Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Cutting Edge 2]

I think IAF should allow IA to have their own aerial divisions. IAF should stop demanding those platforms as its own. You know, Army received 6 AH-64Es, but has planned to procure upto 39 Apaches (2 squadrons) . No wonder, IAF does not feel good about it.

Who cares what IAF feels? IAF is struggling to maintain its fixed wing fleet yet they are sticking their nose in IA's business. They are getting in the way of modernising IA. What a shame! They are putting lives of our soldiers at danger with these cheap shenanigans.

On top of this we have a MoD that doesn't even understand D of defence.
IAF makes brain dead stupid arguments like "It flies in Air so it belongs to Air Force" :bs: and idiots at MoD take this nonsense seriously.

How long are we going to tolerate this nonsense? We need someone from military background to head MoD who can arm twist IAF. There should be a clear message from MoD that all rotary assets rightfully belongs to IA, both existing and future.

 

[TPFscopes]

Who cares what IAF feels? IAF is struggling to maintain its fixed wing fleet yet they are sticking their nose in IA's business. They are getting in the way of modernising IA. What a shame! They are putting lives of our soldiers at danger with these cheap shenanigans.

On top of this we have a MoD that doesn't even understand D of defence.
IAF makes brain dead stupid arguments like "It flies in Air so it belongs to Air Force" :bs: and idiots at MoD take this nonsense seriously.

How long are we going to tolerate this nonsense? We need someone from military background to head MoD who can arm twist IAF. There should be a clear message from MoD that all rotary assets rightfully belongs to IA, both existing and future.

Chill bro,
Everything is fine ....

IAF theory was already downed. MoD reduced the number of Apaches for IA due the limited funds, and more will be ordered in future as follow on. Also, IA already have 22 HAL Rudra (+40 Ordered) and 114 LCH Ordered for attack role.

Along with this, as soon as the Chief of Defense Staff will be appointed, interoperability between forces will be increased.

 

[Adioz]

Discussion continued form Rafael thread

Strategic bombing is the role of missiles I guess. AMCA can drop bombs and launch cruise missiles if necessary. Since today's nukes are in 100-300kg weight (even pakistan has tactical nuke of 60kg), it is easily possible that AMCA can drop guided nuclear warhead from weapons bay. 200-300kg bombs are generally 2 stage H-bomb with 100-300kT explosives. Boosted fission bombs of 30-40kT weigh at 150kg and tactical nuke can weigh even less at ~100kg.

Almost all planes, even tejas can drop bombs or launch cruise missiles

• Missiles are used for interdiction.
• Strategic bombing targets enemy facilities that will degrade enemy capability to wage a protracted war. A factory producing munitions is a strategic target. However, it is of no immediate military value as the enemy has stockpiles. It is these stockpiles which are of immediate military value.
• Hence, Strategic bombing is resorted to only in a protracted war, by which time we should have already established complete air superiority. Air superiority would enable us to undertake strategic bombing without wasting missiles. Missiles are an expensive way of doing what an aircraft can do. Missiles are best used when Suppression of Enemy Air Defence (SEAD) operations are underway or yet to be undertaken.
• Therefore, by the time Strategic bombing becomes a requirement, SEAD ops have already made bombing targets viable. Missiles are hence not used for strategic bombing.

• Its still debatable if Pakistan has developed a tactical nuclear weapon that can be fired from a Weishi rocket. Also, how did nukes suddenly enter this discussion? We don't use nukes till someone else goes bonkers and uses it on us.

AMCA can perform all roles - air superiority, interception and strategic bombing and there is no need for FGFA. The most crucial part of a jet is engine. If FGFA doesn't have engine of Indian make, it is impossible for India to mass manufacture it according to needs, repair it etc. The other items like Radar, IRST, stealth paint, BVR etc are addons which can be extra fitted and without some of them jets can still perform some roles. But engine is the prime component of a jet. Without engine, a jet can't even be made. That is why FGFA is not the prime goal of India. However, if it comes with technology transfer, it may be bought just for the sake of technology rather than the plane itself.

Engine = plane.

