Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[IndianHawk]

And that CBG will find itself caught between Malacca and Hormuz and nowhere to hide

It will have escorts too along with hundreds of defensive missiles. It will need to be saturated with overwhelming force.

 

[johnj]

Should get F/A-18 Hornets in extra numbers for maritime strike role, freeing Jaguars and Su-30MKIs from it. F/A-18 + P8I is a deadly combo and plethora of anti-ship munitions that nobody will dare cross the Malacca strait.

brahmos,brahmos er, brahmos lr, brahmos ng, brahmos 2, drdo subsonic AShCM etc - p8/sh not a match for mki, & mki[2sqn] replaced jaguar. No need of 142/22/160.

 

[IndianHawk]

The USSR built bombers to saturate the air defence of a USN carrier group .

One is this itself. Being able to saturate defences of whatever are chinese planning for Indian Ocean and near neighbourhood including carrier group , bases etc.

Second bombers can loiter over long ranges and hit enemy from unexpected directions forcing them to multiply there defences watch there rear.

Strategic nuke delivery again from unexpected directions.

Being able to drop a whole lot of payload at once to destroy enemy convoy infrastructure etc for ex a single tu160 can drop as much payload as 6 su30mki at once that too at much longer distances.

Big bombers allow bigger weapons with more range. No more shortening bramhos. And future hypersonic missiles will be much heavier if they have to hit 1000+ km away . A big bomber is best platform for them.

 

[tribendra bisoi..]

Do we need strategic bomber immediately ? Yes we ll need it 20 years from now in future . Right now i dont think there is any use against china pakistan threat . Prime goal at this moment is invest money in reducing and ageing fighter squadron , tanker , awacs , Engine development , And if money is there another aircraft career if TEDBF project gets ready by 2030 -32 . if its two front for us it must be two front air attack from land and aircraft career for pakistan as well .

What is the cost of these bomber anyway ?

 

[IndianHawk]

I'm quite tired of all these we don't need these debates. We are going to be third largest economy of the world pretty soon. ( Already are in PPP).

We have will have strategic interest all over tha world and we will need to field third largest military on planets accordingly and it must include everything to increase options for our forces.

So yes we need everything. How fast we get those things are debatable but that we need it all isn't.

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

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[binayak95]

It will have escorts too along with hundreds of defensive missiles. It will need to be saturated with overwhelming force.

Yeah it will be - which is why there are only two kinds of ships in the oceans, Submarines and TARGETS.

 

[Cheran]

Please forgive me, i could not resist

 

[jai jaganath]

Please forgive me, i could not resist

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Mereko ye maal chahiye at any cost chahiye

 

[johnj]

Mereko ye maal chahiye at any cost chahiye

Better luck with b2 or b21.

 

[jai jaganath]

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Better luck with b2 or b21.

Are baba
Understand the sarcasm
I meant the drugs or weed he is using
I need that drug which he is consuming

 

[BABAJI321]

Mereko ye maal chahiye at any cost chahiye

Banarasi yeh phook raha hai...chahiye?

 

[jai jaganath]

Banarasi yeh phook raha hai...chahiye?

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Chi maine kya social tha
I am disappointed
Baba tune thik nahi kiya

 

[no smoking]

And Chinese bombers are not even impressive , its pathetic to even call them "strategic bomber"

No one (even Chinese) call them "Strategic bomber".

H-6.. It can barely carry 8 ton.

You can't expect too much from a 1950s bomber.

JH-7 .. Can carry 10 ton
Su-30MKI missile truck... Can carry 8 ton ....

Both are not bomber.

 

[no smoking]

US CBG can sustain a saturation strike of 60 Harpoon class missiles. Easily.

and with more and more burkes being equipped with DEWs, expect that number to increase exponentially.

There is no doubt the defending method has been improving, but the attacking side is also progressing: drones, anti-ship ballistic missiles, hypersonic missiles, decoy, etc, etc.

And don't forget, the attacking side also has 2 important advantages:
1. They have quantity - far more than the total number of AD missiles carried on the ships;
2. They can quickly make up their loss. On the other hand, if more than 2 or 3 burkes are knock out, the AD network will have a big hole which can't be fixed before returning to their harbor.

