Indian Army MRSAM

[p2prada]

So the longest range in the pipeline is of Ashwin - 150km. Still nowhere near the 400Km range of S-400. Equivalent maybe in intercept capability or seeker technology, but not in terms of range.

Do we not need 400Km SAM capability? 400km is like the distance between Chandigarh & Islamabad. Fighter taking off from Islamabad can be taken out with a SAM launch from Chandigarh.

PDV (300-400 Km range, 150 Km altitude) will have such a range. I think PAD has a 200 Km range (80 Km altitude). Even in S-400 the missile with a 400 Km range is the 40N6 which has an intercept altitude of 150-200 Km. It is a BMD missile.

There are two other missiles in S-400, one has a 120 Km range (called 9M96E, 30 Km altitude) and is equivalent to AAD (possibly 150 Km range, 30 Km altitude) while another has a 250 Km range (called 48N6, altitude 60 Km) which is equivalent to PAD.

For fighters, the 9M96E and AAD can be used. 400 Km missile is for BMD purpose.

The Americans have SM-3 with a range of 500 Km and altitude of 160 Km. Apart from PAC-3 (range 100+ Km and altitude 25-30 Km) and THAAD (range 200Km, altitude 150 Km). This is for BMD.

So AAD = 9M96E (S-400) = MIM-104F (PAC-3)
PAD = 48N6 (S-400) = RIM-174 or also called SM-6 (SAM not BMD)
PDV (not ready yet) = 40N6 (S-400) = THAAD and RIM-161 or SM-3 (AEGIS)

Later,
India will have AD-1 and AD-2.
Russia will have S-500. I suppose 3 missiles will be made again.
Both are meant for ICBMs. As of today reports indicate the Russians will tip the scale in their favour with S-500.

US, we don't know what they have planned to stop ICBMs.

Israel, Arrow-2 is equivalent to PAD.

French Aster Block 2 may be equivalent to AAD.

The problem is nobody has been able to achieve the sheer speeds Russian missiles have. Russian 40N6 missile managed speeds in excess of Mach 12 while American and Israeli missiles manage Mach 9 at most for THAAD and Arrow 2. PAD does Mach 5. Hopefully PDV changes this a little bit.

The Chinese are still importing. They will be placing orders for a downgraded export version of the S-400 while they already operate S-300 in numbers.

 

[arnabmit]

Thank you for all the information!

PDV (300-400 Km range, 150 Km altitude) will have such a range. I think PAD has a 200 Km range (80 Km altitude). Even in S-400 the missile with a 400 Km range is the 40N6 which has an intercept altitude of 150-200 Km. It is a BMD missile.

There are two other missiles in S-400, one has a 120 Km range (called 9M96E, 30 Km altitude) and is equivalent to AAD (possibly 150 Km range, 30 Km altitude) while another has a 250 Km range (called 48N6, altitude 60 Km) which is equivalent to PAD.

For fighters, the 9M96E and AAD can be used. 400 Km missile is for BMD purpose.

The Americans have SM-3 with a range of 500 Km and altitude of 160 Km. Apart from PAC-3 (range 100+ Km and altitude 25-30 Km) and THAAD (range 200Km, altitude 150 Km). This is for BMD.

So AAD = 9M96E (S-400) = MIM-104F (PAC-3)
PAD = 48N6 (S-400) = RIM-174 or also called SM-6 (SAM not BMD)
PDV (not ready yet) = 40N6 (S-400) = THAAD and RIM-161 or SM-3 (AEGIS)

Later,
India will have AD-1 and AD-2.
Russia will have S-500. I suppose 3 missiles will be made again.
Both are meant for ICBMs. As of today reports indicate the Russians will tip the scale in their favour with S-500.

US, we don't know what they have planned to stop ICBMs.

Israel, Arrow-2 is equivalent to PAD.

French Aster Block 2 may be equivalent to AAD.

The problem is nobody has been able to achieve the sheer speeds Russian missiles have. Russian 40N6 missile managed speeds in excess of Mach 12 while American and Israeli missiles manage Mach 9 at most for THAAD and Arrow 2. PAD does Mach 5. Hopefully PDV changes this a little bit.

The Chinese are still importing. They will be placing orders for a downgraded export version of the S-400 while they already operate S-300 in numbers.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Nice thread, Primarily on SAM..

You can find more info here : http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...6-indias-air-defense-system-capabilities.html

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its true Indian operational SAM range is Max 35kms..

