Indian Army T- 90 (Bhishma) and T- 72 (M-1) Tanks

[THESIS THORON]

agreed with you but above stated problem is very slowly becoming real.
And one should not get surprised if order is given to ruskies even when any country's better product is avialable

IF WE DECOUPLE FROM RUSSIAN PRODUCTS MORE, RUSKIES WILL OFFER THEM TO PAK IN NAME OF COUNTER TERRORIST OP

see this
https://www.hydrocarbons-technology.com/news/pakistan-russia-amended-agreement-pipeline/

31 MAY 2021

NEWS
Pakistan, Russia ink amended agreement for gas pipeline project


Pakistan and Russia have signed a protocol on the amendments to the Intergovernmental Agreement (IGA) on North-South Gas Pipeline Project.

Pakistan and Russia have signed a protocol on the amendments to the Intergovernmental Agreement (IGA) on North-South Gas Pipeline Project.
The amended IGA has been signed between Pakistan’s Ambassador to Russian Federation Shafqat Ali Khan and Russian Minister for Energy Nikolay Shulginov.
As per the updated protocol, the project has been renamed as Pakistan Stream Gas Pipeline, Pakistan Embassy Russia said in Twitter.
Shulginov was reported by TASS news agency as saying: “Relevant authorities of our countries completed a large amount of work on the preparation of this protocol.
“Its signing will enable our companies to start practical implementation of this project as soon as possible, thereby helping the Pakistani side to strengthen its energy security and increase the use of natural gas as an environmentally pure energy source.”
Pakistan Stream Gas Pipeline Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV) is planned to be launched within 60 days from the date of signing for project implementation.
The project is estimated to cost around $2.25bn, reported Business Recorder citing Pakistani officials.
As per the revised agreement, Pakistan can have a 74% stake in the pipeline project while Russia can own the remainder.
Planned to be built by Russia, the 1,122km pipeline will have an estimated annual capacity of 12.4 billion cubic metres.
It will connect LNG terminals in the southern Pakistani city of Karachi with Lahore in the northeast.
Although the two countries signed IGA on the pipeline project in 2015, it was not implemented due to the sanctions on Russian firm Rostec by the US and disagreements over fees.
Several Russian entities have faced US sanctions as a result of the 2014 annexation of the Crimea Peninsula from Ukraine.

 

[Bleh]

I am no fan of T 90, but Arjun has been such a disappointment even tandoor sound better.

Lol no it doesn't.. Arjun maybe kinda shitty, but every other tank in the sub-continent is a dungheap in comparison.

 

[Marliii]

So next superpower is afraid of sanctions ?

 

[t 90s]

You think other countries going to provide you such high end tech?
You do realise that indian T 90 will need massive upgrade going to the future. Where will we get those upgrade from ? US , UK

 

[Marliii]

You think other countries going to provide you such high end tech?
You do realise that indian T 90 will need massive upgrade going to the future. Where will we get those upgrade from ? US , UK

Nop and that's why NGMBT is important and we aren't gonna buy t14 thats a truth

 

[UnderFingy]

So next superpower is afraid of sanctions ?

You don't become a super power by going against the biggest economy in the world. That too just to buy MBTs. Russia has been mending ties with China and India with USA.

 

[t 90s]

Nop and that's why NGMBT is important and we aren't gonna buy t14 thats a truth

There is no NGMBT. there is no tech know how for it period. do you think DRDO can built a 2A82-1M level gun, they can not even copy 2A46M for T 90 & still stuck with fcking rifled gun for mighty Arjun. You are expecting to much. You will be disappointed.

 

[t 90s]

You don't become a super power by going against the biggest economy in the world. That too just to buy MBTs. Russia has been mending ties with China and India with USA.

So tell USA to transfer high end technology lol.

 

[Marliii]

There is no NGMBT. there is no tech know how for it period. do you think DRDO can built a 2A82-1M level gun, they can not even copy 2A46M for T 90 & still stuck with fcking rifled gun for mighty Arjun. You are expecting to much. You will be disappointed.

Nope.DRDO has also recieved RFI .No tandoori .14 will be here

 

[t 90s]

Nope.DRDO has also recieved RFI .No tandoori .14 will be here

DRDO can't build one. I hope i am wrong. But past record say otherwise.

