Indian Coast Guard intercept a suspicious Pakistani fishing boat

[arnabmit]

This was said by Randeep Surjewala official Congress spokesperson. Not official enough?

'Come Clean' on Pakistani Boat Issue: Congress - The New Indian Express

Congress doing politics over terror: BJP on Pakistan boat incident | The Indian Express

I think this is their official statement. Other statements are on indivisual level, and there is already a protest which has started against these moles of ISI

Pak terror boat: Protesters burn photos of journalist Praveen Swami in Delhi - Firstpost

Pakistan 'terror boat': Protest against journalist Praveen Swami for doubting India's claims | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

The more freedom is given, the work becomes easy to identify who is the culprit but the action should be taken on them , there we lack.

 

[arnabmit]

Links please.

Row over Pakistan Boat: Terrorists or Smugglers?

 

[ladder]

Naval officers tell Business Standard the yellow-red flames in the photographs suggest a typical diesel fuel fire. It would have been extremely difficult for the crew to set alight diesel, which does not burn easily. "It seems more likely that the warning shots hit the boat, setting the diesel alight," says a retired admiral.

Questions also abound over the MoD's contention that there was an explosion on board. In a fuel fire, any high explosive on board the vessel would simply have caught fire and burnt, not exploded.

An officer from a premier government agency with expertise in explosives explains a "detonator" is needed to trigger an explosion, creating a shock wave that causes the high explosive to detonate.

Again the retired Admiral, even though retired doesn't name himself. What does he fear. After all India is a Democracy. I am not a Ballistic expert but, MoD report doesn't even mention explosives on board. That is a speculation.

Explosion can also be caused by a hand grenade and still be heard by the IPV. Why does one assume an explosion large to blow the the boat apart.

 

[Screambowl]

This was said by Randeep Surjewala official Congress spokesperson. Not official enough?

yes, but they are asking for the evidence, they are not saying that it was a false flag operation. The one who said it, was at individual level. This needs to slapped on some people across Border so that they should not blame that our own people accepted that this is some false flag operation.

 

[thethinker]

'Pakistani Boat was In Touch With Their Army', Says Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar has said that those on board the Pakistani vessel which blew up after being intercepted off the Gujarat coast last week were "in touch with the Pakistan Army and the Pakistani establishment."

Twice today, the Defence Minister also asserted that they were "suspected terrorists" not smugglers. "I can assure you that those on the boat were not smugglers. The boat was blown up and only people who are motivated and trained could commit suicide," he said.

He said smugglers would not "keep in touch with the maritime Pakistani agency or the maritime security of Pakistan or their army or international contacts."

He did not elaborate, only saying that the government would release "all evidence" in the next few days once intelligence agencies completed their assessment.

The minister's comments to reporters come amid unanswered questions leading to speculation that the vessel was a fishing boat or even one that was carrying smugglers with contraband goods and not one being used by terrorists. "I will not be a part of speculation," Mr Parrikar said firmly, dismissing such reports.

"A normal boat even carrying drugs can surrender," the minister said, adding that the Indian Coast Guard had "done the right job at the right time based on intelligence inputs."

He said the vessel had been under air surveillance for more than 12 to 14 hours before it was intercepted, adding, "The location was not the normal sea route for fishing boats; even the smugglers normally take the busy route so that they can mingle with boats. This was an isolated location."

Mr Parrikar said today that "there was a second boat but that was in Pakistani water."

The Indian Coast Guard has said that on December 31, the Pakistani boat blew itself up about 365 km off the coast of Gujarat's Porbandar after many warnings that it ignored and a "hot pursuit."

Intelligence agencies had reportedly picked up phone intercepts from the boat near Karachi about "expensive cargo" to be delivered near India. Another intercept revealed that those who were to receive the cargo "had been paid and were ready."

The Coast Guard said suspicions were raised about the identity of the crew as they did not look like fishermen and carried no nets. The maritime law enforcement agency has emphasised that it followed standard operating procedure while intercepting the boat.

 

[ladder]

MoD officials also claim there were Pakistani communication intercepts, ordering the fishing boat's crew to "end the mission". If that meant sinking the boat and committing suicide, why did the crew set the boat alight rather than detonating the explosives on board, choosing a slow and painful end over a swift explosion.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar seems to recognize these lacunae. His complimentary message is less than fulsome, congratulating the Coast Guard for "averting a possible danger."

Mr. Shukla again proves, that every one is not bestowed with common sense.

How does Mr. Shukla conclude that detonator was available to the occupants of the boat? He assumes. Also If exploded more debris will be created but if put to fire less debris will be generated. And now what would a terrorist want?

Also, how does Mr. Shukla assume it was a painful and slow death. Why is it not possible that the occupants did shoot themselves after setting the boat on fire. Is it too far fetched when certain reports indicated the occupants of the boat might have shot back at the CG IPV.

