Indian Army T- 90 (Bhishma) and T- 72 (M-1) Tanks

[Shashank Nayak]

Is India going for autoloader.. ? Western nations like US and Germany have not gone for it.. as they doubt the reliability of a autoloader, as also crew safety, with the crew not separated from the ammunition.. Also, they want the fourth crew man, to do various maintenance and machine gun functions.. and also for morale..

 

[Love Charger]

Is India going for autoloader.. ? Western nations like US and Germany have not gone for it.. as they doubt the reliability of a autoloader, as also crew safety, with the crew not separated from the ammunition.. Also, they want the fourth crew man, to do various maintenance and machine gun functions.. and also for morale..

We ßhouod reject ze autolodaer comrade
Arjun has no autoloader in my opinion.

 

[Bleh]

Depends on what you consider as sufficient evidence.

Has any defence journalist confirmed Arjun MK2 till now based on their "sources" : Yes. Till now Prasun sengupta confirmed in his Trishul blog. Saurav jha have confirmed (as recently as his February Youtube IAH). Shiv Aroor confirmed that Army has asked for re-design in 2016-17, nothing after that.

Does any MOD/DRDO doccument on Arjun MK2 exists : No.

That's what I'm saying...
16-17 was a long time ago. And it was only after that FMBT changed to GNMBT with many Arjun-like shapes.

I did a 2+2=4 based on that.

 

[jackprince]

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Learning lesson from Ukraine & Syria for our lolypop turret tanks with ERA bricks & tiles:

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

bina APS ke T-72/90 turrets sirf lolypop hain
aur tank sirf ek tanki hai
aag se bachne ke liye tanki me pani bhar kar zaroor rakhen

 

[WolfPack86]

INDIAN ARMY TO INCORPORATE LESSONS FROM RUSSIA-UKRAINE ARMOURED WAR IN ITS BATTLE TANK DESIGN
New Delhi: Amid the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine where the anti-tank missiles have achieved significant success against armour, the Indian Army is going to incorporate the lessons of the conflict in the design of its futuristic main battle tank.


In the Ukraine-Russia conflict, reports from the war zone have suggested that the Ukrainians have extensively used anti-tank guided missiles to exploit the weakness of the Russian armoured vehicles and achieved significant success too.

Indian armed forces have been keeping a close eye on the developments on the battlefield as a lot of equipment is common including the tanks being used there.

The inputs are being analysed and the lessons would be incorporated into the design of the futuristic main battle tanks that would be produced and used by the Indian Army in coming years, government sources told ANI.

The Indian Army has been one of the biggest users of Russian armour including the T-90, T-72 and BMP-series infantry combat vehicles which are the mainstay of the force.

The Indian Army earlier used to deploy these tanks only along the desert and plain borders with Pakistan but they have now become the face of Indian resolve along the China border too as large numbers are deployed there from Ladakh to Sikkim.

In the Russia-Ukraine war going on for around 46 days now, a number of European and North American nations are supplying anti-tank and anti-aircraft equipment such as the Carl Gustaf anti-tank rocket launchers, NLAWs and AT-4s.

Officials familiar with the armoured operations said the design of the tanks is at least three to four decades old but the anti-tank missiles and rockets have been designed as per the latest requirements and have an upper hand in the present scenario.

The Indian designers would make an attempt to offset that advance in the futuristic main battle tanks that would be built some years from now, they said.

Indian Army To Incorporate Lessons From Russia-Ukraine Armoured War In Its Battle Tank Design

New Delhi: Amid the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine where the anti-tank missiles have achieved significant success against armour, t...

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[Aniruddha Mulay]

Learning lesson from Ukraine & Syria for our lolypop turret tanks with ERA bricks & tiles:

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Each and every tank will suffer the same fate at the hands of drones, top-attack ATGM, Loitering munition without APS regardless of its origins.

 

[mokoman]

Ukranians also destroyed the single russian tank with drodz APS

this was exported to China , possible that chinese copied it for their APS too

Russia's One-Of-A-Kind Supertank Destroyed By Ukraine

The wreckage of the tank was spotted in Ukraine following Russia's invasion

www.ladbible.com

bina APS ke T-72/90 turrets sirf lolypop hain
aur tank sirf ek tanki hai
aag se bachne ke liye tanki me pani bhar kar zaroor rakhen

i dont think u can fit all tanks with APS , it will be too costly , maybe just a few that takes the lead in battle

from wiki , Trophy "Heavy" system costs around US$900,000 to mount on a Merkava Mk. IVM.
the tank itself costs $ 3.5 million .

 

[THESIS THORON]

Ukranians also destroyed the single russian tank with drodz APS

this was exported to China , possible that chinese copied it for their APS too

Russia's One-Of-A-Kind Supertank Destroyed By Ukraine

The wreckage of the tank was spotted in Ukraine following Russia's invasion

www.ladbible.com

i dont think u can fit all tanks with APS , it will be too costly , maybe just a few that takes the lead in battle

from wiki , Trophy "Heavy" system costs around US$900,000 to mount on a Merkava Mk. IVM.
the tank itself costs $ 3.5 million .

ig, that is why we are making our own aps, it will be far cheaper than the imported ones

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Ukranians also destroyed the single russian tank with drodz APS
this was exported to China , possible that chinese copied it for their APS too

Russia's One-Of-A-Kind Supertank Destroyed By Ukraine

The wreckage of the tank was spotted in Ukraine following Russia's invasion

www.ladbible.com

So the MMW radar has blind spots & we don't know if at the time of hit was it switched on or not. RCA or Root Cause Analysis has to be done.

i dont think u can fit all tanks with APS , it will be too costly , maybe just a few that takes the lead in battle
from wiki , Trophy "Heavy" system costs around US$900,000 to mount on a Merkava Mk. IVM.
the tank itself costs $ 3.5 million .

