Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Chinmoy]

Now look at this news.........

3 fighters in race for IAF order.

https://epaper.telegraphindia.com/details/234461-155938731.html

 

[Tactical Frog]

Not willing to sound sarcastic here but I believe the RM also said some months ago that a choice would be announced before end of 2016 for a twin-engine fighter line of production under Make in India program. Do we have to take him seriously this time ?

Now look at this news.........

3 fighters in race for IAF order.

https://epaper.telegraphindia.com/details/234461-155938731.html

The mystery deepens ... is Tejas Mk ii in the race too ?

 

[Chinmoy]

Not willing to sound sarcastic here but I believe the RM also said some months ago that a choice would be announced before end of 2016 for a twin-engine fighter line of production under Make in India program. Do we have to take him seriously this time ?


The mystery deepens ... is Tejas Mk ii in the race too ?

I don't even believe an iota of what this peculiar news paper publish. Most of them is simple gibberish just like this news. The author doesn't even know that Tejas MkII is not even in the same category of F-16 and Gripen other then having single engine. This is not what DM said, this is what these brilliant so called defence experts understand and write.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Its laughable to even consider a paper plane like Tejas Mk2 to F16. In all likelihood, this whole MMRCA part 2 is a sham just like MMRCA part 1 was a sham. IAF wanted rafale from 1st go and is likely to get no more than 54 (36+18) as GOI cant afford more. Bulk of 15billion+ will go to LM's coffers for F16IN which will include key subsystems for 5th gen F35. IAF has no say on this, this was possibly at work for more than 5 years at least as part of new alliance with Uncle. In all likelyhood India will partially get source codes for the new F16 and in return we will have to say goodbye to Russia and FGFA. Result will be RussoChina Pak block against India and loosers will be Indians and winners will be LM executives who will feast on blood of hard working Indians with a 50 year old planne after doing the same with Americans in F35. Moreover possibility of AMCA being nothing more than souped up F35 also cannot be ruled out.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

These are the fruits of democracy where there is no accountability for PSUs like HAL and DRDO which delay vital projects like LCA. In stalinist Russia, they might have been shot dead on spot for such non performance. GOIs silence on AMCA is telling. I am pretty sure AMCA might be F35 with some indian features. We are on way to becoming Americas b**** like Israel with no security guarantees.

 

[Risbo]

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[Chinmoy]

Its laughable to even consider a paper plane like Tejas Mk2 to F16. In all likelihood, this whole MMRCA part 2 is a sham just like MMRCA part 1 was a sham. IAF wanted rafale from 1st go and is likely to get no more than 54 (36+18) as GOI cant afford more. Bulk of 15billion+ will go to LM's coffers for F16IN which will include key subsystems for 5th gen F35. IAF has no say on this, this was possibly at work for more than 5 years at least as part of new alliance with Uncle. In all likelyhood India will partially get source codes for the new F16 and in return we will have to say goodbye to Russia and FGFA. Result will be RussoChina Pak block against India and loosers will be Indians and winners will be LM executives who will feast on blood of hard working Indians with a 50 year old planne after doing the same with Americans in F35. Moreover possibility of AMCA being nothing more than souped up F35 also cannot be ruled out.

Although I too share some of your pain, but here I would like to point out some misplaced facts of yours. When you said that Rafale was what IAF wanted at first place, then you should also see that Gripen too is what IAF is more interested then F-16. GoI could arm twist them once to accept Tejas, but can't keep on doing the same each and every time for all purchases. If they want to go to one plane, they would twist the rules of engagement to make GoI go for it. So it has been mentioned by DM that it would be based on strategic partnership.
Now US already mentioned India as a strategic partner in the region in words, but no such firm documentation exist in official statement. So more then arm twisting IAF this time, its more of political twisting of US and EU by GoI this time around. As far as plane is concerned, IAF would vouch for Gripen and it would be too tough for LM to make any foray into IAF unless and untill they make some unconventional offer.
Rafales, F-18, Mig-29 are twin engine fighters and no consideration is on paper for them right now. As far as FGFA is concerned, GoI and IAF would always go after it unless and until Russia declines it or they think otherwise.
On thought of Tejas, it is a well known fact that a mere number of 120 fighters or 6 squadron is not enough for IAF operational preparedness. Another line of second string single fighters would always be a need to feel up the increasing gap. Its not about churning out Tejas in numbers. You cant vouch everything on Tejas. If that would have been the case, Su-30 alone would have been enough for us.

