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Do the pak terrorists in Kashmir use stingers ? The reason is simple, if they do then there will be a war. Maoists though could have access to AA guns.
I used Stinger as an example only. There are lot of ways an airbase can be infiltrated and equipment can be rendered un-operational. Where will IA follow Maoists? Few hypothetical scenarios:
What if they start using Bombs in cities and started killing innocent civilians which they are not doing BTW. There is difference between terrorists and Maoists.
What if China gives them more advanced weapons, do you think India will go to war with China over that? I dont think so. Because if Indian politicians are serious, we would have already fought all out war with Pakistan by now.

When fighting the adversaries you play to your advantages.
Of course, no doubt with that. But who is adversary?
 

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Lets not blame Chinese for the ills of the state.
Of cource not. But every body responsible should be blamed whether its politicians, Chinese, Maoists.

The saying should go like this:
Politicians exploited poor people who became maoists and rebelled and China being anti Indian supported them.
So why should Indian Army kill just maoists only. Thats like you are curing the symptoms and not the disease itself. A temporary fix only. I know IA is another tool in the hands of GOI which they use in most desperate of situations. But if that happens IMHO I think Indian Army should do a Coup of GOI and over throw it even if its against the law or what ever. Law has failed already if that situation arises. Remember Maoists are not terrorists.

Ok have to go now, it was interesting discussion while sitting in the comfort of my bed room....
 
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I used Stinger as an example only. There are lot of ways an airbase can be infiltrated and equipment can be rendered un-operational. Where will IA follow Maoists? Few hypothetical scenarios:
Does not necessarily have to be IAF. It could be Army Aviation or even CRPF choppers. They will go anywhere intelligence indicates. They will go wherever air-support is request by ground troops.

What if they start using Bombs in cities and started killing innocent civilians which they are not doing BTW. There is difference between terrorists and Maoists.
Ok, so aren't there enough bombs going off in cities already? Moreover, what do you mean? For fear of our cities getting bombed, we don't counter the Maoists? Is there any guarantee that they will not attack our cities anyways?

What if China gives them more advanced weapons, do you think India will go to war with China over that? I dont think so. Because if Indian politicians are serious, we would have already fought all out war with Pakistan by now.
Do you have any tangible evidence that China is helping the Maoists? It could be, but the question is, do you have any evidence? (Don't tell me they are both communists. If that is going to be your simple logic, then you will have to explain why USSR and China fought a border war.) Most of the weapons used by the Maoists are shotguns, single barreled rifles, RFI Enfields, RFI Kalashnikov Clones and INSAS, all stolen from Indian security personnel AND mines made out of mainly explosives stolen or procured from mining facilities in the mineral rich regions in the Chhota-Nagpur Plateau.


Of course, no doubt with that. But who is adversary?
Anyone who is fighting against either the State or the Union of States. However, there are adversaries like those who lend a voice to these Maoists but do not literally fight a war on the ground, like Arundhati Roy, Swami Agivesh, Mamata Banerjee, Medha Patkar, Kabir Suman. They need to be tackled in a different way and is quite off topic when we are talking about CAS aircraft.
 
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Yes but the question is where you draw the line. To me Pakistani Army is pathetic for what they are doing to their own people on behest on Americans (Other insignificant jokers in NATO don't matter) in northern areas namely FATA. Taliban is their own creation. Similarly Maoists are creation of Indian system, like it or not. Politicians are washing their own hands for the mess they have created and want IA and IAF do their dirty work. I am sorry but I cant agree with that.
Shaka, then why are Maoists blowing up railways, transport system, roads etc? If they want development, what will blowing up do? Your arguments are getting shallower for supporting Maoists. Thousands of women have become widows as their husbands have been blown to bits. Communist scum is easy to talk of sitting in some part of Western or northern India. But here in east, people have to deal with this bitter truth everyday. It takes more than just guts to live in this part of the country with such attacks all around a person than being "intellectually right and politically correct" to the extent that it spells doom for India as a country.

Communism and the dirty mentality of oppression that it brings with itself is a threat to the free lives of people of India, no matter how many of hypocrites bleed their heart for these terrorists. Such ungrateful apologists who support Maoists forget that if this were a Maoist system and they spoke against them, they'd be sliced to bits and thrown in forests. Instead of thanking the free political structure, such bigots support terrorism through media and IMO must be handed the same treatment as an active terrorist gets.

