Indian Army SIG Sauer 716 assault rifle.

Sentimental Patriot

Regular Member
Joined
Jul 28, 2020
Messages
323
Likes
1,064
Country flag
Paki OFB wala doesn't do strike I guess, neither are fire,demotion and paycheck-cut proof like these OFB swines here are.
Paki army literally runs the country though, they don't have to worry about political autism and everything probably works a lot more smoothly from the bureaucratic perspective.

How long has it taken us to buy a new medium weight fighter jet? Pakis are producing dozens of JF-17s per year while we are still waiting for foreign deliveries.

Mark my words, it will take a decisive defeat at the hands of the pakis or Chinese before our babus come to their senses.
 

shade

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 28, 2016
Messages
3,023
Likes
14,723
Country flag
Paki OFB wala's masters also take national security interests seriously, aside from running their pizzeria and ice cream chains, and chaddi-banyan brands.
Here PSU kamchors want ez employment, least kaam, most salary and benefits.
Top Brass and various babooze want phoren maal and the associated bribes, kickbacks, phoren vacations and nights with Natasha/Stacy/Rebekah/Amelie.
Govt runs clueless among all these.
 

shade

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 28, 2016
Messages
3,023
Likes
14,723
Country flag
Paki army literally runs the country though, they don't have to worry about political autism and everything probably works a lot more smoothly from the bureaucratic perspective.

How long has it taken us to buy a new medium weight fighter jet? Pakis are producing dozens of JF-17s per year while we are still waiting for foreign deliveries.

Mark my words, it will take a decisive defeat at the hands of the pakis or Chinese before our babus come to their senses.
JF-17 is comparable to Tejas in matters of role.
How many Tejas have been produced till now?
Abhi bhi some people are salivating over F16 and more Rafale in place of Tejas.

Also no, Babooze, Brass, most Politicos etc don't mind defeat at the hands of chinks or pakis, they have enough kids settled in Anglophone countries and money stashed in micro states and island countries to give a damn.
 

Killbot

Regular Member
Joined
Oct 12, 2020
Messages
865
Likes
1,465
Country flag
Does anyone have any news on the AK-203? Have they started making them yet?
No, deal has not been signed yet. Still in cost negotiations, because OFB expects forces to pay 85k for that piece of shit. Minus telescoping stock, railed upper handguard and new safety selector lever. What OFB has proposed to sell to the Army for 85k with their shitty quality control would cost 30k in Russia with Kalashnikov Concern standard quality control.
 

shade

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 28, 2016
Messages
3,023
Likes
14,723
Country flag
The biggest problem is that the Indian Republic is infested by people who will do anything to enrich themselves, putting personal interests over national interests, all this is veiled by socialism, liberalism, Idea of India and other such ideological trappings.

The PakFauj aside from Looting their country atleast bothers about keeping it safe from external attacks and internal, by buying their armed forces whatever they can or producing it, and waging deniable jihad against their enemies.

The Chinese again have a strong component in the CCP that focuses on long term national interests, and every plan and action is according to their outlined national interests.
 

Sentimental Patriot

Regular Member
Joined
Jul 28, 2020
Messages
323
Likes
1,064
Country flag
No, deal has not been signed yet. Still in cost negotiations, because OFB expects forces to pay 85k for that piece of shit. Minus telescoping stock, railed upper handguard and new safety selector lever. What OFB has proposed to sell to the Army for 85k with their shitty quality control would cost 30k in Russia with Kalashnikov Concern standard quality control.
Sad.

Make in India is a joke, poor workmanship seems to be a quality of India.

If what you are saying is right, hopefully we just buy the rifle from Russia directly, there is no point in making them in India only to have them come out malfunctioning and shoddily made.
 

Sentimental Patriot

Regular Member
Joined
Jul 28, 2020
Messages
323
Likes
1,064
Country flag
The biggest problem is that the Indian Republic is infested by people who will do anything to enrich themselves, putting personal interests over national interests, all this is veiled by socialism, liberalism, Idea of India and other such ideological trappings.

The PakFauj aside from Looting their country atleast bothers about keeping it safe from external attacks and internal, by buying their armed forces whatever they can or producing it, and waging deniable jihad against their enemies.

The Chinese again have a strong component in the CCP that focuses on long term national interests, and every plan and action is according to their outlined national interests.
How much money does one realistically even need? Once you have a nice house and a car or two, what more could you possibly want?

