Indian Army Armored Vehicles

[rkhanna]

Make in India makes the middle man happy. Made in India ONLY benefits the Country's National Interest.

 

[SilentKiller]

Arjun tank is dead..not because DRDO or OFB lacked..issue is with mindset.
Army never wanted arjun tank post arrival of T90..army will opt for Russian T-14 tanks rather than supporting Arjun MK2 or MK3.

 

[IndianHawk]

DRDO should open up a JV with the likes of
Ambani and adani and Tata , mahindra.

On one hand it can bring efficiency on manufacturing, vendors side on the other these groups can bend govt to buy indigenous design by hook or crook.

It's a win win collaboration.

 

[rkhanna]

DRDO should open up a JV with the likes of
Ambani and adani and Tata , mahindra.

Been there done that. Kalyani, L&T, etc etc all making stuff in conjunction with DRDO and others.

ORDERS FROM MOD is the need of the hour. When the first Merkava came out it was a piece of shit. Repeated upgrades and improvements make it the beast it is today (Decades later). Investing in a domestic capability is a long term commitment (over generations).

Imagine if we had not abandoned the Marut and continued improving on it. We completely pissed away any R&D on that and had to literally reinvent the wheel with the LCA.

Also ironically - if you notice - Major Defence tech is denied to us. (including from Russia) but the moment news gets out that we are close to domestic capability fruitation that tech is suddenly hand delivered to us with a bow (Astra, Akash, PAD/AAD / etc etc ) - ofcourse then we mothball the domestic efforts and get phoren with the magic words "ToT". We then spend decades crying about no logistic chain and spare parts and operational readiness but continue to kiss Russian/Israeli/American arse.

India has become a massive screw driver technology country when it comes to Military industry.

 

[cannonfodder]

Dude don't fool yourself by quoting logistic. By this logic, you will never be able to buy anything designed and developed locally unless it is more or less copy or derivative of existing equipment. As other have mentioned it is not that IA/IAF has not inducted new platforms.

Army, imported air force and bureaucracy will suck the last penny as long as it can. Now that GOI has spent much time and effort in R&D on Arjun and LCA; they are just placing minimal orders(bheek mein) to keep civilians mouth shut. They will keep citing some shortcomings and make big issue out of it to keep tap running.

Bechare bureaucrats/generals/politicians ke bhi bibi-bache hote hai. BJP ko next election ka chanda kidhar se milega? Unka bhi kuch socho

Sarcasm aside, this is making local industry growth 10 times more difficult.

Arjun problem is no common spares, as for Tejas, IAF will buy try to common spare with other jet . Sir T 90s and T 90ms has spare common with T 72 and many other engineering system , cheaper to maintain . If DRDO in next version increase commonality the IA will buy more as

 

[sayareakd]

At the end of the day, Arjun wont bring in retirement benefits for some. Those who support local Arjun will be sidelined.

 

[Akshay_Fenix]

Whats wrong with Arjun Mark 2 now? They don't look bulky as compared to Mark 1.

 

[Rahul Singh]

GOI can not change a culture in couple of years that has been in existence for over 60 years now. Atleast one should be thankful to DM for his stearing of Tejas. Without him, even Tejas would have been dead.

Personaly I don't think Arjun is dead. Present DM does not seems to be a person who would let it go. I just hope he comes with a Tejas MK-1A kind of solution for Arjun.

 

[Hari Sud]

Dude don't fool yourself by quoting logistic. By this logic, you will never be able to buy anything designed and developed locally unless it is more or less copy or derivative of existing equipment. As other have mentioned it is not that IA/IAF has not inducted new platforms.

Army, imported air force and bureaucracy will suck the last penny as long as it can. Now that GOI has spent much time and effort in R&D on Arjun and LCA; they are just placing minimal orders(bheek mein) to keep civilians mouth shut. They will keep citing some shortcomings and make big issue out of it to keep tap running.

Bechare bureaucrats/generals/politicians ke bhi bibi-bache hote hai. BJP ko next election ka chanda kidhar se milega? Unka bhi kuch socho

Sarcasm aside, this is making local industry growth 10 times more difficult.

Truthfully spoken. The import minded Airforce and Army are reluctant to buy anything locally. They know they can use the Yellow Jouranlism to pressure the government.

 

[Pulkit]

Dude don't fool yourself by quoting logistic. By this logic, you will never be able to buy anything designed and developed locally unless it is more or less copy or derivative of existing equipment. As other have mentioned it is not that IA/IAF has not inducted new platforms.

Army, imported air force and bureaucracy will suck the last penny as long as it can. Now that GOI has spent much time and effort in R&D on Arjun and LCA; they are just placing minimal orders(bheek mein) to keep civilians mouth shut. They will keep citing some shortcomings and make big issue out of it to keep tap running.

