Indian Army Armored Vehicles

[Bornubus]

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[armyofhind]

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On the way to the LoC?

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[Bornubus]

On the way to the LoC?

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Not sure.

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[tharun]

Why don't DRDO is working on autoloader for arjun MBT like this one

 

[Chinmoy]

Why don't DRDO is working on autoloader for arjun MBT like this one
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There is a basic problem with any autoloader. If in heat of battle it gets stuck, then you are good as a sitting duck. A manual loader although is bit slow in firing rate, but a well trained crew of Gunner and Loader could fire anywhere between 8 to 10 rounds per minute as compared to 10 to 12 rounds with auto loader.

 

[tharun]

There is a basic problem with any autoloader. If in heat of battle it gets stuck, then you are good as a sitting duck. A manual loader although is bit slow in firing rate, but a well trained crew of Gunner and Loader could fire anywhere between 8 to 10 rounds per minute as compared to 10 to 12 rounds with auto loader.

But using a reliable loader there will be no problem...
And out t-72 & 90's are auto loaders too..
We can decrease weight and crew for every tank..

 

[tejas warrior]

But using a reliable loader there will be no problem...
And out t-72 & 90's are auto loaders too..
We can decrease weight and crew for every tank..

Well, If you are talking about Arjun.. then requirement specification are made by Army.. not DRDO.

So, it depends what Army wants and what they have requested DRDO.

 

[Chinmoy]

But using a reliable loader there will be no problem...
And out t-72 & 90's are auto loaders too..
We can decrease weight and crew for every tank..

Problem with reliability is, you can't be sure how much reliable any system is unless and until it breaks down. Moreover its a myth that removing one man from the tank and putting on a auto loader would bring down the overall weight of the Tank. A auto loader is always a bit bulky then its manual loader and a manual loader with human component is not going to cost much in weight. By the way, I've found one interesting bit of info. Have a look at it below.
https://www.quora.com/In-a-modern-t...ges-does-an-auto-loader-tank-offer-to-an-army

 

[tharun]

How many regiments of tanks we have of all combined?
How many tanks per regiment?

 

[Prashant12]

Army's armoured thrust: Order placed for 250 mine proof vehicles

At a time when the armed forces along the borders and those tasked with internal security are at a high level of alert against terrorist strikes, comes a big boost. The Indian Army has, in one of the biggest ever orders placed, asked for about 250 Mine Protected Vehicles (MPVs). These vehicles, routinely spotted on the streets and highways of Jammu and Kashmir and states in North Eastern (NE) India, secure troops from Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) explosions and gunfire.

These MPVs, which can carry upto a dozen fully armed personnel, also have a provision for gun sights in bullet proof glass from where troops can take on targets outside. There is also a provision to install a rotating heavier gun on top of the vehicle.

Those operating MPVs say it helps them move cross-country across most terrain even while taking fire and hitting back at terrorists. A Bullet Proof (BP) bunker or BP vehicle has limits on mobility and security it can offer, when seen against an MPV.

DELIVERY BY 2018

From sources in the army and the Ministry of Defence (MoD), it was learnt that 'indent' or an order for acquisition had recently been placed with the Vehicle Factory Jabalpur (VFJ), which comes under the Ordnance Factory Board of the MoD. The delivery of these MPVs will begin by 2018. The army will use these vehicles in NE states apart from Jammu and Kashmir.

Also read: Baramulla Army camp attack: 2 terrorists killed, BSF jawan martyred

In Jammu and Kashmir, which is witnessing an escalation of violence and terror attacks, intelligence inputs indicate a presence of 409 terrorists of which 315 are operating in the Kashmir region and the rest in Jammu. Instances of mine/IED blasts in the state have significantly reduced on account of better roads and detection by security agencies. However, terrorist strikes have forced the army and Central Armed Police Forces (CAPFs) deployed there to respond with MPVs.

The army and CAPFs have been using 'Casspir' MPV manufactured by the VFJ. The army, which was the first to use MPVs began doing so since the early 90s when it was tasked with tackling the first bout of insurgency in the Kashmir Valley.

UPGRADING FLEET

Said a senior officer aware of the case, "While we are looking at replacing our existing fleet which is ageing, there will also be an enhancement of numbers. We have found these MPVs to be extremely useful. The ones we will now procure are the upgraded ones and have been finalised after several rounds of testing." For security reasons, the specifications pertaining to these MPVs were not shared. It was however, learnt that the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO)'s Vehicle Research and Development Establishment (VRDE) too was roped in for the project which will be handled by the army's Master General Ordnance branch. It was learnt that the VFJ has agreed to ramp up production to deliver 70 vehicles per year.