 

[Risbo]

Although I too share some of your pain, but here I would like to point out some misplaced facts of yours. When you said that Rafale was what IAF wanted at first place, then you should also see that Gripen too is what IAF is more interested then F-16. GoI could arm twist them once to accept Tejas, but can't keep on doing the same each and every time for all purchases. If they want to go to one plane, they would twist the rules of engagement to make GoI go for it. So it has been mentioned by DM that it would be based on strategic partnership.
Now US already mentioned India as a strategic partner in the region in words, but no such firm documentation exist in official statement. So more then arm twisting IAF this time, its more of political twisting of US and EU by GoI this time around. As far as plane is concerned, IAF would vouch for Gripen and it would be too tough for LM to make any foray into IAF unless and untill they make some unconventional offer.
Rafales, F-18, Mig-29 are twin engine fighters and no consideration is on paper for them right now. As far as FGFA is concerned, GoI and IAF would always go after it unless and until Russia declines it or they think otherwise.
On thought of Tejas, it is a well known fact that a mere number of 120 fighters or 6 squadron is not enough for IAF operational preparedness. Another line of second string single fighters would always be a need to feel up the increasing gap. Its not about churning out Tejas in numbers. You cant vouch everything on Tejas. If that would have been the case, Su-30 alone would have been enough for us.

India should buy Russian planes, not US, to help the Russian economy, because the Russians will never be enemies of India.

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[Chinmoy]

India should buy Russian planes, not US, to help the Russian economy, because the Russians will never be enemies of India.

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This has nothing to do with making friend or enemy. This is all about strategic buildup and partnership.
If we talk about friends and enemy, Russia too should keep itself away from Pakistan and Chinese axis. Pakistan is never going to help Russia economically and Chinese would always have border dispute with Russia.

 

[Risbo]

There is a great evil and a little evil. To me, USA is much more evil than Russia.

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[Tarun Kumar]

Although I too share some of your pain, but here I would like to point out some misplaced facts of yours. When you said that Rafale was what IAF wanted at first place, then you should also see that Gripen too is what IAF is more interested then F-16. GoI could arm twist them once to accept Tejas, but can't keep on doing the same each and every time for all purchases. If they want to go to one plane, they would twist the rules of engagement to make GoI go for it. So it has been mentioned by DM that it would be based on strategic partnership.
Now US already mentioned India as a strategic partner in the region in words, but no such firm documentation exist in official statement. So more then arm twisting IAF this time, its more of political twisting of US and EU by GoI this time around. As far as plane is concerned, IAF would vouch for Gripen and it would be too tough for LM to make any foray into IAF unless and untill they make some unconventional offer.
Rafales, F-18, Mig-29 are twin engine fighters and no consideration is on paper for them right now. As far as FGFA is concerned, GoI and IAF would always go after it unless and until Russia declines it or they think otherwise.
On thought of Tejas, it is a well known fact that a mere number of 120 fighters or 6 squadron is not enough for IAF operational preparedness. Another line of second string single fighters would always be a need to feel up the increasing gap. Its not about churning out Tejas in numbers. You cant vouch everything on Tejas. If that would have been the case, Su-30 alone would have been enough for us.

Grippen is a dead duck. Most of its components are sourced from outside Sweden. I seriously doubt it can be made in India in the first place if there are so many 3rd party vendors outside SAAB fold. The only aircraft that fits the bill is F16 IN. Now India may get a sufia type arrangement with US for F16 but it is well known that final control over F16IN will still rest with uncle. And FGFA would only have worked if we had enough tejas to fulfill our squadron strength. 120 odd aircrafts after 20 years in development is laughable.The number should have been at least 200-300 given that no government would compromise on AMCA. It can either be Tejas+AMCA +FGFA or Tejas+F16+AMCA.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Which is why I am totally against democracy . In a matter of survival India has been let down by DRDO/ADA and HAL and their officials must pay for this

