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fucked up but at-least army is trying to do justice.

IMHO day AFSPA gets withdrawn from kashmir . clock will start ticking down on POK

"By staging the encounter," the three accused "have purposefully destroyed evidence or real crime that they have committed and also have (been) purposefully projecting false information as part of a criminal conspiracy hatched between them with the motive to grab" cash rewards, it said.

The Army had also called Mohammed Yusuf, the father of Abrar Ahmed, from Rajouri for deposing in the court martial proceedings. "I have been here for the last one week and the Army authorities have asked for the missing report about my son which I have provided. We are being looked after by the Army and I am confident that I will get justice," he said.

Jammu and Kashmir Lieutenant Governor Manoj Sinha had visited the families in Rajouri in 2020 and conveyed to them Prime Minister Narendra Modi's message that the government stood with the aggrieved families, and they would be taken care of with all support from the government.
 

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India Army seeks domestic vendors for 3rd-generation anti-tank missile purchase
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: India’s infantry soldiers will soon get to deploy a third generation Anti-Tank Guided Missile (ATGM) designed and developed by the domestic industry, as the army seeks to identify vendors to manufacture 2,330 missiles and 101 launchers, with six simulators for training purposes.

The Indian Army has on Feb. 7 issued a Expression of Interest (EOI) and sought responses from Indian vendors by Mar. 23 to indigenously design and develop the third-generation ATGM.

Justifying the search, the army has stated that the terrain along the borders lends itself to conduct of large scale mechanised operations and the belligerence of India’s adversaries on the borders necessitate that the capability of the infantry men are increased with the modern weapon.

At present, the infantry deploys a variety of MILAN 2T ATGMS of European-origin and Russian-orign KONKURS-M ATGMs, both of which are second generation systems and have been in service for more than three decades.

“These systems are deficient in advanced technologies, primarily, the guidance parameters and capability to fight both during day and night,” the EOI document seen by Defence.Capital said. The proposed third generation ATGM will replace the MILAN and KONKURs in service with the Indian Army’s Parachute, Parachute (Special Forces) and Infantry battalions.

Only recently, India had purchased the Israeli Spike LR 4th Generation Missile from Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Limited and carried out tests at Mhow, resulting in a wordy duel between the Israeli company and the Defence Research and Development Organisation over a media statement on the test.

Globally, the armed forces have now equipped the infantry with third generation ATGM systems. In comparison with the Indian holdings, the third generation systems have better accuracy, enhanced lethality, a higher kill probability, day and night operation capability and ensure better survivability for the operating crew.

The objective of the Expression of Interest is to seek responses from eligible Indian vendors for development of prototype and future procurement of these third generation ATGM systems.

Obviously, the Indian Army aims to select as many Development Agencies as possible under the ‘Make-II‘ process of acquisition under the Defence Procurement Procedure of 2016, as updated upto Nov. 1, 2019. The procurement category would be ‘Buy Indigenously Designed, Developed and Manufactured‘ with 60 per cent indigenous content in the end product.

At the prototype development stage, to be delivered within two years, the Development Agency will supply one launcher, six missiles including two with warheads and one simulator system. At the procurement stage, the need will be 101 launchers, 2330 missiles with warhead and six simulator systems. If the development agency is to collaborate with a foreign vendor, then it must be stated clearly in the responses to the EOI.

“The weapon system is required for anti-tank and anti-structure engagements in conventional operations. A third generation ATGM system will enhance the potential of infantry to counter mechanised threat in select sectors and also employment in anti-structure roles,” the EOI document said.

“Induction of the third generation ATGM capability will augment anti-tank deterrence against armour threat on defensive positions and strengthen the anti-tank potential of infantry battalion on mechanised offensive operations.”

An appropriate engineering support package will be required for repair and maintenance of the equipment including spares, special test equipment, special maintenance tool, training, and technical literature to include user hand book, preservation instructions, complete equipment schedule, repair manual and technical manuals.

These will be provided with the equipment during the procurement phase. Details will be amplified in the commercial Request for Proposals to be issued to selected Development Agencies.