Also read: Surgical strikes effect: Senior Pakistan army officers spotted with frontline troops on LoC

While private sector companies which are also manufacturing MPVs were considered, the army ultimately went in with the VFJ.

The Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) under whom all the CAPFs function is also looking to equip the forces with MPVs. The process, however, has been bogged down on account of poor decision-making. The requirement of MPVs for the CAPFs is nearly 400 'at the very least'. The MPVs are required in states affected by Maoist insurgency as the insurgents have chosen the IEDs as their preferred weapon.

The OFB has developed a next generation MPV called the Modern Mine Protected Vehicle. The Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) has placed an order for twenty MPVs.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/army-armoured-order-mine-proof-vehicles-terrorists/1/779005.html

 

[Prashant12]

Border protection: Defence lab in Chennai has hi-tech solution

CHENNAI: A defence laboratory in Chennai may have the right recipe for the Centre’s quest for technological solutions to seal the international border with Pakistan in two years.

Scientists at the Combat Vehicle Research and Development Establishment (CVRDE) at Avadi here have developed an unmanned surveillance ground vehicle that can zero-in on 99 moving objects simultaneously from a distance of 10 to 16 km and transmit information.

Officials claimed the vehicle codenamed MUNTRA-S (Tracked Unmanned Group Vehicle for Surveillance) is the first unmanned vehicle from the DRDO stable conforming to military standards for both hardware and software designs. A range of technologies and systems are incorporated including electro-optics, sensor fusion, electro-mechanical actuators and communication systems, which enable it to detect targets from a crawling man to heavy vehicles.

An official source told Express that MUNTRA-S had been developed on the amphibious BMP-II tracked armoured vehicle, which enabled it to be deployed for unmanned surveillance missions in all types of battle environment, day and night.

This comes at a time when the Centre is increasingly looking at advanced technologies like sensors, cameras, drones and radars to patrol and protect the borders. India shares a 3,323 km long land border and 740 km marine border with Pakistan, both equally under threat from infiltrators. Of these, there are 181.85 km where physical barriers cannot be built due to geographic constraints like riverine, low-lying lands, creek and marsh.

Sources said the vehicle is ready, noting that a technology demonstration was conducted on board a defence vessel near the Chennai coast last year. It was witnessed by top officials of the South Sector of Central Industrial Security Force and the Border Security Force.

“The vehicle has also completed last-leg of trials in Mahajan Field Firing Range at Suratgarh in Rajasthan. It can be teleoperated from a distance of 20 km. The effectiveness of payloads depends on the
type of terrain. If the view is clear like in the sea, the sensors can pin down on an unauthorised object from a distance of 16 km, ” sources said.

Configuration:

MUNTRA consists of two vehicles, both on the BMP II class of tracked vehicles.

MUNTRA-B is the base vehicle from which MUNTRA-S is controlled.

MUNTRA-S is the surveillance UGV and can be teleoperated from MUNTRA-B within a radius of 20 km.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/cit...-in-chennai-has-hi-tech-solution-1529372.html

 

[rishivashista13]

Border protection: Defence lab in Chennai has hi-tech solution

CHENNAI: A defence laboratory in Chennai may have the right recipe for the Centre’s quest for technological solutions to seal the international border with Pakistan in two years.

Scientists at the Combat Vehicle Research and Development Establishment (CVRDE) at Avadi here have developed an unmanned surveillance ground vehicle that can zero-in on 99 moving objects simultaneously from a distance of 10 to 16 km and transmit information.

Officials claimed the vehicle codenamed MUNTRA-S (Tracked Unmanned Group Vehicle for Surveillance) is the first unmanned vehicle from the DRDO stable conforming to military standards for both hardware and software designs. A range of technologies and systems are incorporated including electro-optics, sensor fusion, electro-mechanical actuators and communication systems, which enable it to detect targets from a crawling man to heavy vehicles.

An official source told Express that MUNTRA-S had been developed on the amphibious BMP-II tracked armoured vehicle, which enabled it to be deployed for unmanned surveillance missions in all types of battle environment, day and night.

This comes at a time when the Centre is increasingly looking at advanced technologies like sensors, cameras, drones and radars to patrol and protect the borders. India shares a 3,323 km long land border and 740 km marine border with Pakistan, both equally under threat from infiltrators. Of these, there are 181.85 km where physical barriers cannot be built due to geographic constraints like riverine, low-lying lands, creek and marsh.

Sources said the vehicle is ready, noting that a technology demonstration was conducted on board a defence vessel near the Chennai coast last year. It was witnessed by top officials of the South Sector of Central Industrial Security Force and the Border Security Force.