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At the end I would like to state Mr. Shukla has tried hard to create the 'lacunae'. But by doing so has written a below average report.

 

[arnabmit]

Official spokespersons in official press meets do not speak in a personal capacity.

yes, but they are asking for the evidence, they are not saying that it was a false flag operation. The one who said it, was at individual level. This needs to slapped on some people across Border so that they should not blame that our own people accepted that this is some false flag operation.

 

[Nicky G]

Five reasons that it was a terror boat from Pakistan

Was the Coast Guard chasing suspected terrorists or "poor innocent" drug mafia on the high seas on the night of December 31, 2014? Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar has weighed in, saying they were suspected terrorists, given the nature of intelligence inputs, intercepts and suspicious movement of the Pakistani boat in the Arabian sea.

Parrikar clarified the operation was mounted by Coast Guard based on specific intelligence input and positive identification by a Coast Guard Dornier aircraft. Subsequently a Coast Guard Inshore Patrol Vessel found the movement of the Pakistani vessel suspicious – loitering on high seas, with its lights switched off, not responding to repeated Coast Guard calls to identify itself and then the chase on the high seas.

Five unanswered questions that indicate the boat had suspected terrorists:

#1. Why didn't the sailors jettison the incriminating evidence? Top ranking officials dealing with counter smuggling operations in the Arabian Sea told Headlines Today that this is not how smugglers behave. Smugglers immediately jettison incriminating evidence. "Such is the nature of the game that smugglers immediate throw the incriminating cargo overboard. At 2,000 metres depth on the high seas, especially when the seas are choppy it is impossible to recover the cargo,'' Vice Admiral AK Singh, former Director General Coast Guard said.

#2. Why didn't they identify themselves? The occupants of the suspect Pakistani vessel were repeatedly told on loud hailers to identify themselves. According to United Nations Convention on Laws of the Seas, all vessels when stopped by the maritime security agencies are supposed to prepare for boarding and examination of documents and cargo. But the suspect Pakistani vessel tried to speed away, repeatedly attempting to dodge the Coast Guard Inshore Patrol Vessel. Smugglers do not do that. Such is the nature of the game that smugglers often do go to prison for a limited period of time but get off without adequate evidence.

#3. Why did they set their boat on fire? Coast Guard officials find it strange that the sailors on board the suspect vessel, when challenged, went below deck and set the boat on fire. Smugglers do not burn their boat or commit suicide when challenged by the Coast Guard. The occupants of the Pakistani vessel did not want to be caught alive. The nature of their conversation with their handlers and the fact that they preferred to end their lives rather than be arrested points towards something far more sinister than a smuggling operation gone awry.

#4. If they were smugglers, what was their cargo? Diesel and alcohol smuggling is no longer lucrative and especially not on the high seas, 200 nautical miles from the coast line. The difference in prices of diesel in India and Pakistan is less than Rs 3 per litre and a 10 metre boat does not carry enough volume of diesel to make smuggling of diesel or even alcohol profitable for the operation or worth the risk. Even if the consignment was of drugs, dealers and peddlers are not likely to embrace "shahadat" for the loss of one consignment. Reports also indicate that the Pakistani vessel took the same route from Pakistan as was taken by the 10 Pakistani terrorists who attacked India on 26/11.

#5. Even if they were smuggling arms, doesn't that make them terrorists? And finally even if intelligence inputs did not give the entire picture, smugglers are no innocents. Dawood Ibrahim was a smuggler used by ISI to ferry explosives to Mumbai before the 1993 blasts that left 257 people dead and over a thousand injured. Smugglers have been used by Pakistan's ISI to explore -----s in the coastal security armour. This time those who dispatched the Pakistani vessel clearly bit more than they could chew.

On another note, some of the BJP spokespeople were on the offensive and I feel it was sincere hurt that a major party in India is speaking for the Pakis. Call them out and let the nation hear and decide who they wish to go with. :thumb:

 

[ladder]

The most vital clue that I found from P.swami and Chisti's report was that PNS Babur was nearby. And I am led to believe it was doing a radar scan to see the movements of Indian vessels. Any large scale IN or ICG movement would have been picked up and the boat would have turned back into Pak waters. Thus using CG Donniers as if they were routine flights and diverting only one CG IPV was a cleaver tactics. Back up ICG assets were there further nearer to shore.

The CG probably wouldn't have had anticipated that they will set themselves on fire.

Intelligence sources said that a Pakistan Navy frigate, PNS Babur, had spotted the boat loitering close to Pakistan's exclusive economic zone, some 200 nautical miles off the coast of Karachi.