There are poor people world around; our ex-president as a slum dweller; Dhirubhai Ambani was a petrol pump worker; did they pick up arms and start killing their own countrymen? There are dozens of such examples all over our great country where people have come up despite numerous impossible odds. Then why the hell can't these Maoists earn? Because they're greedy b@st@ards and want to blame their miseries upon others. Terrorism is no excuse to such corruption. These scumbags have no B@lls to go and attack the ministers who ruined their lives but attack Indian officers and fellow civilians under a corrupt alien and non-Indian ideology of Left Communism that has only left death and destruction wherever it has gone and history is the evidence of it.

So once, brother, stop being politically correct and start understanding the stark danger, and if this is your opinion still then I advise you to stay in naxal affected areas and have the courage to stand against them by living in this dark reality daily. It is easy to talk when you're given all the freedom to; but difficult to live it up.
 

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http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20101103/edit.htm#7

Revving up the airborne force multiplier
Vijay Mohan

Plans are formulated, future scenarios envisioned, policy papers drafted and issues debated, but on-ground implementation, more often then not, gets bogged down in turf battles, financial constraints, bureaucratic wrangles, indecisiveness and other detrimental factors so commonly associated with the procurement of weapons.

This also seems to be the case with Army Aviation Corps (AAC), in existence for almost a quarter of a century., but still to take off as a full-fledged combat arm that can effectively provide the complete ambit of air support to ground formations or facilitate rapid troop redeployment within a tactical battle zone.

Air power is the dominating force in the battlefield, not only being the eyes and ears of commanders, but also adding a devastating punch to formations' firepower and enhancing logistic capability. Army's aviation units have the advantage of firepower, speed and flexibility, greatly enhancing the field formations' combat effectiveness and the ability to strike in the enemy's depth with little forewarning.

The much-needed expansion and restructuring of the Corps been floundering over the years and the bulk of its assets - the Cheetah and Chetak helicopters -- are obsolete. Acquisition of 197 utility helicopters to replace the aging fleet, the contenders for which include Kamov, Eurocopter and Agusta-Westland, remains mired in technical and bureaucratic muddle.

AAC was raised in 1986 with transfer of the Air Observation Posts from the Regiment of Artillery to form a new corps. It has now 35 Recce and Observation Flights forming 11 squadrons. The only contemporary machine in its inventory is the HAL-made Dhruv, with the French-origin Cheetah and Chetak being of 60s and 70s vintage. Some Cheetahs were upgraded to the Lancer configuration, giving them a marginally enhanced operational capability. It has no medium-lift helicopters or fixed-wing assets.

Tasks envisioned for army aviation are onerous. These are engagement of fixed and mobile targets and fire support to ground forces, reconnaissance and observation, electronic and visual surveillance, provision of airborne command posts, monitoring nuclear, chemical and biological environment, casualty evacuation, communications and logistic support and airlift of troops.

Most of the vital tasks, at present, are carried out by the air force, which maintains and operates attack as well as medium helicopters like Mi-25/35 and Mi-8/17. Some IAF Chetaks also have anti-armour capabilities.

At the conceptual and operation levels, the IAF and AAC are vastly different. The IAF, perceiving itself as an emerging aerospace force through exploiting the realm of outer atmosphere for achieving military objectives, is a strategic force, trained and oriented for missions beyond borders and operations across the entire spectrum of conflict covering the total theatre(s) of war.

On the other hand, AAC is concerned with tactical operations within limited geographical areas and is primarily intended as force-multipliers for field commanders and give them the desired punch and operational flexibility within their area of responsibility. AAC was also conceived to free air force assets to concentrate on achieving the larger strategic objectives.

Given the size of the Army -- six operational commands, 13 corps, three armoured divisions, 32 infantry divisions, two artillery divisions and eight independent armoured brigades, ACC's strength of 200-odd helicopters is, as reiterated often by experts, grossly inadequate.

Besides numbers, deficiencies AAC suffers from include lack of all-weather and night capability, absence of dedicated attack helicopters so vital for fire support, negligible tactical airlift capability and non-availability of electronic surveillance equipment.