 

[Marliii]

DRDO can't build one. I hope i am wrong. But past record say otherwise.

DRDO cant build a tank? So arjun mk1 and mk1a popped out of the sky? T14 can go two ways either its gonna be an efficient tank like abrams in the gulf war or it would be the t72 of the gulf war.its unproven and ruskies who needed 2500 tanka by 2020 haven't even inducted 30

 

[THESIS THORON]

DRDO cant build a tank? So arjun mk1 and mk1a popped out of the sky? T14 can go two ways either its gonna be an efficient tank like abrams in the gulf war or it would be the t72 of the gulf war.its unproven and ruskies who needed 2500 tanka by 2020 haven't even inducted 30

I THINK HE IS TALKING ABOUT SMOOTH BORE GUN

 

[t 90s]

DRDO cant build a tank? So arjun mk1 and mk1a popped out of the sky? T14 can go two ways either its gonna be an efficient tank like abrams in the gulf war or it would be the t72 of the gulf war.

& What a fcking disappointment both versions of Arjun are.

its unproven and ruskies who needed 2500 tanka by 2020 haven't even inducted 30

Training for cadets have already started. Going on as we speak. all tanks are unproven before battle. You can only validate there performance through test.

 

[UnderFingy]

So tell USA to transfer high end technology lol.

It seems like you're intentionally missing the point. The argument is that this RFI will not go anywhere meaningful because of the demands made by the army.

 

[UnderFingy]

& What a fcking disappointment both versions of Arjun are.

Training for cadets have already started. Going on as we speak. all tanks are unproven before battle. You can only validate there performance through test.

> Arjun is a disappointment
> All tanks unproven before battle.

Are you alright my friend? Or did your last brain cell kill itself with that sentence?

 

[t 90s]

It seems like you're intentionally missing the point. The argument is that this RFI will not go anywhere meaningful because of the demands made by the army.

army will go for license just like T 90 with some tech transfer and gradual indigenisation i think. in my opinion they should go for T 90 upgrade with new gun, ammo , ERA like they are doing for T 72. It will be more than enough to deal with the threat we face for next decade at least.

> Arjun is a disappointment
> All tanks unproven before battle.

Are you alright my friend? Or did your last brain cell kill itself with that sentence?

Arjun specs are such crap for it's weight class, that you can discard the second point all together

 

[Marliii]

army will go for license just like T 90 with some tech transfer and gradual indigenisation i think. in my opinion they should go for T 90 upgrade with new gun, ammo , ERA like they are doing for T 72. It will be more than enough to deal with the threat we face for next decade at least.

Arjun specs are such crap for it's weight class, that you can discard the second point all together

Yeah but arjuns one lucky hit on the turret.which really is quite small can disable t14.even if arjun s penetration is kinda low in 2km range

 

[JBH22]

You think other countries going to provide you such high end tech?
You do realise that indian T 90 will need massive upgrade going to the future. Where will we get those upgrade from ? US , UK

The expectations from Russia is ridiculous
Btw for all platform purchased from West have we got full ToT. Everybody will withheld critical tech.
Does anyone believe if we got challenger produced in India, Brits would have shared chobham armour tech with us
There is only two way as I see see it either make it yourself or continue buying and be dependent.
If you can do it fine otherwise just buy from your most reliable partner.

 

[Marliii]

The expectations from Russia is ridiculous
Btw for all platform purchased from West have we got full ToT. Everybody will withheld critical tech.
Does anyone believe if we got challenger produced in India, Brits would have shared chobham armour tech with us
There is only two way as I see see it either make it yourself or continue buying and be dependent.
If you can do it fine otherwise just buy from your most reliable partner.

We have no reliable partner.so make it ourselves

 

[JBH22]

We have no reliable partner.so make it ourselves

Reliability is dependent on converging interest, if it is not the case the dominant partner just walk away.
French ditched Russian on mistral deal
US booted Turkey on F 35 and Patriot deal
So you can see it goes across all so called partnership. The next big question is do we have time and tech to meet the long decade development cycle being proposed by DRDO. I read they are asking for 10 years to develop next gen mbt.