Indian Army SIG Sauer 716 assault rifle.

[Rambo101]

USA has a habit of show off by buying the most expensive platforms, imo we should have adopted the 6.8x43mm cartridge to replace all others.

Yes and in future we could have gone for 6.8mm telescope ammunition, Eliminating need for 7.62 all together while getting KE performance of a 7.62 + accuracy of 5.56 in the process.

USA is not moving up yet. The NGSW program has about as much chance of success as previous M4 replacement programs. M4 is here to stay. Modern 5.56mm cartridges are good enough. Modern 5.56 rounds like M855A1, Mk.262 77gr, Mk. 318 62gr are the way to go. Even USMC is adopting the M27 IAR, in 5.56 and it will be around for the next 40 years. So, 5.56mm carbine was a good decision by IA.

7.62×39 has no future. We should have gone for 5.56mm AR. 5.56mm NATO, that is. This 5.56mm INSAS seems to be an underpowered round.

AK 15, AK 19 etc are just plain AKs with better furniture and new gas block. We should have gone for something like Galil ACE in 7.62mm if we were going with that cartridge. It is already made in India and I'm sure price would be lower than degenerate OFB's overpriced fraud 103 with crappy rails.

USA will be moving up probably to new 6.8mm telescope ammunition.
5.56mm is a dead end, there is simply not enough KE to do any substantial damage going into the future.

 

[Killbot]

Yes and in future we could have gone for 6.8mm telescope ammunition, Eliminating need for 7.62 all together while getting KE performance of a 7.62 + accuracy of 5.56 in the process.

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USA will be moving up probably to new 6.8mm telescope ammunition.
5.56mm is a dead end, there is simply not enough KE to do any substantial damage.

6.8 SPC II is a good round, but that isn't telescoping case ammo. That is polymer case.

Case telescoping.

This kind of ammo is very, very, very expensive to produce. 5-6 times as much as 5.56. Highly unlikely that US will go for this. And like I said, NGSW program is probably not gonna succeed,as soldiers are comfortable with 5.56mm.

5.56mm is a very wide term. Hundreds of different loads are available. Google these cartridge loads: Mk.262 77gr, Mk.318 62gr and M855A1 62gr. These ammo loads are cheap to produce and can do sufficient damage.

Of course, 6.5 grendel or 6.8 SPC are better, but they are expensive. 5.56mm is good enough. Not something that needs replacement right now by any means.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Yes and in future we could have gone for 6.8mm telescope ammunition, Eliminating need for 7.62 all together while getting KE performance of a 7.62 + accuracy of 5.56 in the process.

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USA will be moving up probably to new 6.8mm telescope ammunition.
5.56mm is a dead end, there is simply not enough KE to do any substantial damage going into the future.

Textron new guns were showcased, kisi ne nahi dekha kya?

 

[Rambo101]

Textron new guns were showcased, kisi ne nahi dekha kya?

This one ?

 

[Killbot]

Textron new guns were showcased, kisi ne nahi dekha kya?

Those are some very complex guns. Which can be good or bad. If this deal does go through, I'd bet on Sig. Much more conventional design. Piston driven AR 10, with features from MCX Virtus.

 

[FalconSlayers]

This one ?
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Yes
These will be damn expensive, I feel USA should go for HK416 to replace M4 as Common platform advantage plus M4 is getting obsolete as an infantry weapon, heck after we’ll get all AK-203, SiG-716 and CAR-816, then our army will have better guns than the US Army, what about the DMR program of Indian Army?

I feel they are going to use SiG-716 as a DMR also which is not good!

 

[Narendra s rawat]

Yes
These will be damn expensive, I feel USA should go for HK416 to replace M4 as Common platform advantage plus M4 is getting obsolete as an infantry weapon, heck after we’ll get all AK-203, SiG-716 and CAR-816, then our army will have better guns than the US Army, what about the DMR program of Indian Army?

I feel they are going to use SiG-716 as a DMR also which is not good!

There were reports that present svd dragnovs
is going to be upgraded by SSS defence and will be used in DMR role.

But considering our inventory of 6000-7000 of dragnov.we might go for Sig 716

 

[Suryavanshi]

The thang about foreign rifles is that its a tough work on upgradability unless you have the production and R&D here.

 

[Rambo101]

Yes
These will be damn expensive, I feel USA should go for HK416 to replace M4 as Common platform advantage plus M4 is getting obsolete as an infantry weapon, heck after we’ll get all AK-203, SiG-716 and CAR-816, then our army will have better guns than the US Army, what about the DMR program of Indian Army?

I feel they are going to use SiG-716 as a DMR also which is not good!

I think so. NSG already using it.

 

[FalconSlayers]

I think so. NSG already using it.

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Why tf is NSG getting so much? I mean what is their use now?
Now every state has its separate police departments with their own CICT SWAT forces that will tackle terror threats plus funny thing is that all these police tactical units are trained by NSG itself and have similar equipments also, why wasting money on NSG when it is of no use now or else deploy them for active CICT ops in Kashmir.

 

[Killbot]

I feel they are going to use SiG-716 as a DMR also which is not good

There were reports that present svd dragnovs
is going to be upgraded by SSS defence and will be used in DMR role.
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But considering our inventory of 6000-7000 of dragnov.we might go for Sig 716

think so. NSG already using it.

