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With all humility we are discussing the shortcomings of t-90 and why army is preferring T-90 with so many issues over the well developed Arjuns as per indian army's needs and specifications.

So any discussion on FMBT has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
:namaste:ok :thumb:go on I was just pointing out that army is not preferring but had already "preferred" t90 over arjun so not much to do about nothing .
Arjun is a good tank it is established and even i am not having any doubts over it but now we should concentrate on our future .With all humilation just my take.:wave:
 

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:namaste:ok :thumb:go on I was just pointing out that army is not preferring but had already "preferred" t90 over arjun so not much to do about nothing .
Arjun is a good tank it is established and even i am not having any doubts over it but now we should concentrate on our future .With all humilation just my take.:wave:
The point we are debating here is why the army preferred t-90 with so many issues. If they support CVRDE with large orders of arjun there is no need to gripe about the mythical FMBT. With mil industry complex springing up to support arjun tank in both private and PSu , ther won't be any problem in R&D for FMBT.

you should know the reason the russians and americans are designing their stuff so fast is their mil industry complex. if we don't follow that route DRDO will be just a prototype toy maker.
 
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I am quoting DGMF's new proposal, It does not change with respect to dates ..
It is written that there is possibility that there would be no more fresh orders for arjun mk2,"army has been asking drdo to focus on FMBT"
AND it is written our generals are waiting for armata specifications so that they can put FMBT specification based on armata for drdo PLUS after russia going for ARMATA there is possibility of indian army going for same.
 
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It is written that there is possibility that there would be no more fresh orders for arjun mk2,"army has been asking drdo to focus on FMBT"
AND it is written our generals are waiting for armata specifications so that they can put FMBT specification based on armata for drdo PLUS after russia going for ARMATA there is possibility of indian army going for same.
That is paid media work.
 

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I am not here to make stories, And i have a little or no tolerance for nonsense ..

I have no wish to make jokes or theories on national security of my Country ..

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Welcome back, Though if you insist on trolling, I will show you way out of here ..

ROFL!! How convenient of you to change the story, typical!! .
 

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2 & 3. That is because Army records and trails already proved Arjun is a better preforming tank so does its design as per Army requirement .. .

2 & 3, Ok, a simple logical question for you. We have borders with Pakistan thousands of kilometers, Pak Army wanted to know the exact location of Arjun Regiments(which may be one or two at max)? To avoid it out of few thousand kms or to exploit it ? Any reasonable person can answer this! I hope you also will get my point.
 
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Its not so simple how you think or believe it is, Military Formations are worked like fluid mechanics even for thousand of kms ..

Regarding rest, I suggest you follow the thread ..

2 & 3, Ok, a simple logical question for you. We have borders with Pakistan thousands of kilometers, Pak Army wanted to know the exact location of Arjun Regiments(which may be one or two at max)? To avoid it out of few thousand kms or to exploit it ? Any reasonable person can answer this! I hope you also will get my point.
 

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T-72 should be replaced by arjun or its variant

T-72 has been backbone of our armoured division with entry of much better T-90s and M (sorry to say without AC) ..time has come to replace All the t-72 by next 5 years normally all the anti tank weapons developed by west are designed to blast T-72 as we have seen in all the recent conflict-syrian ,gulf,you name aand they are the target ..arjun MK2 is agood option but God Knows how much time it will take to enter into service and who knows by the time they will eneter some new generation anti tank will come into production ....by next 2- 3 years we should gradually bring down our T-72 ajeya streanght to 500 from 1700 ..if we want have a upper hand against our enemies
 

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Re: T-72 should be replaced by arjun or its variant

We are upgrading 1500 T-72s. Apart from the 300 already upgraded.
 

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Re: T-72 should be replaced by arjun or its variant

What has Indian Army done since 1948 except Changing tanks without firing a shot from them ?

They have been changing only tanks and failed to even change the rifles !!
 