 

[no smoking]

India still needs to destroy infrastructure in Tibet and might need saturation attacks against bridges , railway tracks to cut off Tibet from mainland.

Before you completely destroy the AD network and all Chinese interceptors in the battlefield, you can't put bombers into the hostile area.

 

[binayak95]

There is no doubt the defending method has been improving, but the attacking side is also progressing: drones, anti-ship ballistic missiles, hypersonic missiles, decoy, etc, etc.

And don't forget, the attacking side also has 2 important advantages:
1. They have quantity - far more than the total number of AD missiles carried on the ships;
2. They can quickly make up their loss. On the other hand, if more than 2 or 3 burkes are knock out, the AD network will have a big hole which can't be fixed before returning to their harbor.

the limitation on number of Standard Missile load on Alreigh Burkes is why the USN (and IN with the P18 class DDGs) is moving to laser based defence for point defence to short range defence (replacing the ESSM and Rolling Airframe Missiles - and freeing up more VLS for SM loads)

 

[Adm Kenobi]

US CBG can sustain a saturation strike of 60 Harpoon class missiles. Easily.

and with more and more burkes being equipped with DEWs, expect that number to increase exponentially.

Much more than 60 actually. USN uses carriers in tandem during wartime (& the case will be same for PLAN in late 30s-beyond), that includes a dozen Aegis escorts. 60 harpoon is a small number, it can take on way more than twice that 'currently'.

And that CBG will find itself caught between Malacca and Hormuz and nowhere to hide

Dunno if you noticed but, there's a pretty big water body between those two location. & the PLAN CSG would be on the offensive if not countered with adequate air power by IN/IAF.

Yeah it will be - which is why there are only two kinds of ships in the oceans, Submarines and TARGETS.

Are you implying that submarines aren't painted targets?

& let me rephrase it a bit,

"There are three kinds of boats/task force in an ocean, one with adequate AAW capability, one struggling with air raids, and one with negligible AAW capability that will soon be resting."
Guess where a submarine fits in?

 

[daya]

Ladies and Gentleman after Finishing my work. I started my part time now for an Russian Dalal firm who are specialized in selling Strategic Bombers. Here is my product portfolio we are selling for Russian Armed forces and other prospective superpowers like Indians.

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Our state of art product TU - 95. Great in your pocket and reliable as fuck. Also as a complementary lifetime Vodka supply to Chandigarh based Army distribution committee who are nothing more than friend with us.

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A pretty unique kid in the block. Loves to go for fishing in sea. Can carry your most beloved mizzle Brahmos. As a complementary we will provide 7D mat and Ganesh Idol. These are all Limited warranty offer.

View attachment 166986

The latest kid from our company offering. Can carry 45 tonnes of Kadi ninda mizziles. Heard some issue with Noodles eating guys. Will help you in this situation. 10 years or 12000 hrs airframe warranty. As a complementary we will provide Natasha's Massage service to Lucky winners if they get us this tender.


Our competitors have some drawbacks compared to our state of art products.
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See you guys on next sales week.

Kharid kar karenge bhi kya... practice sorties ke alawa...

 

[binayak95]

Much more than 60 actually. USN uses carriers in tandem during wartime (& the case will be same for PLAN in late 30s-beyond), that includes a dozen Aegis escorts. 60 harpoon is a small number, it can take on way more than twice that 'currently'.

Agreed entirely, the 60 figure is just a ballpark minimum.

Dunno if you noticed but, there's a pretty big water body between those two location. & the PLAN CSG would be on the offensive if not countered with adequate air power by IN/IAF

Well the IOR is thoroughly surveyed - between IFC IOR and mission based deployments and strings of coastal radar and surveillance stations, its near impossible for a chinese fleet to be sneaky. This tweet below should be a very good indication of present day capabilities:

And as far a submarine being vulnerable to air attacks - yes absolutely, when the enemy has long range maritime patrol aircraft that can operate with impunity over hostile seas.

China doesnt and cannot operate such aircraft over the IOR at all in conflict.