Today's Garuda commandos sacrifice has given chance to the hawks which they were craving from a long time and not getting many this year..now are celebrating as got chance to attack the GOI..
Here she is mocking Major Poonia..

Wtf is wrong with some people?

 

[aditya g]

Garuds coming in for COIN ops is good for the force. Losses are unfortunately necessary to build up the unit.

MARCOS have set a good precedent for Garuds to follow. I will later post some info on Marcos successes in Kashmir. These successes come with a price as well so let's not be dismayed by this incident.

2 more points;

- Garuds are clearly well equipped unit. The fatalities show that latest helmets, BPJs, sights etc are not enough.

- garuds could have walked away from pathankot and this encounter with kills instead of loosing their own men. This shows how difficult the job is and just how good 4SF, 9SF and MARCOS are.

1st pics of Garuds from today's encounter at Hajin kashmir.

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[rkhanna]

MARCOS have set a good precedent for Garuds to follow. I will later post some info on Marcos successes in Kashmir. These successes come with a price as well so let's not be dismayed by this incident.

MARCOS literally owns over 250+ sq kms of Lake Wullar and the surrounding region and the Jhelum river. A high inflitration point in the 90s was shut down effectively by them.

 

[Screambowl]

That said, I guess our Garud force may need lot more exposure and change in tactics.

So you'r saying Garuds are not capable and efficient enough to eliminate those pigs, who just walk into kashmir in salwar kameez or track suit with dry fruits and gun?

Even after so many years of establishment of the unit incapable? Then you are correct.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

They were trainees?
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They had completed the Garud probation.A Garud is a Garud!

They were attached to 9 Para to gain some operational experience.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

So you'r saying Garuds are not capable and efficient enough to eliminate those pigs, who just walk into kashmir in salwar kameez or track suit with dry fruits and gun?

Even after so many years of establishment of the unit incapable? Then you are correct.

You are understimating the training of the terrorists!

Let me ask you a question...if i give you a fully loaded AK in burst mode and ask you to hide and you see US SEALs 10 mtrs from you..When you choke the trigger what will happen?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Unfortunate to see the losses on our side. That said, I guess our Garud force may need lot more exposure and change in tactics. The feedback during Pathankot was not too encouraging either.
Sorry to post this here and at this time.

In this operation they were under the Army.You cannot blame their tactics in this.

 

[indiatester]

So you'r saying Garuds are not capable and efficient enough to eliminate those pigs, who just walk into kashmir in salwar kameez or track suit with dry fruits and gun?

Even after so many years of establishment of the unit incapable? Then you are correct.

Garuds, Marcos, Para SF etc are elite. If there are losses in offensive operations, I can understand. But in an operation where the area was cordoned off, it pains a lot to hear losses of elite forces. Use some heavy weapons and don't get our soldiers to lose this way to some stupid tango who in all probability is uneducated.
@rkhanna @Immanuel I didn't mean any disrespect. In my mind SF's should mean big bang ops across the line. They must be feared.

 

[indiatester]

In this operation they were under the Army.You cannot blame their tactics in this.

I'm stopping this now. May be when we discuss in SF thread on how and where they must be used.

 

[SELVAM]

So you'r saying Garuds are not capable and efficient enough to eliminate those pigs, who just walk into kashmir in salwar kameez or track suit with dry fruits and gun?

Even after so many years of establishment of the unit incapable? Then you are correct.

indian army is fighting in an urban warfare environment. Tangos r hiding in civilian houses. You can't prevent these losses.

 

[Screambowl]

burst mode and ask you to hide and you see US SEALs 10 mtrs from you..When you choke the trigger what will happen?

You are correct it's the mentality of the tango which makes him lethal not just training.
Soldiers go to find finish and live on.

indian army is fighting in an urban warfare environment. Tangos r hiding in civilian houses. You can't prevent these losses.

A garud, SF, etc have more bearing power . Normally a single burst is not sufficient to paralize specially when medics are around unless until its a hit n head or other sensitive part . This is the basic difference between an elite soldier and a soldier.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

You are talking about crowd not trained soldiers, these people are in middle of the crowd and make sure the line does not break, students, teenagers & woman are positioned at forward chains and stone pelters behind them, They also have a group of journalists who works for them and when given signal they came forward when security forces try to the control situation, Mosque loudspeaker act as physiological warfare tool against our fellow security forces, It is also used for General alarms and messages not very complicated signals as it will tip our people about their movement ..

How ringleaders works ? are they control the aggression of gang of pelters ? Why these ring leader need to be on site when they just need to give individual money and let them instruct to throw stone on army post inside cities ,mosque loudspeaker also inform ppl about encounter site ,crowd can follow those trail too

 

[SELVAM]

You are correct it's the mentality of the tango which makes him lethal not just training.
Soldiers go to find finish and live on.



A garud, SF, etc have more bearing power . Normally a single burst is not sufficient to paralize specially when medics are around unless until its a hit n head or other sensitive part . This is the basic difference between an elite soldier and a soldier.

bullet doesn't see difference between elite soldiers and soldiers.