Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[nongaddarliberal]

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They don't crash that regularly anymore though.. about at the same rate as Mig-29 or Jaguars now. Their crash-rate is lowest in the lifetime now that they are at their last legs!!

I think it's because the Khangress era govt didn't buy enough spare parts for proper maintenance.

What is the use of having this obsolete jet? Even if the crash rate is lower now, it is still a hazard and meaningless in today's battlefield. Just for the sake of showing active squadrons we still operate these. Mig29's bring very useful capabilities to the table, and even jaguars. Not so with mig 21s.

 

[bhavesh100]

INDIAN AIRFORCE IS GOING TO BUY 30 SU-30MKI.
Confirmed.

No more Su 30. Ki, develop Utam radar, eccm, etc. BANK ON IT, India will get f35 for Air Force and and navy if TRUMP wins.

 

[bhavesh100]

LOT OF IN INDIA ANWARE, HOW GUJUS ARE BUILDING INDIA AND USA RELATIONSHIP,

 

[Bleh]

What is the use of having this obsolete jet? Even if the crash rate is lower now, it is still a hazard and meaningless in today's battlefield. Just for the sake of showing active squadrons we still operate these. Mig29's bring very useful capabilities to the table, and even jaguars. Not so with mig 21s.

They are swift & sleek... They're too outdated for intense climbing/turning WVR at this age. But if mounted with 4 BVR missiles they can still intercept just as effectively as Mig-29s, especially when working linked with Su-30 & AWACS!

 

[Akula]

They are swift & sleek... If mounted with 4 BVR missiles they can still intercept just as effectively as Mig-29s, especially when working linked with Su-30 & AWACS!

But they are the least maneuverable & least reliable dog-fighters in the subcontinent right now.
Too outdated for intense climbing/turning WVR at this age.

That's why IAF wants to keep Mig-21 Bison till 2024.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

No more Su 30. Ki, develop Utam radar, eccm, etc. BANK ON IT, India will get f35 for Air Force and and navy if TRUMP wins.

Lol
We have different priorities we don't need jets for show of.
We got s-400 because Chinese and Pakistani will have 75+ squadrons and we cannot that much jets. Can we afford 500 F-35?

And why to kill indigenous program AMCA ? Americans will not give sufficient tot for maintenance and nearest service center would be in south korea or Israel and we cannot have that situation in war time.

AMCA will be our baby with which we can do any type of upgrades 30+83 tejas mk1a already ordered which will build roots for development of indigenous industry. 2025-2027 first flight of AMCA will happen. Indigenous is the way forward we cannot kill our own plans to make sure that Americans earn billions. I'm pretty sure this time government will not kick indian stomach to make sure others are having biryani.
Era of congress is gone.

And flying cost and maintance of F-35 will make sure IAF budget crumbles down. We don't need any white elephant.

Su-30mki can out maneuver and out run any Pakistani jet can be armed with bhramos astra. A very decent jet

 

[Bleh]

That's why IAF wants to keep Mig-21 Bison till 2024.

They just used it for WVR combat! At this point, they are the least maneuverable & least reliable dog-fighters in the subcontinent.

The platforms are too old for enduring the stress of a high intensity maneuvering dog-fight. IAF should switch to the role of being a BVR launcher, they will keep flaming out & crashing.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

They are swift & sleek... They're too outdated for intense climbing/turning WVR at this age. But if mounted with 4 BVR missiles they can still intercept just as effectively as Mig-29s, especially when working linked with Su-30 & AWACS!

They are just a embarrassment for the nation.

We cannot aim to become a regional power with flying 60s vintage shit.

World trolls us when we fly that shit. Russians stopped using that shit in 90s.
IAF hated indigenous systems that's why they are suffering today.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

regional

I thought we were above that whether we become great or whatever power, pakistan will keep doing the shit it is famous for.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

We need world class surveillance systems to make sure NAPAKISTAN fails.

And modi government have already increased the cost for terrorism and Pakistan pakjabi will have bhramos in there ass if they try something again.

Once we are great economic power we will hammer with army and will use sanctions to make sure Pakistan goes irrelevant.

Pakistan will break into many pieces 1st or 2nd generation can have love for the nation but 4th and 5th will not have that especially when they are dying from hunger.

@Aaj ka hero

 

[Lancer]

We desperately need to start mass producing LCA MK1A's on an industrial scale. It's the solution to a lot of our problems, whether it's CAP/Interception & Point Defense/CAS - the Tejas can do it all.