Kaveri engine's success is same as India being capable of making its own fighter jets

• FGFA = Su-57MKI
• Su-57MKI Coming in air bases near you 2025. Whether you like it or not.
• Su-57 MKI is meant to be the primary air superiority fighter of Indian Air Force from 2025-2060. It is a heavy, long range fighter. It might not get Indian engines for a very long time, but it will still work the way Indian Su-30MKI have been working with Russian engines all this time.
• AMCA will be a multirole, medium-weight aircraft that will enter service post-2030. It will most likely have Indian engines. However it will not compete with Su-57MKI in mission roles or anything else. It will primarily replace jets like Jaguar, which were attack aircraft.
• We will mass produce both Su-57MKI and AMCA. Initially, we will produce around 100 of both types. This number may rise along with the the ubiquitous fighure of 42 squadrons. By 2030, we will have a defence budget of at least $150 billion. Such a hefty defence budget might allow for expansion of total number of squadrons to beyond 42, thereby making room for more 5th generation aircraft.
• And before you ask, yes, production of ~100 aircraft of today's era is called mass production. It does not have to be 10000 aircraft like in WW-II.

 

[Anikastha]

I like it that they are going to IA and not the IAF!

Why does IAF needs gunships.
Let them take care of air superiority.

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[patriots]

IAF strengthens eastern base with six Super Hercules jets in Panagarh: Report

 

[Mikesingh]

There should be a clear message from MoD that all rotary assets rightfully belongs to IA, both existing and future.

100% agree! I dunno why the heck the air force needs choppers? Attack choppers must and should be the domain of the army only as they must be wedded into the Integrated Combat Groups as required by the doctrine of deep thrusts also now known as 'Cold Start'. Rotary assets would also need to be closely integrated with the battle groups for logistic support during the offensive for better coordination which is presently the responsibility of the air force which needless to say, makes no sense.

The air force should concentrate only on interdiction, air defence, close air support and strategic transport air support. The argument of the air force that anything flying must be centralized and controlled by the air force for 'ideal asset utilization' is ridiculous.

 

[Mikesingh]

Su-57MKI Coming in air bases near you 2025. Whether you like it or not.

Most unlikely! The PAK FA T-50 rechristened as SU-57 is a highly under-powered aircraft with the present Saturn engines (One of the reasons why the IAF has rejected it in the present config). The next-generation Saturn izdeliye 30 engines will be ready for testing not before early 2018. If successful, they would be ready for the SU-57 only by 2025.

The Russian air force would be inducting 160 of these upgraded fighters which would take another five to six years at the least. So induction into the India Air Force (If it's needed by then) would commence not before 2030-32. Induction of 100 SU-57 would be completed only by 2040 or so!

 

[F-14B]

IAF strengthens eastern base with six Super Hercules jets in Panagarh: Report

Herculese jets??????? you are serious right

 

[Anikastha]

Herculese jets??????? you are serious right

Forget about this.
Tell me in which angle do these russian gunships look like apache ?
Heights of Indian media.

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[ezsasa]

Forget about this.
Tell me in which angle do these russian gunships look like apache ?
Heights of Indian media.

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You will love this entire twitter thread by shiv aroor...

 

[F-14B]

Forget about this.
Tell me in which angle do these russian gunships look like apache ?
Heights of Indian media.

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All hail D3M Desi Dork Media

 

[Mikesingh]

Forget about this.
Tell me in which angle do these russian gunships look like apache ?
Heights of Indian media.

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You should be happy they didn't call them Apache jets!!

 

[Rahul Prakash]

Forget about this.
Tell me in which angle do these russian gunships look like apache ?
Heights of Indian media.

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It just shows you that a huge chunk of our population does not care about military matters enough to check whether details are correct so the press does not and does not need to bother too as it would be wasted effort.

 

[Vinod DX9]

#Defence Minister dedicates indigenously upgraded Hawk-I aircraft to country today at Bangalore

 

[TPFscopes]

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[IndianHawk]

#Defence Minister dedicates indigenously upgraded Hawk-I aircraft to country today at BangaloreView attachment 19370

What will be it's role in iaf . Or it's all for export.

 

[Trololo]

What will be it's role in iaf . Or it's all for export.

Actually this bird would be a good fit for the Afghan Air Force.

 

[sbm]

Actually this bird would be a good fit for the Afghan Air Force.

I also know that countries like Nicaragua, Honduras, Uruguay and even Ecuador could be interested. Keep the price down and it could be an export success.

 

[TPFscopes]

Know about the OSA-AK Surface-To-Air Missile system of Indian Air Force.

Video Credits- India Times

 

[TPFscopes]

Brief Review of IAF's C130J Super Hercules