Further, the army's involvement in counter-insurgency, anti-terrorist operations and low-intensity conflict had placed added demands on the AAC, but with little wherewithal to meet them. Material and technical constraints notwithstanding, men of the ACC have performed commendably in all operational environments.

Mid and long-term perspective plans to restructure and expand its aviation corps have been drawn up, which include raising aviation brigades at the command and corps level, with each strike formation having its own independent air assets for attack, surveillance and communications.

A special operations squadron is also stated to be on the cards for dedicated air support to the Special Forces or extraordinary missions. Next is a electronic warfare flight to exploit the electromagnetic spectrum for battlefield superiority.

Restructuring is to be backed with new acquisitions, including the proposed 197 utility helicopters, additional squadrons of Dhruvs, including its armed version, medium lift choppers like the Mi-17, tactical battle field support helicopters and, in the long run, light fixed wing aircraft for surveillance and communications. Improvements in its capabilities are focused at achieving all-weather day and night capability, precision strike capability, ability to rapidly induct and de-induct troops and enhancing logistic support capability in high altitude areas. Besides induction of new generation aircraft, it would also require a close look at issues like manpower, training, infrastructure, technical support and maintenance.

As the security environment remains in a flux, the challenge before the AAC is two-fold - have the capability to execute its mandate in a fast-paced convectional war fought in a network centric environment in the back drop of a nuclear threat, and secondly, have the ability to support ground forces in low intensity war or anti-terrorist operations in a varied terrain including mountains, jungles and built-up areas. It would also not be out of place to mention that India's security interests are not just limited to the sub-continent, but encompass central Asia and the Indian Ocean Region and, if experts are to be believed, necessitate force projection and expeditionary operations that would require aerial assets.

If the AAC, so vital for battlefield dominance, is to meet its envisioned charter then there must be a holistic approach and a concerted effort to restructure the force in consonance with the emerging security paradigm and suitably equip it with state-of-the art weapons and logistic platforms.
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http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20101103/edit.htm#7

Revving up the airborne force multiplier
Vijay Mohan

Plans are formulated, future scenarios envisioned, policy papers drafted and issues debated, but on-ground implementation, more often then not, gets bogged down in turf battles, financial constraints, bureaucratic wrangles, indecisiveness and other detrimental factors so commonly associated with the procurement of weapons.

This also seems to be the case with Army Aviation Corps (AAC), in existence for almost a quarter of a century., but still to take off as a full-fledged combat arm that can effectively provide the complete ambit of air support to ground formations or facilitate rapid troop redeployment within a tactical battle zone.

Air power is the dominating force in the battlefield, not only being the eyes and ears of commanders, but also adding a devastating punch to formations' firepower and enhancing logistic capability. Army's aviation units have the advantage of firepower, speed and flexibility, greatly enhancing the field formations' combat effectiveness and the ability to strike in the enemy's depth with little forewarning.

The much-needed expansion and restructuring of the Corps been floundering over the years and the bulk of its assets - the Cheetah and Chetak helicopters -- are obsolete. Acquisition of 197 utility helicopters to replace the aging fleet, the contenders for which include Kamov, Eurocopter and Agusta-Westland, remains mired in technical and bureaucratic muddle.

AAC was raised in 1986 with transfer of the Air Observation Posts from the Regiment of Artillery to form a new corps. It has now 35 Recce and Observation Flights forming 11 squadrons. The only contemporary machine in its inventory is the HAL-made Dhruv, with the French-origin Cheetah and Chetak being of 60s and 70s vintage. Some Cheetahs were upgraded to the Lancer configuration, giving them a marginally enhanced operational capability. It has no medium-lift helicopters or fixed-wing assets.

Tasks envisioned for army aviation are onerous. These are engagement of fixed and mobile targets and fire support to ground forces, reconnaissance and observation, electronic and visual surveillance, provision of airborne command posts, monitoring nuclear, chemical and biological environment, casualty evacuation, communications and logistic support and airlift of troops.

Most of the vital tasks, at present, are carried out by the air force, which maintains and operates attack as well as medium helicopters like Mi-25/35 and Mi-8/17. Some IAF Chetaks also have anti-armour capabilities.

At the conceptual and operation levels, the IAF and AAC are vastly different. The IAF, perceiving itself as an emerging aerospace force through exploiting the realm of outer atmosphere for achieving military objectives, is a strategic force, trained and oriented for missions beyond borders and operations across the entire spectrum of conflict covering the total theatre(s) of war.