A large scale MII deal for Rafales (IAF + IN combined order achieving Economies of Scale) is also very much needed; but until we can make that happen, we at least need to start pumping out LCA's and maybe order a few more squadrons of Sukhois.

 

[assassin162]

The simple reason for IAF still maintaining Mig 21 Bisons is that if we retire them we will not just lose on the number of squadrons but that we also need it to maintain a required number of Pilots. When we will start adding squadrons quickly, how will we cope up with new inductions of pilots, training and the disturbances that will come in ratio of high level officers to low level young officers .....
For example take this, in next 5 years we are going to add around 2 sukhoi squadrons (14th and 15th), 6 Tejas squadrons, 4 Rafale squadrons and 1 mig squadron that is total of 13 squads......if you retire mig 21bisons plus abruptly, than you create a deficit of 6 squadron of more pilots who could have shifted from mig to tejas or others easily.
If I summarise it in a single line - It is required simply to maintain the pilot strength.

 

[Bleh]

They are just a embarrassment for the nation.

We cannot aim to become a regional power with flying 60s vintage shit.

World trolls us when we fly that shit. Russians stopped using that shit in 90s.
IAF hated indigenous systems that's why they are suffering today.

Chinks fly that J-7, Israel flies Mirage-5 copy Kfrir! Mig-21 Bison will be able to fire R-77 just as well as Sukhoi-30 (forget the jet's radar, firing from beyond 50km is a waste).
And frankly without increasing the order of Tejas FOC, IAF does have any other option until after 2020.

Also, indigenous jets weren't available in the '90s & Tejas is just getting ready... The follow-up of Hf-24 Marut called Advanced Strike Aircraft (Hf-73) proposal shouldn't have been throttled in favour of Jaguars, definitely not completely discarded. Had they kept backing the platform until it measured Indian Aerospace industry would have been much better position today & their Pilots would need to keep dying on outdated trash.
Just look at where its latest design reached!

Any pilot dying today are dying because of the stupidity & short sightedness of all GOI, IAF & HAL.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Chinks fly that J-7, Israel flies Mirage-5 copy Kfrir! Mig-21 Bison will be able to fire R-77 just as well as Sukhoi-30 (forget the jet's radar, firing from beyond 50km is a waste).
And frankly without increasing the order of Tejas FOC, IAF does have any other option until after 2020.

Also, indigenous jets weren't available in the '90s & Tejas is just getting ready... The follow-up of Hf-24 Marut called Advanced Strike Aircraft (Hf-73) proposal shouldn't have been throttled in favour of Jaguars, definitely not completely discarded. Had they kept backing the platform until it measured Indian Aerospace industry would have been much better position today & their Pilots would need to keep dying on outdated trash.
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Any pilot dying today are dying because of the stupidity & short sightedness of all GOI, IAF & HAL.

I was not talking about 90s i was talking about tejas.

Iaf always compared tejas with mig - 21 tried to kill that program and had lust for foreign ka maal. That's why i don't feel bad when IAF cries saying we used old shit.


Chinese used inferior weapons to make sure there defence industry grows meanwhile iaf always tried indian defence industry dies.

IAF always treated tejas as a adopted baby.

 

[Bleh]

I was not talking about 90s i was talking about tejas.

IAF always treated tejas as a adopted baby.

You said:

IAF hated indigenous systems that's why they are suffering today.

That's what I was elaborating upon.. the reason Tejas wasn't ready until today & Mig-21 still need to be flown today. It has actually has received enough support in the last 10 years.

If HF-25 got that 50 years ago & Hf-73 30 years ago, then we could have been building quality 4th gen medium fighters by 2000 only.

 

[Bhadra]

I was not talking about 90s i was talking about tejas.

Iaf always compared tejas with mig - 21 tried to kill that program and had lust for foreign ka maal. That's why i don't feel bad when IAF cries saying we used old shit.


Chinese used inferior weapons to make sure there defence industry grows meanwhile iaf always tried indian defence industry dies.

IAF always treated tejas as a adopted baby.

Can we stop this non-sense, using gutter class cliches like foreign ka mal etc etc lest some some takes affront with you on the subject and this becomes a shit thread as always....

Stop behaving like nut case and portraying as if Taejas are lined up on ground rotting and waiting for some one to fly those.

Down to 24 Sqns who will give their money and fund experiments that always fail. The priority has to make up strength and then only look towards the domestic marvel.