 

[Chinmoy]

Grippen is a dead duck. Most of its components are sourced from outside Sweden. I seriously doubt it can be made in India in the first place if there are so many 3rd party vendors outside SAAB fold. The only aircraft that fits the bill is F16 IN. Now India may get a sufia type arrangement with US for F16 but it is well known that final control over F16IN will still rest with uncle. And FGFA would only have worked if we had enough tejas to fulfill our squadron strength. 120 odd aircrafts after 20 years in development is laughable.The number should have been at least 200-300 given that no government would compromise on AMCA. It can either be Tejas+AMCA +FGFA or Tejas+F16+AMCA.

Totally wrong concept you have developed there. None of the foreign made aircraft is 100 % in house. Each and every does have a range of sub components which are procured from outside its manufacturing base. Even Rafale is not 100% French in that regard. FGFA too is not 100% Russian. We all know what is the percentage of indigenous content in Tejas.
For any control over any sort of platform, you need to have full control over the system. Now you get full control over the system when you purchase it. You could have face some issue in its maintenance part because of the spare, but this is what every foreign purchase meet. We already faced that with all the Russian fighters or in case of Mirage and Jaguar too. If we are purchasing F-16 from US, ho come its control would rest with US? We are not taking it on lease like Akula, which restrain us from using it aggressively at time of war. If you are talking about US and Pak F-16 deals till date, then you should know that Pakistan has never ever purchased them from US. So US would always retain its operational right under the deal.
FGFA has nothing to do with Tejas, F-16, Rafale or Gripen to start with. Its a totally different system. Its use would be on different perspective. Even if AMCA would have been kicking right now, then too India would have gone for FGFA. Signing a single engine deal doesn't speak of ending FGFA. Don't even compare AMCA with FGFA.

 

[Chinmoy]

Which is why I am totally against democracy . In a matter of survival India has been let down by DRDO/ADA and HAL and their officials must pay for this

What good has other pvt sectors done for India on defence deals?

 

[Chinmoy]

There is a great evil and a little evil. To me, USA is much more evil than Russia.

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And when it comes to siding with evil, one would always choose whichever evil gives him more opportunity.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

You have very little understanding how things work around, All those are part of GOI and GOI controls them, Their is a problem is within GOI and HAL / ADA / DRDO / ARMY etc are not very different entity ..

Your and few other thinks that problem will be solved by foreign intervention, Nothing can be done with foreign help unless you are corrupt and broken within, Root out issues from within and things will settle on their places, No Pvt firms are not controlled by GOI, GOI presently taking lot of issues to control its own PSUs, Thanks to the former government polices ..

 

[Risbo]

You have very little understanding how things work around, All those are part of GOI and GOI controls them, Their is a problem is within GOI and HAL / ADA / DRDO / ARMY etc are not very different entity ..

Your and few other thinks that problem will be solved by foreign intervention, Nothing can be done with foreign help unless you are corrupt and broken within, Root out issues from within and things will settle on their places, No Pvt firms are not controlled by GOI, GOI presently taking lot of issues to control its own PSUs, Thanks to the former government polices ..

Never allow any foreign intervention in your country, it is the greatest curse!!!
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[Kunal Biswas]

Foreign intervention in context of weapon procurement via private firms in our country ..

Never allow any foreign intervention in your country, it is the greatest curse!!!
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[PD_Solo]

Never allow any foreign intervention in your country, it is the greatest curse!!!
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Foreign intervention refers to the use of the discretionary power of a government in one society to address perceived problems in foreignsocieties. In addressing these problems, foreign interventions aim to construct a preferable state of affairs in these societies from the standpoint of those intervening

It can be referred to Syrian or Somalian crisis.

In case of lobbying/meddling/bribing for arms purchase,it's not intervention.That happens in many Western countries also.

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[airtel]

India should buy Russian planes, not US, to help the Russian economy, because the Russians will never be enemies of India.

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we Buy weapons to defend ourselves ......................and we will buy the weapons because of quality .

to help Russian Economy we can buy their Oil .