I swear, Western nations allowing immigration is the only thing keeping a lot of 3rd world countries in check, if they were to stop it there would likely be some sort of Communist revolution.
 

Sentimental Patriot

Regular Member
Joined
Jul 28, 2020
Messages
323
Likes
1,064
Country flag
This is an OFB trait.
When will they just outsource to private companies? Didn't L&T deliver the consignment of K9 Thunder artillery ahead of schedule?

All these public sector companies need to be shut down, they have done nothing but brought shame.
 

shade

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 28, 2016
Messages
3,023
Likes
14,723
Country flag
When will they just outsource to private companies? Didn't L&T deliver the consignment of K9 Thunder artillery ahead of schedule?

All these public sector companies need to be shut down, they have done nothing but brought shame.
chota Ambani got a contract for making assorted Dassault jet components in a Dassault JV factory in Gujarat.
You saw what happened after that, the Italian mongrel was screeching for a year, and soon HAL people also started screeching like they needed the crumbs of this Dassault offsets contract.

A clusterfuck of a 10x larger size will happen if such a large order is given to a private sector corp doing JV with a Russian firm.
The price per rifle isn't actually the issue, it is the garbage OFB quality and delays and other bullshit.
Mediocrity and Laziness of the OFB is a protected right come to think about it.
 

ezsasa

Designated Cynic
Mod
Joined
Jul 12, 2014
Messages
16,386
Likes
53,565
Country flag
OFB is no match to POF.
Even if PoF is bad, you think paki fauj will allow an audit, and and that audit report be made public.

is it possible that this assumption, is based on lack of information from paki side I.e suppression of negative news.
 

shade

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 28, 2016
Messages
3,023
Likes
14,723
Country flag
The entire Chinese defense industry is basically PSUs only, but unlike here, failure and laziness carries consequences to everyone involved in a particular company/factory among the Chinese MIC.
You cannot strike, you cannot produce garbage rifles and yet be smug about it.
There are consequences always, the CCP wants and gets results from its MIC, because it has a long term vision of making China a great power, this military materiel plays a large role in that.
 

Mangal

Tihar Jail
Banned
Joined
Nov 23, 2012
Messages
634
Likes
2,068
Country flag
Sad.

Make in India is a joke, poor workmanship seems to be a quality of India.

If what you are saying is right, hopefully we just buy the rifle from Russia directly, there is no point in making them in India only to have them come out malfunctioning and shoddily made.
Hopefully..the deal gets scrapped.
 

samsaptaka

तस्मात् उत्तिष्ठ कौन्तेय युद्धाय कृतनिष्चय
Regular Member
Joined
Aug 15, 2016
Messages
594
Likes
1,733
Country flag
Even if PoF is bad, you think paki fauj will allow an audit, and and that audit report be made public.

is it possible that this assumption, is based on lack of information from paki side I.e suppression of negative news.
In a virtual military dictatorship, the least the fat ass gernails can do is look after the soldiers needs first. So I think we can give the benefit of doubt to POF !
 

Sentimental Patriot

Regular Member
Joined
Jul 28, 2020
Messages
323
Likes
1,064
Country flag
chota Ambani got a contract for making assorted Dassault jet components in a Dassault JV factory in Gujarat.
You saw what happened after that, the Italian mongrel was screeching for a year, and soon HAL people also started screeching like they needed the crumbs of this Dassault offsets contract.

A clusterfuck of a 10x larger size will happen if such a large order is given to a private sector corp doing JV with a Russian firm.
The price per rifle isn't actually the issue, it is the garbage OFB quality and delays and other bullshit.
Mediocrity and Laziness of the OFB is a protected right come to think about it.
I suppose this depends on the private firm, L&T seems to do good work judging by its performance with the K9 artillery pieces, they should be given the contract for this one and if other private firms want a piece of the pie, then they should get their house in order, this is how private enterprise and capitalism is supposed to work.
 

shade

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 28, 2016
Messages
3,023
Likes
14,723
Country flag
I suppose this depends on the private firm, L&T seems to do good work judging by its performance with the K9 artillery pieces, they should be given the contract for this one and if other private firms want a piece of the pie, then they should get their house in order, this is how private enterprise and capitalism is supposed to work.
It is not the question of the competence of the private firm, it is the drama and allegations of "Crony Capitalism" that will be levelled, and jhumlas on the lines of "Corrupt government gives contract to corporate friends instead of starving PSU " that will be spewed.
 

Latest Replies

Global Defence

New threads

Articles

Top