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But sirji, isn't that a really weak Loadout for a live mission,
Depends on the type of mission. Chinese are shy to escalate hence very slim chances of scenario where we will need to fire missiles.
However, what sometimes happens is that the Chinese in their trashcan jets (JH-7s, Su-27s) get aggressive, fly very close and try to ram you. So you need to carry some pointy-sticks to show you are not afraid to shove them up their exhaust.

But AFAIK, generally CAP missions are flown with two WVRs and Two BVRs
During 27th Feb & aftermath, we found out that missiles deteriorate quickly when flown in a combat mission, and many missiles were discarded like that. The chances of a jet carrying the missiles vs. firing them is around 1% in a sortie.
So the decision was taken to lightly arm CAP jets with few missiles (2x R-77s or R-73s) only.
 

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But AFAIK, generally CAP missions are flown with two WVRs and Two BVRs
This is terrain and general area familiarisation sortie. This isn't a CAP by any stretch of the imagination.

Caps are generally flown with 4-6 aams. 6 is the most common and is the case for VVS while RAF QRA Typhoons fly with 8 air to air missiles .

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This is a Typhoon on QRA .
 
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Depends on the type of mission. Chinese are shy to escalate hence very slim chances of scenario where we will need to fire missiles.
However, what sometimes happens is that the Chinese in their trashcan jets (JH-7s, Su-27s) get aggressive, fly very close and try to ram you. So you need to carry some pointy-sticks to show you are not afraid to shove them up their exhaust.



During 27th Feb & aftermath, we found out that missiles deteriorate quickly when flown in a combat mission, and many missiles were discarded like that. The chances of a jet carrying the missiles vs. firing them is around 1% in a sortie.
So the decision was taken to lightly arm CAP jets with few missiles (2x R-77s or R-73s) only.
You are wrong here. It wasn't found out after 27th . It was always the case.

Air to air missiles and even air to ground have a limited no of hours of carriage time in hundreds of hours. After that, the missiles need to be taken off service and subjected to an overhaul. For IR seekers the life is even limited and then there's the stuff of cooling .

Western nations with small ac fleets and a relatively large no of missiles can afford to fly with 8 aam on cap and QRA duties. In our case, we load up our acs with 6-8 only when we are on heightened states of alert like during and in the aftermath of Balakot.

But even then I am not positively certain about the no of missiles we carry during such occasions.
 

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You are wrong here. It wasn't found out after 27th . It was always the case.

Air to air missiles and even air to ground have a limited no of hours of carriage time in hundreds of hours. After that, the missiles need to be taken off service and subjected to an overhaul. For IR seekers the life is even limited and then there's the stuff of cooling .

Western nations with small ac fleets and a relatively large no of missiles can afford to fly with 8 aam on cap and QRA duties. In our case, we load up our acs with 6-8 only when we are on heightened states of alert like during and in the aftermath of Balakot.

But even then I am not positively certain about the no of missiles we carry during such occasions.
Yes, I put it the wrong way, we always knew, but it was more like a realization that, during active high-intensity conflict how quickly our armament fleet can deplete without even fighting a war (or firing a missile), so like be more conservative about ammunition.

Aftermath Balakot I have seldom seen any jet with full A2A loadout.
 

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A challenge for all. I made an April Fool video on fictional air combat. But used real references , from films or novels....can you identify those references?
 

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