Indian Army Aviation Wing

[Adux]

We are buying MIG from them in Navy, They seems to be fine.

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They are late, the next lot is rumoured to be more expensive. There are various examples of shoddy work, Russian Armed Forces have been planning and planning but without any fund allocation or any real work. Its all just news bytes.

That is there we cannot do much abt it..

Its better for IAF and Indian tax payer, if they avoid HAL.

That is USAF not USMC, The best analysis & Study of a Independent fighting forces to fight in all dimension is no better than USMC

huh?USMC do not use the A-10, its exclusively done by the USAF(something for IA to ponder), USMC uses F/A-18D, AV-8B, Helicopters for CAS, They dont use the A-10/Su-25 type of aircraft.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

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They are late, the next lot is rumoured to be more expensive. There are various examples of shoddy work, Russian Armed Forces have been planning and planning but without any fund allocation or any real work. Its all just news bytes.

Its better for IAF and Indian tax payer, if they avoid HAL.

huh?USMC do not use the A-10, its exclusively done by the USAF(something for IA to ponder), USMC uses F/A-18D, AV-8B, Helicopters for CAS, They dont use the A-10/Su-25 type of aircraft.

HAL is not bad as one see, Rumors are plenty in air if you listen everything and believe it only do damage..

USMC used fixed wing assets which increase the speed of any operations, Independently..

 

[JBH22]

With a Jaguar which has longer legs ie more range we can have much more
FLEXIBILITY in REAL Time situations

A Su 25 will have to return ASAP because of its limited combat radius

If 2 Jaguars have taken off on a CAS mission and Ground station informs them of a JUICY target
that has appeared nearby ; 100 km away from their originally intended targets
SAY a convoy of Trucks or missile silos being readied then Jaguars can go attack
the NEW target first as a PRIORITY

Then if some bombs are left then the Jaguars can bomb their original targets and come home

All in a days work

This is what Net work Centric Warfare is ie Targetting on a real Time basis and on the basis
of New and Emerging Priorities

Jaguar is a deep penetration strike aircraft while SU-25 is CAS plane its role is to support troops on the battlefield hence the limited radius plus its legendary reliability.....

 

[ace009]

HAL is not bad as one see, Rumors are plenty in air if you listen everything and believe it only do damage..

USMC used fixed wing assets which increase the speed of any operations, Independently..

And the USMC uses the V-22 Osprey for limited CAS.

 

[Adux]

HAL is not bad as one see, Rumors are plenty in air if you listen everything and believe it only do damage..

USMC used fixed wing assets which increase the speed of any operations, Independently..

USMC uses AV-8B, simply because A-10 isnt LHA and Carrier capable. USMC is centered around their LHA Expeditionary Fighting Force.


I am connected with inner working of Defense companies through couple of contacts. Indian Air Force have no problem in giving how much ever money to HAL, as it is a PSU. HAL's modus operand is to charge 150-200% on top of the actual cost, this increases their topline by quite a bit in their quest to be asia's largest defense company, all the while, they sub contract in multiple packets to different companies, this where there are cuts and kickbacks. So HAL gets the tag as high net worth company, it enjoys total monopoly over anything in India in its field, so contracts are assured, and they get crores in kick backs.

Indian Air Force and Indian Tax paper is taken for a ride by HAL.

 

[Iamanidiot]

@ADUX
Only a true mallu will know the conning inside a defence company

 

[Adux]

And the USMC uses the V-22 Osprey for limited CAS.

No.That is not CAS. It has just one window gunner!

 

[Adux]

@ADUX
Only a true mallu will know the conning inside a defence company

HAL is the Dawood of Indian defense establishments.

 

[ace009]

Which is why HAL should be privatized and serious competitors (NAL in public sector and Tata/ Mahindra in private sector) should come up. Also India should invite foreign companies like Boeing, BAE, SAAB and Dassault to setup subsidiaries in India.

 

[SpArK]

Army in pursuit of winged dream

Army in pursuit of winged dream
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Nov 23, 2011


New Delhi: The Indian Air Force may crib all it wants, but the Army is pressing on regardless - with its plans to have its own air force, albeit a 'mini' one. Fighter jets may not be on its wish-list, but the 1.13-million strong force wants everything else, from attack helicopters to fixed-wing aircraft.


Army's long-term plans include a squadron each of attack/armed, reconnaissance/observation and tactical battle-support copters for each of its 13 corps. The three 'strike' corps, with HQs at Mathura (1 Corps), Ambala (2 Corps) and Bhopal (21 Corps) will get more 'air assets' in keeping with their primary offensive role, say sources.