A beaching assault into hostile area has to be combined effort by land & air. A defenceless platform shouldn't enter the area or it will be wasted with lives lost. How many vehicles need APS depends on so many factors.
Western military industries are heavily capitalized & privatized hence costly.
We Bhartiya citizens have to stop wasting money on over-budgeted things from phones to cars bcoz individual demands & satisfaction has no end. We have to stop wealth drain & brain drain.
"utna hi pair failane ka jitni badi chaadar hai"
If country can't be protected from invaders then what to do with freedom?
Instead of buying 1L Rs cellphone & 15L Rs car, i give 60K+5L as tax to be invested in armed forces R&D then automatically situation will improve. A 40K phone & 10L car is also good enough for me. A 400-500 Rs pizza, 10K Rs shoes, 100-200 Rs coffee, these foreign brand things are just show-off & looting us.
In metro & semi-metro cities the traffic jam & air/sound pollution are evidence of inefficient society.
It is all economics of import Vs domestic capability & wise decisions.

 

[Flying Dagger]

ig, that is why we are making our own aps, it will be far cheaper than the imported ones

We are working on it yes... But Israel is already moving towards Carmel like FMBT

while we are stuck with producing T-90s because we need to provide jobs to OFB.


We should have already upgraded T-72s with APS and put them as lighter tank against Chinks.

After years of negotiations we imported/assembled SPH K9 while the OEM has already improved on that. But we will have to continue producing the same due to our lethargic procedure.

I don't know if K 10 will be on order or not.

Ukranians also destroyed the single russian tank with drodz APS

this was exported to China , possible that chinese copied it for their APS too

Russia's One-Of-A-Kind Supertank Destroyed By Ukraine

The wreckage of the tank was spotted in Ukraine following Russia's invasion

www.ladbible.com

i dont think u can fit all tanks with APS , it will be too costly , maybe just a few that takes the lead in battle

from wiki , Trophy "Heavy" system costs around US$900,000 to mount on a Merkava Mk. IVM.
the tank itself costs $ 3.5 million .

We are spending million of dollars to buy tank but shouldn't put an extra million to make it safer ? That's not how it works.

Either we should bring the number down or spend more money.

That's why a lighter tank with 2 crew member as suggested by DRDO after taking cue from similar development in Israel is the way forward.

Lots of improvement will be needed for armoured vehicles in future to survive the onslaught of drones ATGM etc increasing the overall development and production cost but that's how it is going to be.

 

[Immanuel]

Well it's not only tanks but all ground vehicles are vulnerable to RPGs, NLAWs and other anti tank weapons and to kit out every vehicle with an active protection system is a very expensive affair. I think the better option is to have mid range drones live tracking ground movements from up front and have flanking movements with small UGVs and rapid teams to seek and hunt those AT soldiers and squads while the main column presses ahead.

 

[Love Charger]

Well it's not only tanks but all ground vehicles are vulnerable to RPGs, NLAWs and other anti tank weapons and to kit out every vehicle with an active protection system is a very expensive affair. I think the better option is to have mid range drones live tracking ground movements from up front and have flanking movements with small UGVs and rapid teams to seek and hunt those AT soldiers and squads while the main column presses ahead.

In an active war between us and chicoms. One thing is sure
Our tanks will be roasted quite easily. That's a given.
Russian and Ukrainians both use better tanks than us
One can see how well it went.
Only thing is Indian army is improvising, like mounting atgms on polaris vehicles .

 

[WolfPack86]

Indigenous T-90 tank Upgrade,Why F/A-18 is better thanRafale.? Helina missile

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Indigenous T-90 tank Upgrade,Why F/A-18 is better thanRafale.? Helina missile

Boeing ne bada dhaba khol liya??

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Engineering colleges have come up like mushrooms in our country. There is huge potential in commercial & military industry.
Either DRDO or the private sector has to come up with solutions.
A Bengaluru based private startup called Tonbo Imaging put up solution for BMPs for 360 degree situational awareness.

But just adding day & IR cameras is not enough. To make these smart, digital image processing is required to detect movement like it hapens in cellphones & CCTV, Tesla-car, etc. Similarly such startups have to make AESA MMW radar, rather than again asking Russia's Uralvagonzavod or Israel's Rafael, Elbit, etc.
So we have a lot of scope of employment, military self-sufficiency & even export.

To deal with troops or UAV firing ATGM/RPG, the frontline has to deploy not necessarily MBT but a hybrid APS IFV or UCV which can locate the source of fire, destroy incoming weapon & take out the launch position either by self by machine gun, grenade, mortar or explosive drones OR provide the coordinates to another vehicle to do it.

 

[Angel of War]

In an active war between us and chicoms. One thing is sure
Our tanks will be roasted quite easily. That's a given.
Russian and Ukrainians both use better tanks than us
One can see how well it went.
Only thing is Indian army is improvising, like mounting atgms on polaris vehicles .

even an abrams can be roasted by a 3rd gen atgm . Chink tanks are no exception considering their deployment of Type 85s , Type 15s and Type96s all of which aren't even on par with T72B3. They'll get roasted just as bad as ours .

 

[Marliii]

even an abrams can be roasted by a 3rd gen atgm . Chink tanks are no exception considering their deployment of Type 85s , Type 15s and Type96s all of which aren't even on par with T72B3. They'll get roasted just as bad as ours .

But the chances of abrams or arjun mk1a catastrophically blowing up is very less

 

[Angel of War]

But the chances of abrams or arjun mk1a catastrophically blowing up is very less

If they are attacked by a top attack missile then the chances are very high . Remember how Houthis roasted Saudi Abrams