Indian Army Artillery

[Rushil51]

Army gun arsenal to be revived in big way | The Asian Age

The Modi government is planning to modernise the Indian Army's artillery gun arsenal in a big way. Sources said the government could be considering acquisition of over 800 of the 155mm 52-calibre artillery guns at an estimated cost of Rs 15,750 crore.
The proposed acquisition could come up before the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) now headed by new defence minister Manohar Parrikar at Saturday's crucial meeting.
Most of the guns are expected to be manufactured in India as part of the Modi government's strong push for indigenisation. The Indian Army has not acquired any new artillery gun for over 25 years.
The DAC could also consider a joint bid by Tata Sons and European manufacture Airbus to manufacture 56 transport aircraft to replace the Avro fleet of the Indian Air Force (IAF) at a possible cost of nearly Rs 12,000 crore.
The DAC could also consider acquisition of an additional 106 Swiss Pilatus basic trainer aircraft for the IAF at an estimated cost of about Rs 8,200 crore.
The government could insist that most of these aircraft be manufactured in India after transfer of technology from the Swiss firm. The IAF is thrilled so far at the performance of the Pilatus aircraft which had been acquired earlier.

 

[Rushil51]

@thaparvishal:- "@manoharparrikar -led Defence Acquisition Council approves Rs 15750 cr tender for 814 truck-mounted 155 mm 52 calibre artillery guns"

https://twitter.com/thaparvishal/status/536069200544935936

 

[bengalraider]

I sure hope the Tata Denel truck mounted gun wins, it's the only 155/52 domestic gun exhibited yet.
I know that it's a denel gun on a tata chassis but it's the best and most Indian option readily available now.

 

[Ajeesh Kumar S]

i give preference to nexter -ashok leyland because quality of the artillery .the denel g-5 derivative of tata is downgrade variant of original artillery. but nexter is superior in terms technology (automation,digitization, metallurgy) and also nexter gun is war proven system which destroyed several bm-21 grads of combodian army by precision firing during the thai-combodia border standoff...and also which can easily integrated with c-130j Hercules aircraft,.the tata copy of denel g-5 have max-range than the nexter ..but it is easily maintained by pinaka-2 batteries...

 

[The Fox]

My bet is on the TATA BAE-Mahendra and L&T on this wheeled howitzer

i give preference to nexter -ashok leyland because quality of the artillery .the denel g-5 derivative of tata is downgrade variant of original artillery. but nexter is superior in terms technology (automation,digitization, metallurgy) and also nexter gun is war proven system which destroyed several bm-21 grads of combodian army by precision firing during the thai-combodia border standoff...and also which can easily integrated with c-130j Hercules aircraft,.the tata copy of denel g-5 have max-range than the nexter ..but it is easily maintained by pinaka-2 batteries...

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

if the denel gun means does it means the rebirth of the bhim project?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Bhim will be succeeded by a better design by BEML and OFB and DRDO branches with collaboration of foreign firm ..

 

[Redhawk]

Does the Indian Border Security Force (BSF) deploy its own artillery for use across the LoC and the international border? Or is all artillery deployed by the Indian Army?

 

[Zebra]

^^

Border Security Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

Indeed.

In fact the reason for mobility is not to negotiate terrain like tanks, but because enemy artillery radars can track a shell coming from a single artillery piece and accurately inform enemy artillery exactly where that shell came from so that the artillery piece can be knocked out by counter fire if it stays in one place.

The US supplied Pakistan with artillery locating radar long before India acquired it. For this reason artillery should be able to fire off 2-3 rounds in quick succession and then quickly move to some other place before a counter fire can come in.

yes but as per reports due to short supply of spares our WLR supplied by US are non functional for 6 years or more and same is the case with Pakistan i guess unless china has steeped in with thier own WLR

 

[bennedose]

yes but as per reports due to short supply of spares our WLR supplied by US are non functional for 6 years or more and same is the case with Pakistan i guess unless china has steeped in with thier own WLR

The army cannot rely on rumors or guesswork that Paki WLR are not working. Any half-assed counter intelligence set up will deliberately leak fake news that WLR is not working simply to make an enemy feel safe.

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

The army cannot rely on rumors or guesswork that Paki WLR are not working. Any half-assed counter intelligence set up will deliberately leak fake news that WLR is not working simply to make an enemy feel safe.

the WLR supllied to us sre not working for lsst 6 years that is a faact

 

[bennedose]

the WLR supllied to us sre not working for lsst 6 years that is a faact

sure sure. I am sure you know all about it.

 

[Hari Sud]

Are the WLR not working, true?

What is the reason. Spares cannot be I the reason, because a plenty of these are available.

 

[Khagesh]

drdo. gov. in/ drdo/ pub/ newsletter/2015/feb_15.pdf

Successful Flight trial of Pinaka Mk-II Artillery Rocket

The Pinaka Mark-II rocket developed by Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE), Pune, was successfully test fired during 9-12 December 2014 at Proof and Experimental Establishment (PXE), Balasore. Rockets were fired for different ranges covering 20 km to 60 km. Pinaka Mk-II is an advanced version of the unguided Pinaka Multibarrel Rocket System wherein the firing range has been enhanced to 60+ km from the existing 38 km.
The rocket incorporates a high performance solid rocket propulsion system and advanced stabiliser system with six flat fin configuration developed by ARDE. The energetic propellant has been developed by High Energy Materials Research Laboratory (HEMRL), Pune. Pinaka Mk-II uses in-service warheads and fuzes and existing ground systems with minor modifications in Launcher, Loader Cum Replenishment (LCR) vehicle, Replenishment vehicle (RV) and Battery Command Post. Demonstration of the strike capability of Pinaka Mk-II rocket beyond 60 km is a landmark in the field of unguided rocket artillery.
Another milestone was reached when turbo generator-based Electronic Time Fuzes for artillery rockets developed in-house functioned satisfactorily, meeting the designed parameters during the dynamic trials. Flight performance of the entire mission, covering from low range to high range along with turbo generatorbased ET Fuze was captured by telemetry and tracking radars of PXE and ITR achieving all the mission objectives.