On the other hand, AAC is concerned with tactical operations within limited geographical areas and is primarily intended as force-multipliers for field commanders and give them the desired punch and operational flexibility within their area of responsibility. AAC was also conceived to free air force assets to concentrate on achieving the larger strategic objectives.

Given the size of the Army -- six operational commands, 13 corps, three armoured divisions, 32 infantry divisions, two artillery divisions and eight independent armoured brigades, ACC's strength of 200-odd helicopters is, as reiterated often by experts, grossly inadequate.

Besides numbers, deficiencies AAC suffers from include lack of all-weather and night capability, absence of dedicated attack helicopters so vital for fire support, negligible tactical airlift capability and non-availability of electronic surveillance equipment.

Further, the army's involvement in counter-insurgency, anti-terrorist operations and low-intensity conflict had placed added demands on the AAC, but with little wherewithal to meet them. Material and technical constraints notwithstanding, men of the ACC have performed commendably in all operational environments.

Mid and long-term perspective plans to restructure and expand its aviation corps have been drawn up, which include raising aviation brigades at the command and corps level, with each strike formation having its own independent air assets for attack, surveillance and communications.

A special operations squadron is also stated to be on the cards for dedicated air support to the Special Forces or extraordinary missions. Next is a electronic warfare flight to exploit the electromagnetic spectrum for battlefield superiority.

Restructuring is to be backed with new acquisitions, including the proposed 197 utility helicopters, additional squadrons of Dhruvs, including its armed version, medium lift choppers like the Mi-17, tactical battle field support helicopters and, in the long run, light fixed wing aircraft for surveillance and communications. Improvements in its capabilities are focused at achieving all-weather day and night capability, precision strike capability, ability to rapidly induct and de-induct troops and enhancing logistic support capability in high altitude areas. Besides induction of new generation aircraft, it would also require a close look at issues like manpower, training, infrastructure, technical support and maintenance.

As the security environment remains in a flux, the challenge before the AAC is two-fold - have the capability to execute its mandate in a fast-paced convectional war fought in a network centric environment in the back drop of a nuclear threat, and secondly, have the ability to support ground forces in low intensity war or anti-terrorist operations in a varied terrain including mountains, jungles and built-up areas. It would also not be out of place to mention that India's security interests are not just limited to the sub-continent, but encompass central Asia and the Indian Ocean Region and, if experts are to be believed, necessitate force projection and expeditionary operations that would require aerial assets.

If the AAC, so vital for battlefield dominance, is to meet its envisioned charter then there must be a holistic approach and a concerted effort to restructure the force in consonance with the emerging security paradigm and suitably equip it with state-of-the art weapons and logistic platforms.
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A10 T2s are too much of a risk against man-portable SAMs.
 

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i totally disagree that a jet can be used in maoist areas . IAF has clearly mentioned that they are only opting choppers & drones which can be used very easily
 

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it took months for MoD to clear a file pertaining to fire by IAF choppers at maoist in self defence how many years will it take to clear A-10 file...any idea...??:emot158:

A-10 are mainly used for supporting ground ops then why cant we use choppers...??i mean Apache will do the same job with better accuracy than A-10 can....i stand corrected....!!
 
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We don't need a mini AF for Army. Though the Army aviation must be expanded with Dhruv gunships and that's what is the plan. LCH's biggest customer is not IAF but IA; 116 units of first batch ordered as compared to 70 of IAF. This means that Army aviation is expanding. :)
 

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We don't need a mini AF for Army. Though the Army aviation must be expanded with Dhruv gunships and that's what is the plan. LCH's biggest customer is not IAF but IA; 116 units of first batch ordered as compared to 70 of IAF. This means that Army aviation is expanding. :)
@Tshering,
Look back some pages u will get why i argue abt having few squadrons of CAS..

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Kunal, I understand that IA thought of getting a dedicated CAS wing for itself but that is where IAF becomes redundant in any war in such a case. The whole purpose of IAF is to provide air cover, dominate air space and maintain air superiority over Indian airspace, denying enemy any aerial advantage. The solution to Kargil like situations and future war is what tri-services have been training all these 10 years after Kargil war: Synchronized warfare between all 3 forces that are controlled by a joint command in case of a war, rather than individual deployment.

