Indian Army SIG Sauer 716 assault rifle.

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Paki OFB wala's masters also take national security interests seriously, aside from running their pizzeria and ice cream chains, and chaddi-banyan brands.
Here PSU kamchors want ez employment, least kaam, most salary and benefits.
Top Brass and various babooze want phoren maal and the associated bribes, kickbacks, phoren vacations and nights with Natasha/Stacy/Rebekah/Amelie.
Govt runs clueless among all these.
Who said PSUs don’t deliver? Entire CCP MIC is PSUs only. PSUs can deliver - they just need the right motivation. For Russia, it was the Gulag, for the CCP it was labor camps. For Pakis - it was no free land and house in a posh area or cushy ambassador posts. For the US - immediate termination and loss of career. For India, it is actually rewarding for non performance, due to political compulsions of having to rely on government for jobs for millions thanks to the failed Nehruvian socialism.
 

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Who said PSUs don’t deliver? Entire CCP MIC is PSUs only. PSUs can deliver - they just need the right motivation. For Russia, it was the Gulag, for the CCP it was labor camps. For Pakis - it was no free land and house in a posh area or cushy ambassador posts. For the US - immediate termination and loss of career. For India, it is actually rewarding for non performance, due to political compulsions of having to rely on government for jobs for millions thanks to the failed Nehruvian socialism.
On the same page I have said the same, some posts below

The entire Chinese defense industry is basically PSUs only, but unlike here, failure and laziness carries consequences to everyone involved in a particular company/factory among the Chinese MIC.
You cannot strike, you cannot produce garbage rifles and yet be smug about it.
There are consequences always, the CCP wants and gets results from its MIC, because it has a long term vision of making China a great power, this military materiel plays a large role in that.
 

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[ said PSUs don’t deliver? Entire CCP MIC is PSUs only. PSUs can deliver - they just need the right motivation. For Russia, it was the Gulag, for the CCP it was labor camps. For Pakis - it was no free land and house in a posh area or cushy ambassador posts. For the US - immediate termination and loss of career. For India, it is actually rewarding for non performance, due to political compulsions of having to rely on government for jobs for millions thanks to the failed Nehruvian socialism.]
Sorry but I disagree. The Chinese MIC is not PSU, because the CCP is more akin to a board of directors at a corporation. Tencent , Alibaba all come with CCP backing. The people who run their MIC are answerable with their lives. Their MIC is NOT owned by the 'public' same way the PLA first loyalty/only is to the CCP and not China.

And it was very similar with the Soviets.

Both those are extremely poor examples, because if our country every goes to those forms of Governance we will and truely fucked.
 

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I don’t think so, G2 is heavier and expensive for no reason, thats why 716i is best option but afaik G2 would be comfortable whereas 716i is uncomfortable, no grips provided by the army.
G2 is piston operated. Makes it more reliable, but slightly less accurate. Accuracy can be ignored as it is for riflemen. But it is also much more expensive ($600 Or so), and is available only with 18" barrel. So 716i was a good option, in the sense that it is lighter and more compact.

Its smaller than INSAS, interestingly. INSAS was an oversized piece of shit.
 

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G2 is piston operated. Makes it more reliable, but slightly less accurate. Accuracy can be ignored as it is for riflemen. But it is also much more expensive ($600 Or so), and is available only with 18" barrel. Also, it has . So 716i was a good option, in the sense that it is lighter.
What's your opinion regarding AK 203, in my opinion it's the worst option among them all for it's price. is there any TOT or just screw giri ?.
 

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What's your opinion regarding AK 203, in my opinion it's the worst option among them all for it's price. is there any TOT or just screw giri ?.
Deal should be cancelled or ofb should be removed from joint venture.
There are various private company which can be used to replace ofb from existing deal.
If ofb is replaced we can get original ak203 with lower price seriously it because of ofb this AK 203 deal is in cold storage.
Tot is included but you can't expect from ofb that they will learn anything from that vanilla ak203.
As Ofb already have TAR(which is basically Bulgarian arsenal m1f41 licensed version and in capability similar to ak103).So in the end we are going in circles without gaining anything from this ak203 joint venture.
 