Bechare bureaucrats/generals/politicians ke bhi bibi-bache hote hai. BJP ko next election ka chanda kidhar se milega? Unka bhi kuch socho

Sarcasm aside, this is making local industry growth 10 times more difficult.

Very true...When it come to Foran maal they do not get into these details of common spares/parts or any drawbacks....

They ar eready to buy something that is on drawing board if and only if it has a foran tag on it.

Truthfully spoken. The import minded Airforce and Army are reluctant to buy anything locally. They know they can use the Yellow Jouranlism to pressure the government.

They blackmail and blame Other organisations.... DRDO and HAL adds to it with there efficienfy dedication and hardword

 

[rkhanna]

FYI - The Apache Order is being increased to another 11 (option) + 39 New Orders to the 22 already bought.

Meanwhile the LCH is in LSP and Continued testing.

 

[republic_roi97]

FYI - The Apache Order is being increased to another 11 (option) + 39 New Orders to the 22 already bought.

Meanwhile the LCH is in LSP and Continued testing.

Well thankfully our helicopters are nit ending up with same fate. Dhruv is being ordered in numbers and LCH is now in LSP, Rudra will start being delivered from 2018. So, I am not worried about that. As for Arjun Mk2, army should buy 400 and deploy them for ops in Plain areas.

BTW, what's the source of news ??

 

[Butter Chicken]

Lot of russian dalals in Lutyens Delhi,need to clean them

 

[rkhanna]

Sorry its 39 new apache's - this includes the 11 option from the first order.

http://www.livefistdefence.com/2016/11/yes-india-wants-a-lot-more-apaches.html

I have a bad feeling

HAL Chairman has a statement saying that there are NO definite orders for LCH but he is hoping LSP get accepted and then orders come. Similar words I have seen about the arjun ;(

 

[republic_roi97]

Sorry its 39 new apache's - this includes the 11 option from the first order.

http://www.livefistdefence.com/2016/11/yes-india-wants-a-lot-more-apaches.html

I have a bad feeling

HAL Chairman has a statement saying that there are NO definite orders for LCH but he is hoping LSP get accepted and then orders come. Similar words I have seen about the arjun ;(

First of all one thing to be made clear, apache cannot fight in Himalayan hights. This makes sure that LCH roles out in huge numbers. IAF will not ditch LCH because, its one of its kind, highest flying heli in world. And we need air support in Siachen and Laddakh Leh and higher regions, there LCH would be our only hope.

 

[Chinmoy]

First of all one thing to be made clear, apache cannot fight in Himalayan hights. This makes sure that LCH roles out in huge numbers. IAF will not ditch LCH because, its one of its kind, highest flying heli in world. And we need air support in Siachen and Laddakh Leh and higher regions, there LCH would be our only hope.

LCH is mainly for support role in high terrain and Apache is for attack role in low terrain. So LCH would be there for sure, but have to see in how many numbers.
Moreover primary user of Apache would be IAF and LCH would be IA. Thank god for the sane decision of MoD when they decided to give LCH to IA instead of IAF in their tug of war.

 

[republic_roi97]

LCH is mainly for support role in high terrain and Apache is for attack role in low terrain. So LCH would be there for sure, but have to see in how many numbers.
Moreover primary user of Apache would be IAF and LCH would be IA. Thank god for the sane decision of MoD when they decided to give LCH to IA instead of IAF in their tug of war.

Well according to the livefist link, the 28 Apaches will go to IA too. But after IAF has got its shares.

 

[republic_roi97]

Woah, I just realized that we are discussing about attack helicopters on wrong thread. Sorry Mods. Please shift the discussion to the right thread.

 

[rkhanna]

Woah, I just realized that we are discussing about attack helicopters on wrong thread. Sorry Mods. Please shift the discussion to the right thread.

Yea my bad lol ;p

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[sorcerer]

India To Contract For More Russian Tanks, Plans Domestic Assembling

India's Defense Acquisition Council (DAC) gave the go-ahead to the deal on 464 Russian T-90 tanks under Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s ‘Make in India’ initiative, a source in the Indian Defense Ministry told Sputnik on Monday.
NEW DELHI — The 'Make in India' program of the Indian government aims to attract multinational and national companies' investments in the country's manufacturing.
In 2001, New Delhi reportedly bought 310 T-90 tanks from Russia, some of which were assembled in India from prepared kits. Each T-90 deal after that has served to move the production to India. At this point, India can do a large percentage of the assemblies domestically but still needs to have some details imported.
"The Defense Acquisition Council has also approved a 464 Russian T-90 tanks deal under the Make in India initiative," the source said.
With the DAC approval, the Defense Ministry can proceed to the negotiations with the suppliers.
According to local media, if the deal is successfully finalized, the Indian Army will receive the advanced models of the T-90 combat tank, which will bring the number of T-90 tanks in its possession to 1,300.
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201611071047157898-india-t90-russia/