No army on earth operates its own CAS fighters. And this is what makes IAF useless if IA operated everything. Even the Warthogs that US uses is by USAF. Therefore, leave heavy air power to IAF and let the IA have helo arm enhanced. From the stats that have been shown here, IA lacks even sufficient transport aircraft meaning that ALH Dhruvs are BADLY needed ASAP to replace Cheetahs and Chetaks. Without the presence of Dhruv gunships AAC is weak. This has to be filled in the coming 5-10 years. LCH Dhruv is built to fly in the most ruthless and unforgiving airspace on the planet--the Himalayan airspace. I can tell that once that helo is out, other countries would be queuing up to get for their militaries as well. It can easily handle Kargil like situation which was a problem for Mi-35s because of their limited ceiling (10-12,000 feet, the height of Himachal range, far below Kashmir's and Sikkim's). The same goes for Mi-8s and Mi-17s that had limited service ceiling resulting in being shot by MANPADS supplied by Pakistanis to terrorists and disguised PA officers, forcing IA to call IAF Mirages and MiGs.

This concern we can eliminate once LCH Dhruvs come in thick. Their operating ceiling is twice-- well above what is needed in Kargil and Siachen on full payload. It is even equipped with oxygen generator systems (found on fighters commonly) since altitude will be a problem for gunship pilots. :)
 

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Kunal, I understand that IA thought of getting a dedicated CAS wing for itself but that is where IAF becomes redundant in any war in such a case. The whole purpose of IAF is to provide air cover, dominate air space and maintain air superiority over Indian airspace, denying enemy any aerial advantage. The solution to Kargil like situations and future war is what tri-services have been training all these 10 years after Kargil war: Synchronized warfare between all 3 forces that are controlled by a joint command in case of a war, rather than individual deployment.
The Tri-service also made numerous exercise before 1999, actually since 80s, The Problem is that i have mentioned before is getting the green Light, The order goes out from the field take to much time to get the necessary authorization for operation on the field, In kargil Soldiers have to wait 48-72 hours for a single air-strike, In casualty evacuation IAF works good but always in pressure coz IA choppers are few putting other tasks aside like combat patrol and reconnaissance.. Hence IA need to focus not only strike but transport too..

Some Pics i took on the field ( Casualty evacuation ):






No army on earth operates its own CAS fighters. And this is what makes IAF useless if IA operated everything. Even the Warthogs that US uses is by USAF. Therefore,
How could u forget abt USMC.. ?
The forefront of any assault by US is done by Marine core..
I have studied their way of attacks and its very successful as Marines have their own A-10 / Cobra Gun-ships / Now they will have Turbo-props..

leave heavy air power to IAF and let the IA have helo arm enhanced.
Indeed, IAF is leading the Air-power, But studying Kargil war, we have learned that its Important to have few CAS squadrons, It helps to save many soldiers life..
We lost many Lives in Kargil coz Air-force was called in after a month, Even when arrived the were heavily under-pressured while doing combat sorties, Many times we were denied for CAS!, They use same Airfield for multiple aircrafts for multiple missions, Some time reconnaissance, Some time escort and CAS..

The advantages of ARMY CAS air-crafts..

1. Air-force can work independently on tasks like Air - Supremacy, High alt - reconnaissance, SEAD, limited PGM strike, and strategic strikes..

2. Low reaction time for soldiers on field from days to hours, and Hours to min SAVING men..

3. No intervention from other branches..

Many more..


From the stats that have been shown here, IA lacks even sufficient transport aircraft meaning that ALH Dhruvs are BADLY needed ASAP to replace Cheetahs and Chetaks. Without the presence of Dhruv gunships AAC is weak. This has to be filled in the coming 5-10 years. LCH Dhruv is built to fly in the most ruthless and unforgiving airspace on the planet--the Himalayan airspace. I can tell that once that helo is out, other countries would be queuing up to get for their militaries as well. It can easily handle Kargil like situation which was a problem for Mi-35s because of their limited ceiling (10-12,000 feet, the height of Himachal range, far below Kashmir's and Sikkim's). The same goes for Mi-8s and Mi-17s that had limited service ceiling resulting in being shot by MANPADS supplied by Pakistanis to terrorists and disguised PA officers, forcing IA to call IAF Mirages and MiGs.
The whole Army aviation is of 80s, It need immediate up gradation not only Choppers but CAS aircraft both Turbo-props and Jets, We still fly Chopper with no flairs, that's what got our aircraft in Kargil, Even IAF was forced to equipped Migs with Flairs after a Mig-27 was shot down!, So its not PA stingers but our own negligence, Again if we had Army CAS aircraft we would have known abt the thread..