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What's your opinion regarding AK 203, in my opinion it's the worst option among them all for it's price. is there any TOT or just screw giri ?.
Yeah, it sucks. ToT and political shit aside, it is an AK. Means it isn't ergonomic or user friendly.

Coming to the ToT part, it makes it cost twice as much as it would imported. And Kalashnikov concern products are already overpriced for what they offer imo. So it is a crappy deal, most probably signed for political purposes.

Otoh, its being downgraded by the degenerates in OFB.
 

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What's your opinion regarding AK 203, in my opinion it's the worst option among them all for it's price. is there any TOT or just screw giri ?.
AK-19 should be procured, will be better as it will make logistics easier as it will share common ammo with Car-816 carbines and it will give a reliable platform as well as it is much modern variant of the Kalashnikov family, as AK-203 is just a modified AK-47, a FAB Kit modified AK-47 is better than an AK-203.

AK-19 has better iron sights another advantage is that it enables the soldier to carry more Ammo than a traditional 7.62x39mm round is heavier than a 5.56x45mm NATO round, whereas 5.56x45 has better accuracy, muzzle velocity etc.
 

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AK-19 should be procured, will be better as it will make logistics easier as it will share common ammo with Car-816 carbines and it will give a reliable platform as well as it is much modern variant of the Kalashnikov family, as AK-203 is just a modified AK-47, a FAB Kit modified AK-47 is better than an AK-203.

AK-19 has better iron sights another advantage is that it enables the soldier to carry more Ammo than a traditional 7.62x39mm round is heavier than a 5.56x45mm NATO round, whereas 5.56x45 has better accuracy, muzzle velocity etc.
Imo, IWI ACE in 5.56 is the ultimate AK style rifle around as of now. Only downside is that it is heavy. But I'd have loved to that in the hands of IA.

AK 19 would have been a good option as well, but not as ergonomic as ACE, not to mention its just been unveiled. Probably not in production yet. ACE is already made in India. 203 deal pisses me off to no end...
 

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AK-19 should be procured, will be better as it will make logistics easier as it will share common ammo with Car-816 carbines and it will give a reliable platform as well as it is much modern variant of the Kalashnikov family, as AK-203 is just a modified AK-47, a FAB Kit modified AK-47 is better than an AK-203.

AK-19 has better iron sights another advantage is that it enables the soldier to carry more Ammo than a traditional 7.62x39mm round is heavier than a 5.56x45mm NATO round, whereas 5.56x45 has better accuracy, muzzle velocity etc.
do we want 5.56 or 7.62 ? 5.56 has no future , even USA is moving up. Why not AK 15 or maybe new version of AK 19 which may come up with 7.62*39mm in near future.
 

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do we want 5.56 or 7.62 ? 5.56 has no future , even USA is moving up. Why not AK 15 or maybe new version of AK 19 which may come up with 7.62*39mm in near future.
USA has a habit of show off by buying the most expensive platforms, imo we should have adopted the 6.8x43mm cartridge to replace all others.
 

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do we want 5.56 or 7.62 ? 5.56 has no future , even USA is moving up. Why not AK 15 or maybe new version of AK 19 which may come up with 7.62*39mm in near future.
USA is not moving up yet. The NGSW program has about as much chance of success as previous M4 replacement programs. M4 is here to stay. Modern 5.56mm cartridges are good enough. Modern 5.56 rounds like M855A1, Mk.262 77gr, Mk. 318 62gr are the way to go. Even USMC is adopting the M27 IAR, in 5.56 and it will be around for the next 40 years. So, 5.56mm carbine was a good decision by IA.

7.62×39 has no future. We should have gone for 5.56mm AR. 5.56mm NATO, that is. This 5.56mm INSAS seems to be an underpowered round.

AK 15, AK 19 etc are just plain AKs with better furniture and new gas block. We should have gone for something like Galil ACE in 7.62mm if we were going with that cartridge. It is already made in India and I'm sure price would be lower than degenerate OFB's overpriced fraud 103 with crappy rails.
 

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