In such situation producing more of Akash is logical..

In mean time long range sam research can continue..

 

[WMD]

@Kunal Biswas @p2prada

AFAIK India bought some S-200 systems. Are they still operational?
another thing, doesn't the IAF version of Barak-8 which is scheduled to be delivered in 2014 has a range of 120km making it a LR-SAM?

 

[Neil]

The Israel Navy will a equip itself with barak 8...


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hope to see it soon in India...!!

 

[Kunal Biswas]

It was mentioned that India has S-300V system in some of the BR article by Ex IAF officials..

I think they are operational for main cities such as Delhi and Mumbai..

 

[p2prada]

@Kunal Biswas @p2prada

AFAIK India bought some S-200 systems. Are they still operational?

Not sure.

another thing, doesn't the IAF version of Barak-8 which is scheduled to be delivered in 2014 has a range of 120km making it a LR-SAM?

Its been classified as MRSAM. The Navy calls it LRSAM.

 

[WMD]

Well, wiki lists India as a current operator of S-200 system.

SIPRI shows that India bought a Big Back radar which replaced the older Tall King radar in late 80s along with two S-200 Angara system and 40 missiles all delivered in 1989.

But I don't think they are in operation now.

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

I have heard Pakistan & Bangladesh are buying HQ-9 SAM missile from China.

 

[Payeng]

What is Astra spin-off exactly?

 

[sayareakd]

What is Astra spin-off exactly?

must be SAM.................

 

[Twinblade]

Its been classified as MRSAM. The Navy calls it LRSAM.

Barak-8 -> Indian Navy LRSAM
Barak-8 ER -> Indian Airforce MRSAM and Indian Navy ERSAM

LRSAM/Barak-8 on left MRSAM/Barak-8 ER (with additional booster) on right.

Project 15A will have Barak-8/LRSAM, Project 15B will have Barak-8 ER/ERSAM

 

[SajeevJino]

What is Astra spin-off exactly?

Not sure But ..

Mostly the Air to Air missile with some Modification can act as a Short Range SAM ..like AMRAAM in US ships and Python and Derby in Spyder System ..So they too working on Astra BVRAAM into Surface launched one

 

[p2prada]

Barak-8 -> Indian Navy LRSAM
Barak-8 ER -> Indian Airforce MRSAM and Indian Navy ERSAM

LRSAM/Barak-8 on left MRSAM/Barak-8 ER (with additional booster) on right.

Project 15A will have Barak-8, Project 15B will have Barak-8 ER/ERSAM

It's an oxymoron, isn't it?

Funny how designations differ depending on operational requirements.

 

[p2prada]

What is Astra spin-off exactly?

Something like this,
SL-AMRAAM

Surface-Launched AMRAAM (SL-AMRAAM / CLAWS) - Army Technology

or this,
NASAMS

or this,
SPYDER

 

[p2prada]

I have heard Pakistan & Bangladesh are buying HQ-9 SAM missile from China.

The export designation is FD-2000. It is a S-300 rip off, the older versions of SA-10 and early model SA-20.
The FCR is an AESA which gives it high accuracy.

No idea what missiles are available for export though. Also such SAMs are very very expensive.

 

[Payeng]

Not sure But ..

Mostly the Air to Air missile with some Modification can act as a Short Range SAM ..like AMRAAM in US ships and Python and Derby in Spyder System ..So they too working on Astra BVRAAM into Surface launched one

Something like this,
SL-AMRAAM

Surface-Launched AMRAAM (SL-AMRAAM / CLAWS) - Army Technology

or this,
NASAMS

or this,
SPYDER

So this diagram is a misrepresentation for the maximum range of SAM version of the Astra.

 

[arnabmit]

So this diagram is a misrepresentation for the maximum range of SAM version of the Astra.

Astra has 2 versions, one with 40km range and another 100km range. So I assumed SAM would be made out of the 100Km Astra.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

Going by the might of Indian experience in the field of science and technology, India should have the technology of ICBM and other missile launching technology long back. India produces some of the best scientists in the world but lack when it comes to invest in those scientists it gives to the world. I really feel helpless and petty about this pathetic state of Indian science and technology which is still not even able to produce indigenous equipment and indigenous fighters by itself and is still dependent on imports. This condition clearly tells lot about the corruption in INDIAN DEMOCRACY and the POLITICOS.....

Very bad..... Very Bad for a country like India.......