Indian Army Aviation Wing

[JBH22]

Not surprisingly, the Indian Air Force is angry at the proposal, which it terms interference in its domain. Most importantly, it is a no-trust move in the prowess of the Indian Air Force, which insists that the army should turn to it for close air support while the Indian Army is not inclined to do so.

Intra-service rivalry notorious in India well it shows stupidity of Indian topbrass

 

[ace009]

IMHO, IA should have a small "airwing" with Helos and turboprops - primarily for quick reaction and expeditionary strikes. For a real campaign or a escalated war, IAF is the only airforce that can serve the needs of the country.

 

[pmaitra]

Intra-service rivalry notorious in India well it shows stupidity of Indian topbrass

I second that.

Let IA have its own Aviation Wing, free from the whims and fancies of the IAF. Let these be helicopter gunships, ground support aircraft, transport aircraft etc..

Same applies for CRPF, CISF, RPF. Heck, even police in many countries have their own helicopters.

 

[sandeepdg]

As long as there is no official word on this, this will all just be a speculation.

Personally, I would love to see the Su-25 or the A-10 in IA. But till then, IA needs to induct gunships in big numbers. I think the IA can very well absorb around 200+ gunships.

 

[sandeepdg]

I second that.

Let IA have its own Aviation Wing, free from the whims and fancies of the IAF. Let these be helicopter gunships, ground support aircraft, transport aircraft etc..

Same applies for CRPF, CISF, RPF. Heck, even police in many countries have their own helicopters.

Absolutely. Every paramilitary organization needs to have transport and lightly armed choppers, especially the CRPF. For the kind of enemies they are fighting, they certainly need a credible air support. And so does the police in big cities.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

PARAMILITARY AIR-WING:

Paramilitary Gunship: HAL Lancer With Twin HMG/MMG

Ultra Light Helo like Robinson are gr8 for Urban operation and low budget State Police Force..

Troop Transportation and Logistics..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

INDIAN ARMY AIR-WING:

INDIAN ARMY GUNSHIP

LOGISTIC AND TROOP TRANSPORTATION

HEAVY TRANSPORTATION











Optional:

TURBO-PROPS CAS

OR

JET FOR HIGH ALTITUDE BOMBING..

 

[Adux]

Kunal,

IJT and CAS? There is a reason why A-10 and Su-25 are CAS, they can take a hell lot of punishment. IJT will have a snow ball's chance in hell in that enviornment.
Turbo props are extremely good for COIN and enemies with no MANPADS. Not so much good in a conventional fight, especially with an enemy like Pakistan and China.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Kunal,

IJT and CAS? There is a reason why A-10 and Su-25 are CAS, they can take a hell lot of punishment. IJT will have a snow ball's chance in hell in that enviornment.
Turbo props are extremely good for COIN and enemies with no MANPADS. Not so much good in a conventional fight, especially with an enemy like Pakistan and China.

IJT coz we only need Jets for LGB drops from High altitude..

Turbo Props can be used just like gunships, They can take lots of Punishment, But deliver more on cheap costs, Like PGM from high altitude so does cluster bombs..

MANPADs can bring down MI-35 and Apaches or super sonic jets, Turbo prop and all Birds use flairs for these issues..

 

[Adux]

IJT will not be and cannot be used in the same role as Su-25 or A-10.
Regarding MANPADS, Gunships and Jets are sent into such enviornment, because they counter measures for such, turbo props dont have the electrical power or real estate for such equipments.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

IJT will not be and cannot be used in the same role as Su-25 or A-10.

Regarding MANPADS, Gunships and Jets are sent into such enviornment, because they counter measures for such,turbo props dont have the electrical power or real estate for such equipments.

No they are not, you dont understand the implication in Indian scenario..
Dropping Laser Guided Bombs at high altitudes like in Kargil where High altitude was one of the problems, Turbo-props or helos cannot do such task, But a Jet can..


You can put flare countermeasure on you bike if needed..

Read For Knowledge:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_314_Super_Tucano
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_58_Pucará
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_KT-1
http://802u.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OV-10_Bronco
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_T-6_Texan_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilatus_PC-21


Counter Measure Against Heat seeking Missiles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flare_(countermeasure)

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The Air Tractor® AT-802U is an economical single engine turboprop aircraft designed for surveillance, precision strike, and rugged dirt strip utility missions. The AT-802U combines an 8,000-lb. (3,629 kg) payload and 10-hour ISR mission capability with the flexibility and responsiveness of a manned weapon system – for a fraction of the cost of unmanned aerial vehicle systems.

» Real-time eye in the sky for ground troop support
» Integrated fire control system
» Training-focused force support
» Small logistics footprint

 

[Adux]

Do you know there is a difference between the kind of electronics and quantity of it, put on a A-10 to that off a Turbo prop, and I am not talking about flares. IJT is not the answer for sure. Do tell me what is the implications on the Indian scenario

 

[Rahul Singh]

One question that comes before everything is how IAF will react to any such plan? We all know how reluctantly IAF let Army have helicopters, then Army aviation corps, then attack helicopters (LCH). If i could recall right, in late 90s and early 20s IAF had made (failed) pitch to get control over all air assets of Army and even navy. I don't think IAF will swallow any such plans easily and even if they again allow this then a question will still linger, Who will provide air escort to this CAS aircraft?

 

[Adux]

 

[Adux]

Su-25/A-10C , LCH, Heavy Combat Helicopters, Truboprop,......They have to take punishment and be rugged, that is the primary requirement of CAS

 

[Kunal Biswas]

One question that comes before everything is how IAF will react to any such plan? We all know how reluctantly IAF let Army have helicopters, then Army aviation corps, then attack helicopters (LCH). If i could recall right, in late 90s and early 20s IAF had made (failed) pitch to get control over all air assets of Army and even navy. I don't think IAF will swallow any such plans easily and even if they again allow this then a question will still linger, Who will provide air escort to this CAS aircraft?

Their are only few who denied or looking for attention..

I have mention somewhere here in forum before that in J&K IAF is very stretched, Their are little amount of IAF helos are for Casualty evacuation, All major work load is taken by Army Aviation cheetahs, I have posted some pics took by me..

This effort helps IAF to concentrate on other Issues like diverting the pilots for heavy logistical support of MI-17s, In Kargil situation was messy coz IAF was operating many types of Mission with many types of Aircraft with huge logistical support from a single airbase mainly, CAS call take 24-48 hours or never, Arty and mortar were used intensively in entire campaign..

The only change will be a article which says all major strike aircraft including gunships in IAF control, And it will change in time..



Regarding MI-25/35, IAF proposed it to IA back in 90s may be, But IA rejected as IA have no maintenance or logistical support for few MI gunships, The maintenance and flying cost were too high coz they were too few, LCH share common parts with Dhruv, So Its easy to have such gunship..

 

[agentperry]

buy anything but let it be fast and hustle free..

 

[arya]

well it will be good if we provide more teeth to our force but they should be proper arranged.

we need more power to our force , guys i wish we provide them all thing asap before it till be tooo late

i personally feel army should have more attack hele and drones specially drone

dont you think we should provide more attack hele and drone to our army

 

[Kunal Biswas]

So they have a Air Wing..