concern we can eliminate once LCH Dhruvs come in thick. Their operating ceiling is twice-- well above what is needed in Kargil and Siachen on full payload. It is even equipped with oxygen generator systems (found on fighters commonly) since altitude will be a problem for gunship pilots. :)
LCH is a gunship can engage Enemy with light weapons at high altitudes, Coz more high less payload!
LCH will destroy enemy bunkers with LAHATs and 20mm gun, But a CAS jet like SU-25/HAWK/AJT-36 can drop a 1000lbs PGM at relatively same price..

Even turbo-props are half the cost of a gunship can do this job ( Not on high altitude )..
 
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Kunal what do you think of exclusive helicopter born troops for fast in and out.
 

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Kunal what do you think of exclusive helicopter born troops for fast in and out.
I know you didn't ask me the question, but I'll take the liberty to provide my humble opinion.

Helicopter borne troops are very useful in the event there is requirement for any quick induction of reinforcements as well a MEDEVAC. Moreover, helicopter borne troops are often used in patrol, protecting convoys and assisting ground operations.

This technique was extensively used in Afghanistan by the Soviet Army (Mil-24), and it is very relevant to India since India also has plenty of these formidable machines. Towards the later part of the Soviet-Mujahideen War in Afghanistan, they used these Mil-24s without any troops in its troop compartment because they had problems taking off in the high altitudes, and used Mil-17s for troop transport. In low altitudes, this is not a problem. If India plans to use helicopter borne troops, they will have to ensure that these troop carriers, say ALH, are also escorted by the, say LCH, because, unilke Mil-24, which is a combo of assault and troop transport, these ALH and LCH are specifically designed for troop transport and assault, respectively. This is quite similar to the US approach in Vietnam.
 
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Army Transport Helicopters Deal - Boeing Offers CH-47 Chinook Heavy-lift Helicopters

Boeing, a leading American defense and aerospace company, has offered India the CH-47 Chinook heavy lift helicopters in response to a Ministry of Defence Request-for-Proposal (RFP) for 15 transport helicopters for the Indian Army.

Confirming exclusively to India Defence (www.indiadefence.in), Dr. Vivek Lall, Vice President, Boeing Defense, Space and Security, India said:

"We also responded to the RFP for 15 transport helicopters with our CH-47 Chinook. We believe the CH-47 Chinook offers India a powerful workhorse helicopter, as capable in supporting the Indian Army in rugged high-altitude outposts, as it will help build India's infrastructure and bringing life-saving relief supplies to victims of natural disasters. Chinooks will offer India heavy-lift and high-altitude transportation for multitude of military, humanitarian, rescue, disaster relief, fire-fighting and nation-building missions in all climates and conditions and altitudes. They are ideally suited for India's vast distances, austere environments and high altitudes."
-- Dr. Vivek Lall

The Boeing CH-47 Chinook is a twin-engine, tandem rotor heavy-lift helicopter. Its top speed of 170 knots (196 mph, 315 km/h) was faster than contemporary utility and attack helicopters of the 1960s. It is one of the few aircraft of that era that is still in production and front line service with over 1,179 built to date.

Its primary roles include troop movement, artillery emplacement and battlefield resupply. It has a wide loading ramp at the rear of the fuselage and three external-cargo hooks. Chinooks have been sold to 16 nations with the US Army and the Royal Air Force being the largest users and it has seen action in the Vietnam war, Iran-Iraq war, Falklands war and is currently in operation in Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4839
 

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Indian Army Eyes Larger Aviation Corps

The Indian army wants to expand its aviation corps and has asked the government to give it full control over all tactical air assets in the battlefield, including transport, observation and attack flights.The request sets up a potentially explosive roles and missions battle with the Indian air force, which administers both the country's attack helicopter squadrons and most tactical lift helicopter squadrons. But army officials feel their tactical flexibility is encumbered by this arrangement and are once again appealing to the government to change the balance of power.