The fishing boat, the sources said, slipped further south, likely to avoid being searched by Pakistan's coastal authorities.
- See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/in...uggling-ring-in-karachi/#sthash.zfqoYlES.dpuf

 

[warrior monk]

These kind of operations should be kept secret and should not even be revealed because the minority appeasing retards like congress would have a brain hemorrhage if they don't appease minorities even at the cost of national security. CIA,MOSSAD , MI6 etc conduct such ops covert and overt but are seldom revealed for public consumption even when they have less deshdrohis in their countries .

 

[Screambowl]

Official spokespersons in official press meets do not speak in a personal capacity.

Congress, well they have to do this because they failed preventing 26/11 and find a face saving exist. They said, if it was a PR exercise, the BJP said no it was not and should be ruled out. It was terror attack waiting to be happened. Talk over! This is official.

But questions raised by that ISI operative, Swami, are deliberate and only to present to world that GOI is a liar. He asked for evidences, he asked for further confidential details, which he should ask from Pakistani government obviously, but here he is. This is unofficially congress indirectly trying to bring government under compromising circumstances.

 

[Screambowl]

Give us 10 lakh, Pak. crew told handlers - The Hindu
Give us 10 lakh, Pak. crew told handlers


PTI The fishing boat carrying explosives before it was intercepted by Coast Guard off Porbandar, Gujarat, on Wednesday.
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Coast Guard officials believe it was not a case of bootlegging

Intercepts by the National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO) show that the crew of the suspicious Pakistani boat were negotiating the monetary terms of the mission they were to undertake.

Members of the crew were heard talking to their 'handlers' in Karachi, discussing a 'certain transaction,' a senior Defence official told The-Hindu.

"Chaar lakh nahi, iss keliye 10 lakh chahiye (Not Rs. 4 lakhs, we want Rs. 10 lakhs for this operation)" one of the crew members was heard saying. The agency suspects this could either be a code or a demand made by the crew for ferrying the 'illicit cargo.'

Subsequently, after the intercept, a second boat was seen approaching the first one, which was seen 'disembarking some suspicious objects' and it later changed its course towards Thailand. The suspicious vessel, however, started moving towards the Indian waters.

Defence sources have told TheHindu that both the Western Naval Command and the West Region Command of the Coast Guard were kept in the loop by the Coast Guard Commander, North West Region. The agencies were also privy to the information transmitted by the NTRO on the movement of the suspicious Pakistani vessel.

The information gains significance in the light of the row that has broken out over the operation carried out by the Coast Guard. The agency is battling allegations that it did not share the information with other agencies and that it resorted to 'extra judicial' use of force.

On December 31 morning, after receiving the information, the Western Naval Command got in touch with the Coastguard West Region, but it is still not clear why the Navy did not step in. Asked about it, an official said the Navy perhaps did not consider it serious enough to merit its involvement. However, there was no clarity on why the Navy did not guide the Coast Guard on its operation.

Simultaneously, the Coast Guard West region was also preparing to deploy a ship if the vessel moved into its jurisdiction, TheHindu has learnt.

"We had kept a ship on standby and were coordinating with the headquarters and the North-West region on the movement of the suspicious boat. We later learnt that the boat had started moving 'northwards' [towards Pakistan]. An operation was subsequently launched by the North-West region, but the crew set the boat ablaze," the source said.

While what the boat was carrying is still in the realm of debate and probe, Coast Guard officials believe it was not a simple case of bootlegging or smuggling.

"With law against smugglers not stringent in India, it is rare for smugglers not to surrender. In the past, whenever we have intercepted a smuggling consignment and have asked the crew to surrender, they have obliged," said another source.

The December 31 night operation, however, has now left the Coast Guard exposed. Sources say though the vessel might well have been carrying contraband, terror outfits would now have learnt its interception capabilities through media reports.

"Prior to the 26/11 attack, we were not equipped to pick intercepts on sea. But after the attack, we have equipment that can transmit the information. These equipments help us to monitor activities on the sea. But now, terrorist will either device ways to evade the surveillance or opt for another route to carry out attacks," he said.

 

[warrior monk]

The boat was carrying stuff probably weapons like RPGs , AKs etc and obviously jihadis these would have entered into India and stayed below the radar and wait for a particular moment to strike.
We know that jihadi sleeper cells are already active in India so they were sending in weapons and more jihadis .
The attack would have been made to look like it was done by Indians so deniability can be maintained . All the TV news anchors are deducing wrong these jihadis were not going to immediately attack because Obama is coming to India so Pakistan would have been royally screwed by americans.
After 26/11 American pressure has forced pakistanis to change tactics to show that the attack was done by Indians because if it directly emanates from pakistan then US will bitch slap pakistan.
The sad part is we as a country have not done anything to pakistan to prevent 26/11 type attacks only american pressure prevents pakistan from directly attacking Indian homeland .
Covert ops on pakistan is need of the day

 

[rock127]

Shame on Congress for their Pro-Paki agenda.

