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At the end of the day they're not going to do much. USA won't sell India BMDs, they have to get them from Russia. USA won't sanction the fuck out of Porks like they did with Iran to give up their nukes. Trump at least didn't lecture India about peace and tolerance like Obama did, but he failed to deliver (could have gone way beyond simply cutting off aid). They want India's help to contain China, but won't give India what it wants in return.

Just like when US presidential candidates drop a line about working with Russia to fight ISIS, then go and antagonize Russia every other chance they can get. A foreign policy based on idealism will naturally contradict itself eventually.
 

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Once the 2024 Republican primary kicks off, (which will start after the 2022 primaries) it may be possible to reach out to populist right candidates and pitch a policy of denuclearizing Pakistan via economic sanctions. Deep state cunts, like that one CIA director who wrote an NYT article crying about Trump and Russia, will complain but we may be able to override them. With Biden being demented, and the need for Pakistan in Afghanistan being several years removed, it will be the best bet.

Meanwhile Indian leadership needs to grow a pair and tell the US it's one or the other, you can't have both India and Pakistan, if you chose Pakistan, India will join China. If you want India's help with QUAD and etc, you have to assist in denuclearizing Porks.
 

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Once the 2024 Republican primary kicks off, (which will start after the 2022 primaries) it may be possible to reach out to populist right candidates and pitch a policy of denuclearizing Pakistan via economic sanctions. Deep state cunts, like that one CIA director who wrote an NYT article crying about Trump and Russia, will complain but we may be able to override them. With Biden being demented, and the need for Pakistan in Afghanistan being several years removed, it will be the best bet.
Really? Why denuclearizing Pakistan?
Because US wants to see a South Asia or even India Ocean dominated by India?
Pakistan was, is and will be the best partner for any foreign power in South Asia to keep India under check.

Meanwhile Indian leadership needs to grow a pair and tell the US it's one or the other, you can't have both India and Pakistan, if you chose Pakistan, India will join China. If you want India's help with QUAD and etc, you have to assist in denuclearizing Porks.
Firstly, QUAD is not a military alliance, far from it;
Secondly, US, as well as China, clearly knows that India won't join China because neither American, nor Chinese need India: their conflict point is in west Pacific but Indian navy won't leave India Ocean.
 

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Really? Why denuclearizing Pakistan?
Because US wants to see a South Asia or even India Ocean dominated by India?
Pakistan was, is and will be the best partner for any foreign power in South Asia to keep India under check.
Times have changed, the cold war is over. It is China that the US wants to keep in check, not India. Pakistan has outlived its usefulness. No one wants a failed state run by Jihadists to have nuclear weapons, US had to pretend otherwise for an extra couple of decades because they needed Pakistani military assistance with the Afghan war
Firstly, QUAD is not a military alliance, far from it;
Secondly, US, as well as China, clearly knows that India won't join China because neither American, nor Chinese need India: their conflict point is in west Pacific but Indian navy won't leave India Ocean.
It's not a formal military alliance like NATO, no, but for all intents and purposes it is.
Also it's not that hard to sail from the Indian ocean to the west pacific...
 

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Times have changed, the cold war is over. It is China that the US wants to keep in check, not India. Pakistan has outlived its usefulness.
Well, India is still there. As long as she still has the potential to become a global power, Pakistan is a good partner. US doesn't need Pakistan that much for now, but it doesn't they will not need Pakistan for ever.

No one wants a failed state run by Jihadists to have nuclear weapons, US had to pretend otherwise for an extra couple of decades because they needed Pakistani military assistance with the Afghan war
Learn that from Hollywood movie right? A country run by a group of terrorists who don't give damn about economic and political reality is pure fantasy created by Hollywood.

Just look at
1. Iran who is much more religious than Pakistan;
2. North Korea which is more extreme and aggressive;

Both are still talking and negotiating.

The fact is: both US and China are not that worried about the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapon.

It's not a formal military alliance like NATO, no, but for all intents and purposes it is.
But no military obligations.

