Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[SilentlAssassin265]

* Can't fill in commision money

 

[WarmongerLSK]

Then why should we even have them.. if not for transport job ?

Unfortunately we are still continuing with these design and producing them in India.

You mean producing new helis? Was there an order from IA/IAF?

 

[Corvus Splendens]

This is a necessity imo, since we're looking at a radar upgrade and addition of multiple sensors.

 

[samsaptaka]

It is ridiculous that this MRFA circus is being allowed to be circulated for so long.
Despite knowing full well that we are not a first world country with $$$ printing presses, the IAF seems to want only a western gold plated MRFA figther jet, but not more Rafales, or Su-30 etc...
Why do they not want more Rafales, SU-30 ? Any explanation given by them ?
Ok, Bharatiya fighters won't fit the bill, let us agree (though that is also debatable), but what about the above 2 ? Surely having more squadrons of Su-30 MKI can arrest the freefall of fighter numbers ? Why is the govt also not forcing such solutions down the Imported Air Force throats ? Too much...

 

[ezsasa]

It is ridiculous that this MRFA circus is being allowed to be circulated for so long.
Despite knowing full well that we are not a first world country with $$$ printing presses, the IAF seems to want only a western gold plated MRFA figther jet, but not more Rafales, or Su-30 etc...
Why do they not want more Rafales, SU-30 ? Any explanation given by them ?
Ok, Bharatiya fighters won't fit the bill, let us agree (though that is also debatable), but what about the above 2 ? Surely having more squadrons of Su-30 MKI can arrest the freefall of fighter numbers ? Why is the govt also not forcing such solutions down the Imported Air Force throats ? Too much...

because russians are not a forthcoming vendor, MoD wanted to buy 9 additional SU-30 mki and 21 Mig-29K, that deal is going no where. some years ago, russians even made fuss about modifications to AC in T-90s.

if the vendor is not proactive to sell their products, as a customer there is no choice but to look for other alternatives.

as far as open competition is concerned, a single vendor situation leads to vendor taking us for a ride. competition gives us space to negotiate.

Nobody is doing charity here, we have a right to try and maximise our negotiating position.

 

[samsaptaka]

because russians are not a forthcoming vendor, MoD wanted to buy 9 additional SU-30 mki and 21 Mig-29K, that deal is going no where. some years ago, russians even made fuss about modifications to AC in T-90s.

if the vendor is not proactive to sell their products, as a customer there is no choice but to look for other alternatives.

as far as open competition is concerned, a single vendor situation leads to vendor taking us for a ride. competition gives us space to negotiate.

Nobody is doing charity here, we have a right to try and maximise our negotiating position.

OK, what about purchasing more Rafales, why only MRFA is the solution, isn't the Rafale almost a 5gen aircraft with quite good capabilities. Rafale is expensive, but surely MRFA is not going to be cheap is it ?

 

[ezsasa]

OK, what about purchasing more Rafales, why only MRFA is the solution, isn't the Rafale almost a 5gen aircraft with quite good capabilities. Rafale is expensive, but surely MRFA is not going to be cheap is it ?

acquisition of rafale is a political decision, if it was left to regular process that acquisition would not have happened.

but having acquired rafale, now it's up the muricans to offer a better deal.

MRFA is just MMRCA with another name.

why exactly MRFA is still going on? i guess we will have to wait for some retired ACM to write a book about it.

 

[samsaptaka]

acquisition of rafale is a political decision, if it was left to regular process that acquisition would not have happened.

Nope, there was whole fighter evaluation done by IAF back in congi days during 2009-10 and finally IAF themselves selected Rafale as meeting all requirements. So why not pursue it to its logical end, i.e the original no. of 108 (or something) instead of 36 . Rather than redoing the circus AGAIN ? Esp. when you know that the circus takes nearly 10 years before you even get your hands on the first jet ? Isn't it common sense - which I feel IAF lacks

 

[Corvus Splendens]

It is ridiculous that this MRFA circus is being allowed to be circulated for so long.
Despite knowing full well that we are not a first world country with $$$ printing presses, the IAF seems to want only a western gold plated MRFA figther jet, but not more Rafales, or Su-30 etc...
Why do they not want more Rafales, SU-30 ? Any explanation given by them ?
Ok, Bharatiya fighters won't fit the bill, let us agree (though that is also debatable), but what about the above 2 ? Surely having more squadrons of Su-30 MKI can arrest the freefall of fighter numbers ? Why is the govt also not forcing such solutions down the Imported Air Force throats ? Too much...

They want Rafales, the tenders are just jhumla and killing time till F4 standard is certified and ready for orders. They want it so much, they won't order Tejas Mk2 even when it's ready, until this 118 MRFA deal gets green signal. They already showed intent to not persue Mk1A orders.

 

[ezsasa]

Nope, there was whole fighter evaluation done by IAF back in congi days during 2009-10 and finally IAF themselves selected Rafale as meeting all requirements. So why not pursue it to its logical end, i.e the original no. of 108 (or something) instead of 36 . Rather than redoing the circus AGAIN ? Esp. when you know that the circus takes nearly 10 years before you even get your hands on the first jet ? Isn't it common sense - which I feel IAF lacks

hence the use of the word political decision, yes we know rafale passed on technical parameters. yet it was not acquired by previous govt, which makes it a political decision.

like i said, we have to wait for some retired ACM to write a book. we can speculate, but speculation is of limited use.