“The vehicle has also completed last-leg of trials in Mahajan Field Firing Range at Suratgarh in Rajasthan. It can be teleoperated from a distance of 20 km. The effectiveness of payloads depends on the
type of terrain. If the view is clear like in the sea, the sensors can pin down on an unauthorised object from a distance of 16 km, ” sources said.

Configuration:

MUNTRA consists of two vehicles, both on the BMP II class of tracked vehicles.

MUNTRA-B is the base vehicle from which MUNTRA-S is controlled.

MUNTRA-S is the surveillance UGV and can be teleoperated from MUNTRA-B within a radius of 20 km.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/cit...-in-chennai-has-hi-tech-solution-1529372.html

Great !
Very useful in plain areas .
But what I was thinking is will it work in mountains areas like kashmir ??
Will it able to track vehicles behind mountains ?


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[rkhanna]

In light of the new T-90MS order it would be a fair guess to kiss the Arjun goodbuy. This governemt is doing the same as the previous one on draging on the 112 Arjun Mark II order. Dont think it will happen.

 

[Rushil51]

In light of the new T-90MS order it would be a fair guess to kiss the Arjun goodbuy. This governemt is doing the same as the previous one on draging on the 112 Arjun Mark II order. Dont think it will happen.

According to Prasun K Sengupta, the IGA for the tanks stated that India will ultimately buy 1600 T-90s

PLUS

The army has not placed a major order for the Arjun MK2 as all the improvements have not be applied for to the tank. Also he states that even after this order there is a market for more than 700 Arjun tanks.

 

[Hari Sud]

I would imagine that Indian Army had already made up their mind on T-90, hence Arjun had no chance. All those improvements which the Army wanted were to keep the civilian government happy. For DRDO it was a major waste of time.

Sell this design to a friendly country and recover as much of research and Development costs as possible. Indian Army will never buy it.

 

[rkhanna]

The army has not placed a major order for the Arjun MK2 as all the improvements have not be applied for to the tank. Also he states that even after this order there is a market for more than 700 Arjun tanks.

Sirji - the Russian Mill Lobby has been entrenched in our Armoured Forces for Decades - Goodluck trying to get that mindset changed. The Russian Cash Lobby has been entrenched in our political and bureaucratic landscape since the 65 war (refer Indira Gandhi and before and after) - Try getting OFB to match those "donations".

I remember reading a very eloquent letter submitted by Honorable RENUKA CHAUDHARY to Parliament sometime in the early day of the MMS Govt to lobby for the T-90S. When a piece of Equipment as such backing the Arjun has no chance. Irrespective of the fact that FOUR CAG Report have pointed out in detail how the Arjun outperforms the T-90 is almost ALL parameters.

 

[rkhanna]

Here is Honorable Renuka C lobbying against Denel circa 2004. She was the bloody minister for Tourism at the time lol

"When Renuka Chowdhury, then Union minister of state for tourism, wrote to defence minister Pranab Mukherjee lobbying against Denel, a South African firm trying to sell artillery to the Indian army, she appeared to have acted as a front for serving senior army officers and bureaucrats.

Her letter, written on June 10, 2004, (a copy of which is exclusively available to TIMES NOW) says very clearly that she is forwarding a nine-page document "prepared by some senior officers of the army and the bureaucracy, who are due for retirement in a matter of (a) few weeks"

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...rs-against-Denel/articleshow/1397272.cms?null

Trying to find the Article of her letter Regarding the T-90 ..will post when i find it.

And if anybody is under some delusion that this "government" is going to be different please wake up. India is not run by politicians its run by its Bureaucracy. And simply put there is TOO much money on the table for This government also to simply ignore

 

[cannonfodder]

In short, the biggest fault in indian local products like Arjun and Tejas is that they have no middlemen.

DRDO must ask GOI to allocate separate funds for benaami properties and foreign trips.

 

[Bahamut]

In short, the biggest fault in indian local products like Arjun and Tejas is that they have no middlemen.

DRDO must ask GOI to allocate separate funds for benaami properties and foreign trips.

Arjun problem is no common spares, as for Tejas, IAF will buy try to common spare with other jet . Sir T 90s and T 90ms has spare common with T 72 and many other engineering system , cheaper to maintain . If DRDO in next version increase commonality the IA will buy more as

 

[rkhanna]

Rafale has no spares either - Yet we are ready to buy. Hell we are ready to import an entire line of F-16.
M-177 Has no spares. But we will buy that before any firm orders for the Dhanush
The Argument of Spares is one into perpetuity. We will never break the cycle. And we will NEVER have a local domestic military industry. Because of "spares".

The Israelis broke the mold. They spend a decade in Hardships. now 3 decades later they are standing pretty. Same with the Chinese.