Indian Army SIG Sauer 716 assault rifle.

[Akula]

Looked it up. It’s a reflex sight- not used for big rifle like SIG 716.

I have seen a picture of Sig-716 with OLF Dehradun made Scope.

 

[rkhanna]

Every individual soldiers who wielded sig 716i do not need scope which is extra burden of weight for them. Only the dmr or sniper needs. The fin sniper world record holder even prefers iron sight instead. Sorry don't jump on me expensive and shinny scope pushers it hardly works in monsoonal muddy jungles for example.

Almost every soldier, RR or otherwise, in Kashmir has some type of optic on their long gun today.

Why would normal infantry not require one on the IB ?

Alot of countries use optics in all kinds of enviornment. It's a question of getting the right kit for troops in the right theater.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Almost every soldier, RR or otherwise, in Kashmir has some type of optic on their long gun today.

Why would normal infantry not require one on the IB ?

Alot of countries use optics in all kinds of enviornment. It's a question of getting the right kit for troops in the right theater.

Upto what ranges are red dots and holographi/reflex sights effective?

 

[Aditya Ballal]

At this point all of should realise that variable power optics may never come for the time beings in large numbers, we should instead see what kind of affordable fixed power magnified optics may work for us instead. We must also remember IA does not really deal with smaller unknown companies for whatever the reasons they may be so we should consider that too. So far IA has used Eotech, Aimpoint, Trijicon, Schmidt and Bender, Leupold, Zeiss(now Hendsholdt), Falke etc. We also need to remember so other European companies have personally banned sales to us over “Hooman RiGhTs violations” so that also needs to be considered.

Let me set the ball rolling, check out the 5x30mm Sig Sauer Bravo 5, $439 only.

BRAVO5 5x32 mm

The world's first wide field battle sight for professional and civilian MSR/AR-shooters.

www.sigsauer.com

The reason I feel this is better is since IA likes dealing with the OEM only so Sig may provide better prices if we include these along with few pieces of Sig Tango 6t LPVOs if we buy more guns from them.
Others input would be cool

 

[FalconZero]

To Indian army planners- your beautiful SIG rifle is significantly less effective without a decent LPVO - it’s a crime not to put an optic on such a firearm. Below is what I have for my AR-10. The difference in accuracy beyond 100 meters is not an argument.

View attachment 98760Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8x24 (sadly Made in China)

Every individual soldiers who wielded sig 716i do not need scope which is extra burden of weight for them. Only the dmr or sniper needs. The fin sniper world record holder even prefers iron sight instead. Sorry don't jump on me expensive and shinny scope pushers it hardly works in monsoonal muddy jungles for example.

While browsing /k/ i first came to know about LPVO from actual operators and almost everyone was praising it and to know more about em, so i got interested into it and found this video of LPVO :

And these things are just amazing, he was hitting close to 600 yards, (550m) with ease, one thing it highlighted was the difference between a setup for practice where contrast is too high so you can easily distinguish with likes of ACOG etc but when it comes to serious actual fight with mixed terrain or lack of light that's where LPVOs shine.

Though few users pointed about the issues during night time, i didn't look it up. But yeah, we should focus on mix of LPVOs and maybe normal BEL red dot or arjun thermal sights which are just amazing, watch taliban videos to know more about em.

Also, watch the above video i found it very informative for even someone who is noob like me was able to understand things.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Upto what ranges are red dots and holographi/reflex sights effective?

100 metres for reflex and 200-250 for an EOTech but it will stress your vision a lot, Americans use ACOG on M4A1s and are going to make LPVOs as standard issue with new infantry rifle, we haven’t standardised grips yet, IMO atleast Magnifier and BEL Holographic sight combo should be made standard as you will not spend additional money on lasers which are standard in US Military.

 

[FalconSlayers]

At this point all of should realise that variable power optics may never come for the time beings in large numbers, we should instead see what kind of affordable fixed power magnified optics may work for us instead. We must also remember IA does not really deal with smaller unknown companies for whatever the reasons they may be so we should consider that too. So far IA has used Eotech, Aimpoint, Trijicon, Schmidt and Bender, Leupold, Zeiss(now Hendsholdt), Falke etc. We also need to remember so other European companies have personally banned sales to us over “Hooman RiGhTs violations” so that also needs to be considered.

Let me set the ball rolling, check out the 5x30mm Sig Sauer Bravo 5, $439 only.

BRAVO5 5x32 mm

The world's first wide field battle sight for professional and civilian MSR/AR-shooters.

www.sigsauer.com

The reason I feel this is better is since IA likes dealing with the OEM only so Sig may provide better prices if we include these along with few pieces of Sig Tango 6t LPVOs if we buy more guns from them.
Others input would be cool

Cheaper than EOTech holographic sights, lol.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Cheaper than EOTech holographic sights, lol.

It is a Prismatic Battle Sight, if I’m not wrong essentially the tech used in regular red dot sights.
This sight is basically a magnified red dot with a choice of reticles.

 

[FalconSlayers]

It is a Prismatic Battle Sight, if I’m not wrong essentially the tech used in regular red dot sights.
This sight is basically a magnified red dot with a choice of reticles.

That SiG one? If it is a 5x magnifying red dot then it is too good! It will be good with our SiGs.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

That SiG one? If it is a 5x magnifying red dot then it is too good! It will be good with our SiGs.

Yes, if I’m not wrong that’s the way a prismatic sight works, in this case it’s magnified. @ezsasa @Johny_Baba and other senior members could u guys explain if you know?

 

[FalconSlayers]

Yes, if I’m not wrong that’s the way a prismatic sight works, in this case it’s magnified. @ezsasa @Johny_Baba and other senior members could u guys explain if you know?

How much does a magnified thermal sight cost???

 

[Aditya Ballal]

How much does a magnified thermal sight cost???

Anywhere from $4000-7000 depending of magnificatio, brand and size etc

 

[FalconSlayers]

Anywhere from $4000-7000 depending of magnificatio, brand and size etc

It’s better to have a prismatic magnification sight, low cost but effective, but our opinion doesn’t matter because Indian Army loves iron sights.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Anywhere from $4000-7000 depending of magnificatio, brand and size etc

Or we can do this

 

[Tactical Doge]

Upto what ranges are red dots and holographi/reflex sights effective?

It's not about range,
They offer no magnification whatsoever, but they are faster than regular iron sights in target acquisition, so in the same 100-200 metre you will be able to deliver much accurate shots, and better follow up shots, reduces reaction time, keep both eye open, advantages over iron sights
But alternatively you can add a magnifyer behind a HOLO

 

[Wisemarko]

If it’s made in China then no way it will be bought unless they make it in India which will be cheaper to produce than China as well or made in USA but expensive.

I just saw a pic of NSG soldiers with SIG Romeo5. I have it and it is also made in China.

 

[Wisemarko]

Every individual soldiers who wielded sig 716i do not need scope which is extra burden of weight for them. Only the dmr or sniper needs. The fin sniper world record holder even prefers iron sight instead. Sorry don't jump on me expensive and shinny scope pushers it hardly works in monsoonal muddy jungles for example.

I think you need to learn more about rifles and modern optics.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

I just saw a pic of NSG soldiers with SIG Romeo5. I have it and it is also made in China.

Yup, SIGs Romeo series sights are rebadged high end Holosun sights.
If I’m not wrong only the Bravo and Tango series are made by SIG themselves

 

[FalconSlayers]

I just saw a pic of NSG soldiers with SIG Romeo5. I have it and it is also made in China.

Then how are you fighting trade war with wumaos.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Then how are you fighting trade war with wumaos.

Even stuff we make, will have to some degree few Chinese parts