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I am not sure you are talking abt the topic, Because India being using its own steel since late 80s till now, For following items >>

1. 105mm / 155mm Guns
2. Small arms
3. Tanks & Armoud Vehicles
4. IAC-1
5. IAC-2
6. Arihant

What you talking is related to ship building, Whose steel is now also produce in India by SAIL ..

Our metallurgy is very poor. Their is not much research done in material science in India. High grade Steel and other super-alloys are generally imported from Germany or USA.
 

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I am not sure you are talking abt the topic, Because India being using its own steel since late 80s till now, For following items >>

1. 105mm / 155mm Guns
2. Small arms
3. Tanks & Armoud Vehicles
4. IAC-1
5. IAC-2
6. Arihant

What you talking is related to ship building, Whose steel is now also produce in India by SAIL ..
We don't import material for entire system like tank, ship, artillery but for critical section or at least the technology to make such material.
I believe Arjun gun barrel is imported.
Not to forget GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri failure with respect to HAL Tejas.
We were screwed when Russian denied us ToT for gun barrel for T-90.
The technology to synthesize metal/material used to manufacture combustion or fuel injunction system for Internal Combustion Engine is imported from German companies.
Just compare weight and barrel life METAMORPHOSIS 155 mm GUN vs M777. Our 155mm gun is even more heavy than M198 howitzer.
Our 105mm guns almost weigh same (slightly less) as M777 but range of only 17.4 km compared to range of M777 of 24 km to 40km depending on the round.
Even Bhim T-6 SPH used Denel 155 mm L52 G5 gun.
As for DRDO artillery the PSQRs demand new technology such as barrel coating. So the plan is to first build the barrel using current technologies and then try coating. Once that barrel development technology has matured, we can add new technologies and improve its performance. A number of foreign firms are willing to offer the coating technology. We are in dialogue but nothing has been firmed up yet. In order to cut down on time, we may get the technology from abroad, especially about the barrel coating.
This is what is generally done. We buy technology from foreign firm and then manufacture. This does not make our metallurgy capability good.
Finally we should stop leaving in past. Now days the is a trend has started to develop metallurgy capabilities indigenous.
 

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We don't import material for entire system like tank, ship, artillery but for critical section or at least the technology to make such material.
I believe Arjun gun barrel is imported.
Not to forget GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri failure with respect to HAL Tejas.
We were screwed when Russian denied us ToT for gun barrel for T-90.
The technology to synthesize metal/material used to manufacture combustion or fuel injunction system for Internal Combustion Engine is imported from German companies.
Just compare weight and barrel life METAMORPHOSIS 155 mm GUN vs M777. Our 155mm gun is even more heavy than M198 howitzer.
Our 105mm guns almost weigh same (slightly less) as M777 but range of only 17.4 km compared to range of M777 of 24 km to 40km depending on the round.
Even Bhim T-6 SPH used Denel 155 mm L52 G5 gun.
As for DRDO artillery the PSQRs demand new technology such as barrel coating. So the plan is to first build the barrel using current technologies and then try coating. Once that barrel development technology has matured, we can add new technologies and improve its performance. A number of foreign firms are willing to offer the coating technology. We are in dialogue but nothing has been firmed up yet. In order to cut down on time, we may get the technology from abroad, especially about the barrel coating.
This is what is generally done. We buy technology from foreign firm and then manufacture. This does not make our metallurgy capability good.
Finally we should stop leaving in past. Now days the is a trend has started to develop metallurgy capabilities indigenous.

Get your facts right before making your tall claims boss.

Believe whatever you want to but ARDE L52 of Arjun is developed and produced in India,not imported.

Again we were not screwed because OFB already produces the 2A46M main gun of T 90S.

Do you know even the difference between M777 and OFB L45....Huh??The first one is meant to be an ultra light towed howitzer with very high Ti content and and it's of L39 calibre.It doesn't come equipped with an APU,ammunitions craines and automatic rammers.
On the other hand,Danhush has a longer barrel (thus a much greater range) and it comes equipped with an all terrain chasis powered by an APU,effectively transforming it into a semi self propelled gun.Besides,it has autoloaders and ammunition craines.