Instead of having a serious thought about it and appreciating how the braves of this country fly the coffins in spite of all odds, you have the gumption of casting aspersions on them and their organisation.

You are morally or ethically or even professionally not capable / suitable to do that.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Can we stop this non-sense, using gutter class cliches like foreign ka mal etc etc lest some some takes affront with you on the subject and this becomes a shit thread as always....

Stop behaving like nut case and portraying as if Taejas are lined up on ground rotting and waiting for some one to fly those.

Down to 24 Sqns who will give their money and fund experiments that always fail. The priority has to make up strength and then only look towards the domestic marvel.

Instead of having a serious thought about it and appreciating how the braves of this country fly the coffins in spite of all odds, you have the gumption of casting aspersions on them and their organisation.

You are morally or ethically or even professionally not capable / suitable to do that.

This is what happens when a corrupt MOD is in power because of them and some senior officers we have to fly that junk.
Our brave pilots have to risk there life. Who is the culprit? IAF previous government (who did many deals for corruption) and HAL.

IAF never tried to buy tejas always tried that program just stays on paper only. Treated tejas worst than adopted baby.

The point I'm making is because it's reality sir nothing else. And was spoken By iaf officials only.
IAF will today reject tejas just for there love for foreign systems if congress is in power but modi government is constantly forcing them to use indigenous systems.

What Most of the Defence experts (even from armed forces) say? They say lack of INDIGENOUS SYSTEM IS OUR BIGGEST WEAKNESS.

The Indian Air Force has said that the domestically manufactured Tejas Light Combat Aircraft is not fit enough to protect the Indian skies.

The IAF said the Tejas is far behind its competitors like the JAS 39 Gripen manufactured by the Swedish aerospace company Saab and the US made F-16 manufactured by Lockheed Martin, sources were quoted as saying by India Today Friday.

The IAF made a presentation to the government to explain why Tejas alone can't meet India's requirements.

National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is understood to have raised the issue after the government asked the IAF to scrap its plans to acquire foreign made single engine fighters and go for the Indian made fighters only.

The IAF was earlier reluctant to buy the LCA but due to continuous pressure by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, the Air Force had agreed to buy around 80 more planes from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, making it into a success story.

 

[Shashwat]

I wonder why morally ethically high armed forces had to buy Spike despite it failed multiple test. Nuff said.

 

[Deathstar]

Even if Tejas is inferior we should induct it. Every country started from the bottom. We will only improve as we progress

 

[Bleh]

This is what happens when a corrupt MOD is in power because of them and some senior officers we have to fly that junk.
Our brave pilots have to risk there life. Who is the culprit? IAF previous government (who did many deals for corruption) and HAL.

IAF never tried to buy tejas always tried that program just stays on paper only.

The point I'm making is because it's reality sir nothing else. And was spoken By iaf officials only.

The Indian Air Force has said that the domestically manufactured Tejas Light Combat Aircraft is not fit enough to protect the Indian skies.

The IAF said the Tejas is far behind its competitors like the JAS 39 Gripen manufactured by the Swedish aerospace company Saab and the US made F-16 manufactured by Lockheed Martin, sources were quoted as saying by India Today Friday.

The IAF made a presentation to the government to explain why Tejas alone can't meet India's requirements.

National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is understood to have raised the issue after the government asked the IAF to scrap its plans to acquire foreign made single engine fighters and go for the Indian made fighters only.

The IAF was earlier reluctant to buy the LCA but due to continuous pressure by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, the Air Force had agreed to buy around 80 more planes from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, making it into a success story.

I wonder why morally ethically high armed forces had to buy Spike despite it failed multiple test. Nuff said.

You're not new. How come you're seeing him defend his clients for the first time?

Chill out... Notice how he simply skipped all those posts & parts where it was explained, why Tejas is ready only today & why Indian aerospace industry was not in a position to provide alternatives back in the '90s.
IAF Pilots are dying because of actions of their predecessors & that's it! Discussing about it, won't change the circumstances.

Even if Tejas is inferior we should induct it. Every country started from the bottom. We will only improve as we progress

We should have started at the bottom back in the '70s when IAF killed the successors of Marut.
Tejas FOC is of same quality & capability of Mirage 2000-5 & can be upgraded to Mark 1A standard. But its order won't to be extended beyond 1 squadron.. which means HAL can't expand the assembly line yet.. means more Mig-21 & Jaguar crashes until 2025.