 

[bengalraider]

Kunal could you please just ban phoenixrehab now.

 

[Simple_Guy]

Army faces tough task of practice; MP, R'sthan only options left

Pointing out that a number of artillery units were deployed in Jammu and Kashmir, sources said their weapons and ammunition would be rusted in the absence of practice and advanced training as there were no major firing ranges left with the Army for training after the previous Government refused to extend lease period of Tosa Maidan firing range in Kashmir and Kaleeth firing range in Jammu.

"If we send our jawans for practice, which we have to do in the absence of extension of lease period, to Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan, it will not only consume lot of time for the training but also thin out presence of the troops from the LoC and general areas for a longer period,'' sources said, adding earlier the troops used to practice for few days at Tosa Maidan and Kaleeth firing ranges and then return to original place of postings.

 

[Hari Sud]

Just curious, there is no news about final trial and acceptance by the Indian Army of Dhanush artillery gun.

It was reported that Army ordered just 114 of these, but never confirmed it.

Then there was a report that barrel, metallurgical tests were in progress. Is that another bullshit to scuttle the deal?

Then there was approval given for about 800 self propelled guns by the Defence Ministry. That was three months back. A number of Indian companies were searching for collaboration with foreign gun makers. Since then nothing has been heard.

Even BAE, the maker of M777 has shown some interest on their overpriced gun, but no progress. This largescale purchase of 39 caliber gun will go against the the Indian Army assertion of 52 caliber gun. But if it is a foreign stuff, the Army will compromise.

Since there is no word on any of these above topics in these forums, I thought that I should initiate some.

Then what about the ammunition for these guns. Who is going to make that much ammunition to feed these guns when their number is quadrupled.

Please do speak and speak only if there is truth in your opinion. Speculations discouraged!

 

[bhramos]

Defenseblog-njs.blogspot.com: L&T, Samsung Techwin to produce guns in Pune

(IANS) Technology, construction and engineering major Larsen & Toubro (L&T) has joined hands with South Korea's Samsung Techwin Co. Ltd (STW) to develop tracked self-propelled artillery guns for the Indian Army.
These guns are expected to roll out from L&T's world-class dedicated facility at Talegaon, near Pune, a company statement said here Thursday.
The two companies also announced at the DEFEXPO-2012 in New Delhi that they would co-operate to develop the 155mm/52 calibre tracked, self-propelled gun with L&T as the lead partner for which a proposal was submitted to the defence ministry last year.
STW is the original equipment manufacturer for the South Korean K9 Thunder self-propelled howitzer, which is among the most successful of the guns in this category. The Indian gun will be a variant of this.
Along with the K10 ammunition re-supply vehicle, the K9 gun system is recognized for its functionality and unrivalled performance and a large number of them are in service in South Korea and other countries.
"As the lead partner, L&T will indigenously produce the self-propelled howitzer, thereby contributing to self-reliance in the defence sector. As part of the co-operation agreement between the two companies, STW will provide key technologies to L&T for localization of the K9 Thunder," said M. V. Kotwal, President, Heavy Engineering, and Member, L&T Board.
During the production phase, the joint offering would have an over 50 percent indigenous content, including components like fire control systems, communication systems, and life support systems which have already been used in India. This phase will also include significant localization of hull/turret structure and major subsystems, Kotwal added.
Besides offering the sophisticated gun system to meet the needs of the Indian Army, the co-operation would result in new avenues in Indian and global defence markets for the two companies.
The K9 Thunder is on display at the L&T stall in the Defexpo, with L&T-STW jointly announcing their readiness to field the system for Indian Army's User Evaluation trials which are expected to commence shortly.
Headquartered in Seoul, the Samsung Group is a multinational conglomerate composed of 29 affiliated businesses with a total turnover exceeding $200 billion, and Samsung Techwin as the technology and innovation leader in the group, specializing in defense & security solutions.
L&T is a $11.7 billion technology, engineering, construction, manufacturing and financial services conglomerate, with global operations in major lines of business for over seven decades.

 

[Hari Sud]

In this thread, the moderator, Kunal Biswas has maintained a dead silence except deleting a few posts.

I am sure that there is some progress among the suppliers who are vying to supply the duly approved gun system. Before the approval, if anybody could be critical of government inaction, they were having a field day, but not now.

Tell me, who knows enough about South Korean, or Ruag, or Denel or any other gun whether towed or tracked has put in a word or two to educate the keyboard warriors.

What about the final test results of Dhanush or light artillery promised by an Indian supplier, who has relocated a European factory lock stock and barrel to India.

The more important to know is whether the very unpleasantly disposed Indian Army who have been spoiled with imports is happy with local suppliers and collaboration. How come PM Modi is watching but not acting to descipline the armed forces. He can act to fire a general or two and send the the spoiled generals into oblivion. He is quite good at it. He has fired the DRDO chief for encouraging groupies in the research labs. He could do the same in the armed forces. Why is Navy works with the local suppliers and R & D and succeeds but not the IAF and Indian Army.

Yes Mr. Biswas, you Can delete this post. No big sweat for me. But I have noticed that in less than a day you have an answer on anything which is assault rifle related posts but completely silent on the very vital aspect of fighting forces like artillery.

Another question of vital importance is feeding this huge expansion proposed in 155 mm artillery, is there progress being made on making the right kind of ammunition? Indian made ammunition,if you believe the posts, have been found defective. Is their progress on redressing this part of the anomaly.