They'll upgrade all dragunovs. That'll make them 0.6-0.8 MOA guns with new optics and muzzle brake from existing 1-1.2 MOA. For proper sniper roles, there is a tender for 5000+ .338s. No need to worry there.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Slightly old news but nevertheless interesting to be aware of about NSG using the world‘s smallest drone - BlackHornet.

Elite Force NSG Acquires World's Smallest Spy Cam, Hi-Tech Weapons

The elite National Security Guard or NSG has undergone a major overhaul by introducing new weapon systems and gadgets. Be it semi-automatic sniper rifles or the world's smallest spy cam, the National Security Guard is now equipped with it.

www.ndtv.com

i think if india ever developed one it will be called the “machchar” or “Madhu machchar”.

On another note, i Hope CDS Rawat is thinking about drone swarms as a force multiplier.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Cased Telescoped (CT) weapons from Textron in use with the US Army being evaluated for their next generation squad weapons. 6.8mm projectile in US Army for the first time. Nice.

https://www.textronsystems.com/sites/default/files/_documents/CT%20Weapons%20datasheet_0.pdf

Textron Systems Leads Experienced Team Selected by U.S. Army to Participate in the Next Generation Squad Weapons Prototype Program

Textron Systems, announced today its selection by the U.S. Army’s Project Manager Soldier Weapons as one of three organizations to deliver Next Generation Squad Weapons (NGSW) based on the company’s mature, high-performance cased telescoped (CT) technology.

www.textronsystems.com

The Army’s SAW and M4 replacement is headed to troops by 2022

The new weapons will bring the 6.8mm projectile into the U.S. military inventory for the first time.

www.defensenews.com

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

a nice short video on Sig 716 AR. This will be quite an upgrade for IA.

 

[Johny_Baba]

>AK-19 BHETTAR THAN AK-12 AK-203 REEE

Coming from people who're not aware of whole modern AK saga,like hell what's the difference anyway ?
AK-19 IS JUST AK-12 WITH NEW SIGHTS, NEW BUTTSTOCK AND NEW ENLARGED PISTOL GRIP THAT ALSO HOUSES MAGAZINE LOCK IN IT!

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

A grand AK 203 pic:

https://images.guns.com/wordpress/2019/03/AK-203.png

Russian heartburn:

Russian gun maker Kalashnikov unhappy with India's choice to buy American SigSauer guns

In December last year, the Indian Army has started inducting its newly acquired American SiG Sauer assault rifles in operations. In addition, the Indian Army had also started getting supplies of ammunition for its sniper rifles as more than 21 lakh rounds have been ordered from vendors.

m.economictimes.com

Ak19 versus Ak 203:

While Indian Army Eyes AK-203, Kalashnikov Group Unveils Its Latest AK-19 Rifles

Russian defense manufacturer Kalashnikov Group has unveiled its latest rifle under the AK series – the AK-19. The first version of the gun, the AK-47, was used by the Red Army of the Soviet Union from 1949. Why Has India Opted For Indigenous LCH Helicopters Over AH-64E Apache To Fight China? The...

eurasiantimes.com

 

[Rambo101]

A grand AK 203 pic:

https://images.guns.com/wordpress/2019/03/AK-203.png

Russian heartburn:

Russian gun maker Kalashnikov unhappy with India's choice to buy American SigSauer guns

In December last year, the Indian Army has started inducting its newly acquired American SiG Sauer assault rifles in operations. In addition, the Indian Army had also started getting supplies of ammunition for its sniper rifles as more than 21 lakh rounds have been ordered from vendors.

m.economictimes.com

Ak19 versus Ak 203:

While Indian Army Eyes AK-203, Kalashnikov Group Unveils Its Latest AK-19 Rifles

Russian defense manufacturer Kalashnikov Group has unveiled its latest rifle under the AK series – the AK-19. The first version of the gun, the AK-47, was used by the Red Army of the Soviet Union from 1949. Why Has India Opted For Indigenous LCH Helicopters Over AH-64E Apache To Fight China? The...

eurasiantimes.com

This gun is the biggest crap among them all , from price to performance. Should go for more SIG 716 or AK 15 or 19.

 

[Rambo101]

>AK-19 BHETTAR THAN AK-12 AK-203 REEE

Coming from people who're not aware of whole modern AK saga,like hell what's the difference anyway ?
AK-19 IS JUST AK-12 WITH NEW SIGHTS, NEW BUTTSTOCK AND NEW ENLARGED PISTOL GRIP THAT ALSO HOUSES MAGAZINE LOCK IN IT!

Does AK 19 come in 7.62 ?

 

[Killbot]

>AK-19 BHETTAR THAN AK-12 AK-203 REEE

Coming from people who're not aware of whole modern AK saga,like hell what's the difference anyway ?
AK-19 IS JUST AK-12 WITH NEW SIGHTS, NEW BUTTSTOCK AND NEW ENLARGED PISTOL GRIP THAT ALSO HOUSES MAGAZINE LOCK IN IT!

No sir, it is an AKM with a 90 degree gas block and a furniture upgrade in 5.56.

 

[Killbot]

This gun is the biggest crap among them all , from price to performance. Should go for more SIG 716 or AK 15 or 19.

No sir, it is an AKM with a 90 degree gas block and a furniture upgrade in 5.56.