The so developed ATGMs must be suitable for employment in various terrains both day and night, with an effective 2.5-km range and having a hit probability not less than 90 per cent. Direct attack must be minimum achievable, but not more than 200 metres, while top attack is minimum achievable, but nor more than 800 metres. The missile must be compatible with both HEAT and tandem warheads, have an active/passive guidance system with lock-on before launch.

The Indian Army expects an accuracy and effectiveness against intended targets of altitudes up to 3,000 metre, with fire-and-forget, direct attack and top attack capability. The weapon system must be capable of launch from a vehicle and a ground-based platform and should include launcher systems with tripod, four missiles and day and night sighting systems to be equitably distributed among three crew members.

The expected minimum penetration to be achieved would be 600mm of Rolled Homogeneous Armour beyond Explosive Reactive Armour. The system should be capable of firing mode from man-pack condition in less than five minutes and be capable of firing a second missile within two minutes of launch of the first missile. The missile must have soft launch capability with smokeless propellant.

The missile should weigh not more than 15 kg and the launcher should weigh not more than 15 kg along with CLU battery, tripod and sighting systems.
 

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Allowing Private military contractors should also be considered alongside this Tour of Duty concept. Will help create a strong ecosystem. Territorial Army should also end.
i like private stuff,but i dont like the idea of private military in india,i have a feeling they have a chance of being a nuisance to the people and god knows if cod advanced warfare/black water stuff
 

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i like private stuff,but i dont like the idea of private military in india,i have a feeling they have a chance of being a nuisance to the people and god knows if cod advanced warfare/black water stuff
PMCs don't always fight in combat. Can very well be contractors for logistics, maintenance etc. which is mostly done in house by the military.This can save a ton of money by making space for further downsizing.
 

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I dont really support this cutting the force logic. Looking at the current threat level, we shall be maintaining the current size. During the tensions with China we stationed thousands of extra troops there, you will need a decent backup fulltime troops who can be rotated at any possible time. Also the logic of cutting the force was seen in western countries sometime back when the only war they were fighting was Gwot. Now the tensions are rising again they might look in different direction.
IIRC the Army spends something like 75% of its budget on salary and pensions - that's simply unsustainable. Also pay is only going to go up in the future.

Anyways what I'm more shocked about is they simply stopped the recruitment for past couple of years, rather than doing it in a phased manner, this just sounds crazy. Also not appointing CDS for so long, doing penny packet purchase of weapons etc. is not exactly inspiring confidence. One wonders what's going on behind the scenes.
 

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Allowing Private military contractors should also be considered alongside this Tour of Duty concept. Will help create a strong ecosystem. Territorial Army should also end.
PMCs would be useful outside our borders, but as of now we only take part in UN led "peace keeping" operations (another chutyia policy that needs to be junked).
 

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PMCs don't always fight in combat. Can very well be contractors for logistics, maintenance etc. which is mostly done in house by the military.This can save a ton of money by making space for further downsizing.
IIRC, it was an IN leader who had quoted the example of TVS handling the logistics of some leg of British Navy while he was emphasising on the need to contract out elements to the private sector to free up capacity and capital while getting the expertise in. He didn't use the term private military contractors though
 

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IIRC, it was an IN leader who had quoted the example of TVS handling the logistics of some leg of British Navy while he was emphasising on the need to contract out elements to the private sector to free up capacity and capital while getting the expertise in. He didn't use the term private military contractors though
Western militaries outsource a lot of maintainence and logistics to private contractors, who are themselves mostly ex military, which increases their tooth to tail ratio and hence their combat effectiveness without compromising the logistics and support.
Indian military has a low tooth to tail ratio which makes us not as combat effective as them. This needs to be improved through technology and outsourcing.
 

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IIRC the Army spends something like 75% of its budget on salary and pensions - that's simply unsustainable. Also pay is only going to go up in the future.

Anyways what I'm more shocked about is they simply stopped the recruitment for past couple of years, rather than doing it in a phased manner, this just sounds crazy. Also not appointing CDS for so long, doing penny packet purchase of weapons etc. is not exactly inspiring confidence. One wonders what's going on behind the scenes.
The problem is there is not much room to reduce the strength.The new initiative seems to solve the above problem while maintaining current strength.
 

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