And when was the 105mm IFG was designed again??An 155mm gun with a longer barrel will always have a longer reach than a 105mm gun,what's the big fuss about this?? How a "Respected Member" like yourself could even compare both systematic??Even then at least,get your facts correct - the maximum range of IFG is 19 km with old ammo.And M777 doesn't have 40 km range with base bleed rounds,it's more like ~28 km in the plains.
Yes,Bhim SPH did use a Denel gun and turret and why??Have you ever asked that question to yourself??Because DRDO was never asked by Indian Army to develop a 155mm gun....it's as simple as that.
It's not like ARDE can not develop an artillery gun.Infact,they did develop a 185mm heavy arty gun as far back as mid 80's but IA was not interested.But I know you didn't know that.

I will not reply to rest of your post since it's your opinion based on anywhere from half truths to outright fictions of your mind.
 

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Our metallurgy is very poor. Their is not much research done in material science in India. High grade Steel and other super-alloys are generally imported from Germany or USA.
One of the reason being lack of sustainable domestic requirement and consumption...
 

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Lets focus about the points you made ..

1. Its not how you think it is, ARDE design 105/155/23/40/7.62/12.7mm of almost all kind of barrels and manufactured by OFB ..
2. Kaveri successfully passed its tests in Russia, I am not sure why you mean, If its delayed, yes ..
3. T-90 barrel design by ARDE and made by OFB ..
4. Fuel Injection system is design by HAL and used by Dhruv and Tejas, CVRDE design systems used in Ground vehicles ..
5. Metamorphosis is not a ULH, M777 is, Barrel life of M777 is lesser than Metamorphosis ..
6. There are no system call bhim in Armed forces service, Its a prototype ..
7. Provide link that say the same as you said, There is only one coating on the barrel which is chorme and that is done on Small arm and mediam calibers ..

8. I am sure that is what i said and stop repeating my post to me ..


From next onwards Google such silly information which is known quite well around here, Return my 2 mins which took replying you this reply ( Which i am sure you cant ) ..

We don't import material for entire system like tank, ship, artillery but for critical section or at least the technology to make such material.

1. I believe Arjun gun barrel is imported.
2. Not to forget GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri failure with respect to HAL Tejas.
3. We were screwed when Russian denied us ToT for gun barrel for T-90.
4. The technology to synthesize metal/material used to manufacture combustion or fuel injunction system for Internal Combustion Engine is imported from German companies.

5. Just compare weight and barrel life METAMORPHOSIS 155 mm GUN vs M777. Our 155mm gun is even more heavy than M198 howitzer.
Our 105mm guns almost weigh same (slightly less) as M777 but range of only 17.4 km compared to range of M777 of 24 km to 40km depending on the round.

6. Even Bhim T-6 SPH used Denel 155 mm L52 G5 gun.

As for DRDO artillery the PSQRs demand new technology such as barrel coating. So the plan is to first build the barrel using current technologies and then try coating. Once that barrel development technology has matured, we can add new technologies and improve its performance. A number of foreign firms are willing to offer the coating technology. We are in dialogue but nothing has been firmed up yet. In order to cut down on time, we may get the technology from abroad, especially about the barrel coating.

7. This is what is generally done. We buy technology from foreign firm and then manufacture. This does not make our metallurgy capability good.
Finally we should stop leaving in past. Now days the is a trend has started to develop metallurgy capabilities indigenous.
 

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@Dark Sorrow, Firstly lets be civil, you are an old member you should know, We have a quality to maintain, Secondly you need to research MORE about the things you are mentioning and provide link to your claims, You knowledge about Defense sector is very limited what i learn from your posts ..

I would look forward to your reply to my post, Hopefully in Civil and With Links ..
 
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