To top it off, each of Army's six regional or operational commands will at least get 'a flight' of five fixed-wing aircraft for tactical airlift of troops and equipment. "Army Aviation Corps, which is observing its 25th anniversary this month and operates around 250 light helicopters, has plans till the end of the 14th Plan (2022-27)," said a source.


In the short to medium term, AAC plans to induct 259 light-utility and observation helicopters to replace its ageing Cheetah and Chetak fleets that service Siachen, Kargil and other high-altitude areas.



Army Aviation Corps also wants 140 multi-role tactical battle-support helicopters to provide 'integral tactical lift to its formations' and 114 light combat helicopters that are being developed indigenously.


Army is slated to get its first-ever attack helicopter squadron by February-March. These copters will be weaponized versions of indigenous Dhruv advanced light helicopters, called the Rudra, armed with 20mm turret guns, 70mm rockets, air-to-air missiles and anti-tank guided missiles.


Army and Indian Air Force have long been engaged in the bitter dogfight over 'air assets', which erupted even during the 1999 Kargil conflict. The persistent turf war forced defence minister A K Antony to call for a ceasefire, maintaining the two forces should work in synergy by reconciling differences.


Holding that IAF does not fully comprehend its operational philosophy and concepts like 'close air support' or 'nuances of the tactical battle area', Army says it wants 'full command and control' over 'tactical air assets' for rapid deployment.


IAF contends 'air assets' are 'scarce resources' that should be handled by a force with operational expertise and requisite 'air-mindedness'. But Army is unconvinced.


Itfeels the IAF can continue with its larger 'strategic role' and the 'tactical role' should be left to it.


For one, AAC aviators and engineers are drawn from Army combat arms, like infantry, mechanized infantry, armoured corps, air defence and artillery.




Army in pursuit of winged dream - The Times of India

 

[communismforindia]

Good decision by the army, I also think its high time to modernize the indian police... everything from police stations.. to their cars.. also, each major city should have atleast 3 police dhruv helicopters and 50 emergency ambulace

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The article itself more like nonsense..

Their is no ego war here, If needed it should be given thats the moto..



According to the Article made in 80s need to be modify, That it is..

Media is at its best trying to portrait Inter Arms war to level of no sense ..

 

[Neil]

the army can have its own heli gunship but fixed wing aircraft...its a bad decision....army has better things to do than spend money on such assets...!

 

[p2prada]

The article itself more like nonsense..

Their is no ego war here, If needed it should be given thats the moto..



According to the Article made in 80s need to be modify, That it is..

Media is at its best trying to portrait Inter Arms war to level of no sense ..

The ego war is there. The Americans had it worse. The Army managed only Apaches after their turf war of words, the A-10 was denied to them. It probably ran for 20 years in the 60s and even today they have these budget battles. The Marines got off easy.

 

[Koovie]

lol our Army doesnt have modern arty guns but they are talking about an own aif force :?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Till date i had no offensive argument from any Air-force Ground and Air wing official on this particular Subject..

Instead they agree over particular subject, Their is no issue in Arm wings except Media`s big mouth..

For Example the article tone itself..


On topic:

There is a document called the Joint Army Air Instruction (JAAI) of 1986 which authorises roles and responsibilities of who does what. The IAF has always operated helicopters of all kinds. The Army's charter is confined to light utility helicopters. The two squadrons of attack helicopters we currently operate are manned and maintained by the IAF, but under command and control of the Army. That is the rule position."

Their is nothing but this, It does not say anything else..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

lol our Army doesnt have modern arty guns but they are talking about an own aif force :?

the army can have its own heli gunship but fixed wing aircraft...its a bad decision....army has better things to do than spend money on such assets...!

Army don`t have modern arty coz its not available in India yet coz never ordered..

Dont fall for Air-force PR by Media, Army want few Logistic and attack chopper and couple of Medium transport aircraft..


Their are situation when army needed air-force but it wasn't available, Like in 1999 kargil war, 1962 war, IPKF ops..

This will save lives of Indian soldiers, Its a logical step and people up are not immature as our Media is..

 

[Galaxy]

[h=1]Indian Army eyeing own 'mini' air force[/h]

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[SpArK]

U.S. Air Force Senior Airman Steve Roeper, a 107th Expeditionary Fighter Squadron weapons load crew member, performs a rack inspection and cleaning on a U.S. Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt close air support aircraft at Kandahar Airfield, Afghanistan, Dec. 2, 2011. The A-10 can employ a wide variety of conventional muntions, including general purpose bombs, cluster bomb units, laser guided bombs and others.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

^^Air-force aircraft not Marines..