- Joined
- Oct 14, 2020
- Messages
- 27,502
- Likes
- 189,929
then we will have to junk it as no other countries other than ex-soviet states can buy or use it.Most of them have An-32s in large numbers already..
then we will have to junk it as no other countries other than ex-soviet states can buy or use it.Most of them have An-32s in large numbers already..
They should order additional C-295s for the Air Force to replace the garbage An-32 and then use offsets to get the Kaveri running.
What makes you conclude An-32 is garbage? It is an old-soviet-era plane, but it does its job perfectly well.Those 'garbage' an-32 have >50% of their airframe life left.
They weren't flown a lot due to problems.
yes it does if it flies with ukrainian airforce not Indian airforce. The maintenance and spares of this aircraft have become scarce due to Russo-Ukrainian war in 2014.What makes you conclude An-32 is garbage? It is an old-soviet-era plane, but it does its job perfectly well.
An-32 is old as hell; C-295 can carry far more weight, is likely to be more fuel efficient, gives production opportunity to indigenous companies (jobs), and also is just a better overall plane. It's pretty obvious. I don't understand Russia worship on this forum.What makes you conclude An-32 is garbage? It is an old-soviet-era plane, but it does its job perfectly well.
>50% of airframe life. Weren't flown due to problems.Those 'garbage' an-32 have >50% of their airframe life left.
They weren't flown a lot due to problems.
Bro, I think we need to temper our language.An-32 is old as hell; C-295 can carry far more weight, is likely to be more fuel efficient, gives production opportunity to indigenous companies (jobs), and also is just a better overall plane. It's pretty obvious. I don't understand Russia worship on this forum.
I am so sick of people saying "The Soviets saved us, the Soviets saved us!"Bro, I think we need to temper our language.
Granted most Soviet equipment was mostly functional and were designed with a communist mindset that viewed luxury as sinful.
But remember, it was the Soviet Union and later Russia which at least supplied us the weapons not the West. The West was courting Pakistan. So we really did not have a choice many a times.
Soviet /Russian weapons helped us stay independent for many decades after independence. Did Uncle Sam offer us the F16 when it was sold to Pakistan.
I agree that we were mostly license producing Soviet weapons and they did not help us become really independent in design.
But history should not be forgotten. The Soviets /Russians saved our asses many times in the past.
The situation has changed dramatically in the last 2 decades with the West now courting India instead of Pakistan. We are flooded with choices. In general Western weapons look better and are more user friendly and serviceable. This is because of capitalism and its way of thought. Russia has just started evolving into a capitalist society and probably will be able to match Western offerings in about a decade I guess.
We are free to choose better weapons if they are offered by the West. That's OK.
But to use adjectives like garbage or shit for the Soviet /Russian weapons is unnecessary. I think we can be grateful for support extended in the past and moderate our language.
The C295 is a fine piece of equipment. I hope we can indigenise it to the maximum extent.
OK, Smart Alec. Nobody can understand your anger. Your post is filled with wisdom.I am so sick of people saying "The Soviets saved us, the Soviets saved us!"
Do you know the story of HAL Marut and why it was tanked in favor of MiG-21? Give me a break. The rest of your post isn't even worth my energy to read. Temper my language? If you can read you will see that my language is mild
Problems can be fixed.. And they were.>50% of airframe life. Weren't flown due to problems.
Do you even think about what you are about to say?
Ok, so you are going to pretend like I have made no points previous. Lol. C-295 has significantly increased payload capacity compared to An-32. C-295 can be manufactured domestically in the country; replacing An-32, which is in all fairness, a junk plane, streamlines the infrastructure required by the IAF and helps in ensuring that parts and spares can be sourced quickly and easily (because they are being... domestically manufactured). There is a high likelihood of increased fuel efficiency (I'm not sure if you know this but this will help reduce the import bill on oil). Simultaneously, there will be an offset clause, as there is with most of these types of deals. Those offsets can be used to hire engineers who can push Kaveri to completion. India will then be on its way to having a genuine, domestic engine.OK, Smart Alec. Nobody can understand your anger. Your post is filled with wisdom.
What do you want to do?.
Gali dhena. OR talk on specifics. Give technical reasons why the An32 is garbage.
Instead of blandly using adjectives. Justify your stand.
Give figures on operating costs fuel consumption, availability factor, maintenance issues etc.
Maybe this is asking too much of you. Anybody can deride any weapon.
There are people who lampoon the F35. Tomorrow somebody will say that the F35 is garbage . Will you accept it. Without any technical data or technical comparison with other 5th generation planes.
Do you understand, if you provide reasons backed up by data and references it contributes to informed debate on the forum.
People will accept your arguments if they are valid. Simply letting off steam or farting is no substitute for informed debate.
If you still want to only use abuses and no other information to justify your stand.
Continue your childish rant.
According to you if anybody pushes for a fair debate instead of one sided biased view, he becomes a dalal. What are you doing here then. If you were pushing for an Indian platform it would be desirable. But here you are pushing for an imported platform. And you are not an dalal. What double standards.Ok, so you are going to pretend like I have made no points previous. Lol. C-295 has significantly increased payload capacity compared to An-32. C-295 can be manufactured domestically in the country; replacing An-32, which is in all fairness, a junk plane, streamlines the infrastructure required by the IAF and helps in ensuring that parts and spares can be sourced quickly and easily (because they are being... domestically manufactured). There is a high likelihood of increased fuel efficiency (I'm not sure if you know this but this will help reduce the import bill on oil). Simultaneously, there will be an offset clause, as there is with most of these types of deals. Those offsets can be used to hire engineers who can push Kaveri to completion. India will then be on its way to having a genuine, domestic engine.
Most likely though, dalals like you will continue to push for Russia worship and ancient history and nothing will come of these opportunities directly in front.
Edit: I just read through your whole post. Lol, you talk of the F-35. You may not know this, but the F-35, for as good as it is, is not a preferred weapon in the US due to it's extraordinarily high manufacturing and operating costs!
Why ? Convert all of them into true bombers .then we will have to junk it as no other countries other than ex-soviet states can buy or use it.
Problem is spares and maintenance.Why ? Convert all of them into true bombers .