If the army has its way, the fleet is likely to see the introduction of more helicopters across the board, as well as fixed-wing assets.

"The coming decade will see the first time that the army operates anti-armor and infantry support helicopters, so far exclusively the domain of the air force," says an aviation corps officer currently deployed on an Alouette-II flight in Leh, the world's highest airfield. "The thought process is simple," he adds, "tactical battlefield assets need to be under the army's operational command. It makes fighting the war more efficient."

Even without the larger mandate, the army has a long aviation modernization agenda.

Army planners are close to finalizing a staff requirement for tactical fixed-wing transport, an effort that could be announced shortly. What is not certain is whether that process will yield to a procurement, since efforts in the past by the army to field such an asset have been blocked. However, army sources say that the case is stronger this time, with statistics showing that even the air force's transport fleet is stretched, especially in the Northern and Eastern theaters.

Indications are that the army will look at light transports of the Dornier Do-228 class, license built by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) at its Kanpur facility. Sources indicated, however, that the army could look at larger aircraft as well.

More near term, the service plans to begin replacing its fleet of around 160 license-built Alouette IIs and IIIs with the winner of the ongoing competition for a light reconnaissance and surveillance helicopter. The army is currently in the final stretch of an exercise to choose between Eurocopter's militarized AS550C3 Fennec and the Russian Kamov Ka-226.

The army will also receive an unconfirmed number of helicopters from HAL's concept light utility helicopter program. The army has asked HAL to concurrently develop an armed version.

The service also is due to receive 150 indigenously developed Dhruv helicopters, a substantial number of which will be the weaponized Dhruv-WSI currently in trials. The army is putting pressure on HAL to accelerate the fielding of that version.

Furthermore, the army may become the second customer for HAL's Light Combat Helicopter (LCH), also in testing. The air force is the lead customer, and HAL officials have been reluctant to discuss the army's potential interest owing to the interservice rivalry. Indian army sources suggest, however, that the aviation corps will induct 25-30 of the rotorcraft starting around 2013-14.

A second prototype of the LCH has joined the flight-test program, and will be on display at the Aero India 2011 air show and defense exhibition outside Bengalaru.

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I think the IAF should transfer all its helicopters to the Army, or at least all the gunships and the troop transport ones. The USAF also operates helicopters in support roles only, not combat roles. All gunships are with the US Army and the Marine Corps.
 

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I think the IAF should transfer all its helicopters to the Army, or at least all the gunships and the troop transport ones. The USAF also operates helicopters in support roles only, not combat roles. All gunships are with the US Army and the Marine Corps.
Naik will get a heart attack if that is done.:lol:. Getting serious, I think that IAF should have only transport helicopters for troop deployments, evacuation and disaster relief while all the attack helos should go to IA since IA is likely to use the gunships for CAS in the theater.

The reason IMO why IAF is so adamant about managing everything Air related is because it has a very small role in Indian military as a whole compared to Army and Navy. Allow me to elaborate. There are 3 main types of armed branches that various countries have one of these as their main priority. Let me list here:

ARMY FOCUS

- Russia
- China
- India
- Nepal
- Vietnam
- Pakistan
- Bangladesh
- Thailand
- Iran
- Germany
- Poland
- South Africa
- Turkey
- Kazakhstan
- Ukraine

NAVY FOCUS

- U.S.A
- Canada
- Australia
- Malaysia
- Indonesia
- Japan
- Brazil
- France
- UK
- New Zealand
- Portugal

AIR FORCE FOCUS

- Israel
- Singapore
- South Korea
- Sweden
- Czech Republic
- Spain
- Italy
- Greece
- Norway

By this, I mean that though all have these 3, they have a special focus on 1 specific branch. India as you can see, has most focus on Army just like many others. This is mainly due to the terrain, altitude and the kind of threats we face that cannot be solved by air-bombing them to oblivion. Air superiority is critical but IAF gets often side-lined compared to the "Lion's Share" that Army gets. This is in the upper half of India. Lower half of India, Navy calls all the shots from transport aircraft, coastal surveillance, off-shore island base command, strategy to management.

Though IAF has a larger budget than IN, it still has lesser "command region". This is perhaps the reason why IAF is more rigid on not relinquishing their role in too many areas to other branches.
 

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