All they could have done is shut their anti-national filthy mouth shut until more info comes out but they can't and showed their true colors.In Punjab they are blaming BSF for their own inability to stop drug menace.

Antonia and Raul Vinci are silent letting their dogs do the barking... today it was the Yagini Nayak who was shouting and shouting and shouting and shouting and shouting and shouting and shouting and shouting in TimesNow.

 

[ezsasa]

Congress, well they have to do this because they failed preventing 26/11 and find a face saving exist. They said, if it was a PR exercise, the BJP said no it was not and should be ruled out. It was terror attack waiting to be happened. Talk over! This is official.

But questions raised by that ISI operative, Swami, are deliberate and only to present to world that GOI is a liar. He asked for evidences, he asked for further confidential details, which he should ask from Pakistani government obviously, but here he is. This is unofficially congress indirectly trying to bring government under compromising circumstances.

Also keep in mind the timing of such line of questioning, to me Obama visit seems like a possibility. Taking into consideration how rajya sabha washed out w.r.t attempts of derailing economic reforms , is it possible that they are targeting the credibility of modi govt.

As far as international affairs are concerned modi is defined as a right wing hindu nationalist who is elected on an economic reform agenda.

Now link it to all the controversy being created Ghar-wapsi incident, Haramzada incident, Today's Gita incident, Indian science congress statements, attempt to discredit Coast guard incident and finally not allowing economic reform bills to be passed.

Since they are not able to attack modi's credibility directly they are trying to attack modi's global image.

 

[maomao]

Shame on anti-national secular con-gress!

 

[Screambowl]

Also keep in mind the timing of such line of questioning, to me Obama visit seems like a possibility. Taking into consideration how rajya sabha washed out w.r.t attempts of derailing economic reforms , is it possible that they are targeting the credibility of modi govt.

As far as international affairs are concerned modi is defined as a right wing hindu nationalist who is elected on an economic reform agenda.

Now link it to all the controversy being created Ghar-wapsi incident, Haramzada incident, Today's Gita incident, Indian science congress statements, attempt to discredit Coast guard incident and finally not allowing economic reform bills to be passed.

Since they are not able to attack modi's credibility directly they are trying to attack modi's global image.

They will not succeed because modi is something who's real agenda is unknown, even to his colleagues. The intelligence agencies support him, many business men support him. This is what congress atmost can do what they did today. But they are not aware that if Gov counters it, through IB and RAW, these people will lost their identity. He is currently making the list I am sure.

All the bills will pass. He is just retuning the government, so that people don't get an excuse to blame government. Pseudo Dictatorship.

 

[ezsasa]

Was watching those TV debates on paki channels on you tube. These guys have finally found that Ajit Doval's lecture at sastha university. I can happily announce that their "G**nd phat rahi hai". As far as i know they have always managed to take india's name in anything and everything that happens there internally, but now for the first time they are seeing somebody from indian side going on the offensive.

Second thing to note is that they have officially declared they are going against bad taliban, good taliban is not mentioned in the new policy. they are going after only the groups which target pakistan.

 

[Screambowl]

Shame on Congress for their Pro-Paki agenda.

All they could have done is shut their anti-national filthy mouth shut until more info comes out but they can't and showed their true colors.In Punjab they are blaming BSF for their own inability to stop drug menace.

Antonia and Raul Vinci are silent letting their dogs do the barking... today it was the Yagini Nayak who was shouting and shouting and shouting and shouting and shouting and shouting and shouting and shouting in TimesNow.

it has been shut down, Pak terrorists on the boat were negotiating on ransom with Pak Army.

 

[Nicky G]

Even if you have doubt about the story, in such a matter how can you not give the government the benefit of the doubt and let them present what they feel is fit for public consumption? Forget political parties, for right / left wing, simply think of that.

In which other country would the opposition be baying for the blood of the government on such a matter? Congress continues to work towards making India the laughing stock.

Anyway, hopefully this can only further the mukti India is likely to get from this party. Good riddance.

They will not succeed because modi is something who's real agenda is unknown, even to his colleagues. The intelligence agencies support him, many business men support him. This is what congress atmost can do what they did today. But they are not aware that if Gov counters it, through IB and RAW, these people will lost their identity. He is currently making the list I am sure.

All the bills will pass. He is just retuning the government, so that people don't get an excuse to blame government. Pseudo Dictatorship.

I am sure he already has the list. The Congress is mostly using its low level speakers, what the hell are the airheads that appear on show supposed to know about such matters? I am not sure if they are even properly briefed. As for the journalists the stories are coming from, their credentials are well known.