 

[pankaj nema]

acquisition of rafale is a political decision, if it was left to regular process that acquisition would not have happened.

but having acquired rafale, now it's up the muricans to offer a better deal.

MRFA is just MMRCA with another name.

why exactly MRFA is still going on? i guess we will have to wait for some retired ACM to write a book about it.

MRFA is going on because right Now we have Nothing Comparable to
SPECTRA and METEOR combination

Neither the Upgraded SU 30 Nor Tejas MK 2 will match This Spectra Meteor Combination

We can Hope that Astra MK 3 and Whatever Jammers we are buying like Israeli ,DRDO or Russian jammers , help SU 30 mki evade PL 15 AAMs

Because SU 30 lights up like a Christmas Tree ,according to Pakistanis On PDF

Our UTTAM AESA will match RBE2 AESA so that is Not a problem

 

[johnj]

It is ridiculous that this MRFA circus is being allowed to be circulated for so long.
Despite knowing full well that we are not a first world country with $$$ printing presses, the IAF seems to want only a western gold plated MRFA figther jet, but not more Rafales, or Su-30 etc...
Why do they not want more Rafales, SU-30 ? Any explanation given by them ?
Ok, Bharatiya fighters won't fit the bill, let us agree (though that is also debatable), but what about the above 2 ? Surely having more squadrons of Su-30 MKI can arrest the freefall of fighter numbers ? Why is the govt also not forcing such solutions down the Imported Air Force throats ? Too much...

IAF want 114 rafales, and mrfa is a process to acquire them.
IAF already described to MOD, why su30 can't replace mmrca/mrfa needs.
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MoD waiting for mwf to fly, after that GoI buys additional 36 rafale and mwf to fill mrfa requirement.

 

[Gyyan]

IAF want 114 rafales, and mrfa is a process to acquire them.
IAF already described to MOD, why su30 can't replace mmrca/mrfa needs.
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MoD waiting for mwf to fly, after that GoI buys additional 36 rafale and mwf to fill mrfa requirement.

CAATSA?

 

[johnj]

Nope, there was whole fighter evaluation done by IAF back in congi days during 2009-10 and finally IAF themselves selected Rafale as meeting all requirements. So why not pursue it to its logical end, i.e the original no. of 108 (or something) instead of 36 . Rather than redoing the circus AGAIN ? Esp. when you know that the circus takes nearly 10 years before you even get your hands on the first jet ? Isn't it common sense - which I feel IAF lacks

IAF shortlisted both eft & rafale, both UPA & NDA started process to acquiring 126 jets but suddenly GoI cancelled the deal and acquired 36 rafale, its political decision.

 

[johnj]

CAATSA?

What CAATSA?
GoI can buy 100~1000 mki upgraded version with out CAATSA, CAATSA only comes if India buys a new kind of weapons like S400, Su35 or checkmate, t14 etc.
GoI brought S400 with out caasta, US only consider caasta if it meets it requirements.

 

[johnj]

Nope, there was whole fighter evaluation done by IAF back in congi days during 2009-10 and finally IAF themselves selected Rafale as meeting all requirements. So why not pursue it to its logical end, i.e the original no. of 108 (or something) instead of 36 . Rather than redoing the circus AGAIN ? Esp. when you know that the circus takes nearly 10 years before you even get your hands on the first jet ? Isn't it common sense - which I feel IAF lacks

IAF shortlisted both eft & rafale, both UPA & NDA started process to acquiring 126 jets but suddenly GoI cancelled the deal and acquired 36 rafale, its political decision.

 

[Eagle Eye]

UPA & NDA started process to acquiring 126 jets but suddenly GoI cancelled the deal and acq 36 rafale,its political decision.

bec dassult didnt agree to QA built by hal. Cost rose to 20B$ frm10B$.

 

[johnj]

bec dassult didnt agree to QA built by hal. Cost rose to 20B$ frm10B$.

I read in a newspaper that 1.issue with HAL sorted out & 2.mmrca deal 99% complected & 3.the main person who is responsible for negotiation of the deal passed away & 4.GoI cancelled the deal and brought 36 rafale.

 

[Eagle Eye]

3.the main person who is responsible for negotiation of the deal passed away

1,2.NO.
3 deal is continueing process,be some dead or not.
4 Parrikar talked abt DEAL, going nowhere...run in circles.

 

[johnj]

1,2.NO.
3 deal is continueing process,be some dead or not.
4 Parrikar talked abt DEAL, going nowhere...run in circles.

Multiple newspapers written about 1,2 and 4. 3 also from a newspaper.
These news 1,2,3 & 4 not written in a single paper, but in different papers during different periods.
Why the deal is cancelled is a mystery, and not related to HAL.
If HAL can't assemble then who can, Boeing, UAC, Saab,LM, EFT erf had no issue with HAL and HAL is fully capable of manufacturing fighter jets, if you consider Quality, then what is the quality of scorpene sub & upgraded M2k ?