Also it's not that hard to sail from the Indian ocean to the west pacific...
Sailing from Indian Ocean to west pacific is not hard, but deploying over there for long term is much harder, especially you have to make these Indian soldiers under American commanding.
 

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Well, India is still there. As long as she still has the potential to become a global power, Pakistan is a good partner. US doesn't need Pakistan that much for now, but it doesn't they will not need Pakistan for ever.
India, even when surpassing US, won't be a downright pain in the arse. Our foreign policy has always been minimal footprint. In fact, US wouldn't have such an anti-China bias if China didn't reciprocate it. Meanwhile, ours has always been far more neutral. No wolf warrior diplomacy or Military videos showing our military bombing Gitmo. That's just laughable.
Will US not try to contain us? Of course they will. That's like, their itch. They need to scratch it or they can't sleep at night. Still, they probably won't be doing it by keeping a terror state thriving, especially a double crossing terror state with a treacherous past of playing both sides and an active nuclear arsenal.

Learn that from Hollywood movie right? A country run by a group of terrorists who don't give damn about economic and political reality is pure fantasy created by Hollywood.

Just look at
1. Iran who is much more religious than Pakistan;
2. North Korea which is more extreme and aggressive;
You really don't know much about Pakistani society, do you? Or Iranian at that.

Let me tell you, it's the government of Iran that is religious, not the people. The people (even the Army officers and soldiers) are mildly (reasonably) religious or outright atheists. If Iran were to go full jihadi, the protest by the people would rock the chair of Raisi today.
This is in stark contrast to Pakistan, where the public is a raging looney tunes show and the Army (which is also the government) keeps them reeled in lest they start jumping the border to "keel Kafir Hindooos".
North Korea is an atheist state, conniving, cunning and can compromise on it's own principles to preserve itself, unlike religious fanaticism.
Also, how does Iran factor into the equation anyways? They do not have nukes and they were bombing US bases in 2020 with missiles lol. THAT is religious fanaticism, although still far less than what would come to fore if Pakistan is handed over to it's crowd of hoodlums.
Also, I bet US wouldn't want another North Korea or Iran and would rather nip the bud before it blooms into another anti-US state. You're basically making our point, just in a disagreeing tone.

But no military obligations.
Give it time.
Sailing from Indian Ocean to west pacific is not hard, but deploying over there for long term is much harder, especially you have to make these Indian soldiers under American commanding.

What are you even saying mate?
 

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Their country their policy, there is a limit to what india can do about it.

Bigger issue is people not being aware that such a prejudice exists within US.

Same with US policy at federal level, for a long time there was no Hindu representation in USCIRF created by Clinton.
A textbook response already exists for this kind of stuff and it was made by libcuck amerimutts themselves.

Indian representatives must target their race(white race) every trivial issue must be seen under the lens of White Supremacy and white/American exceptionalism.
Any attempt at distorting Indic culture practices must be treated as cultural appropriation and a attempt to wipe out non- white culture.
This particular concept is called cultural appropriation and it is used by their own libcucks to cancel white people donning non white cultural aspects.


Americans are paranoid about race so we should make everything about race, it is a malpractice and not honorable but we would never counter American arrogance otherwise.

We are not white and we should assert that.

It should be made clear that White Supremacist use Christianity as a boogey to destroy non-white culture, example- Native American culture, Spanish Inquisition.

Hit where it hurts the most, no need to play fair.
 

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40 usa university coming together .. there are muslim and christian speakers as well .. Pagans ll never be tolerated

So disgusting to see the sheer number of Hindu speakers on that list. Of course it's not like they could lead with White speakers or anything because that would be racist (alienating to Hindu liberal allies).

Don't worry, I'll never listen to these pathetic self-hating naive idealistic delusional losers who can't grasp the concept that bending over backwards in front Islamo facists who want to use you to destroy your people won't work.
 

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40 usa university coming together .. there are muslim and christian speakers as well .. Pagans ll never be tolerated

kavita krishnan (she male commie), anand pathwardhan (award wapasi gang), meena candasamy (victim card, yes some stupid called her blackie so she's fighting brahmanical supremacy) Other people I don't know but seems rice bag gang.
Kuch nahin ukhaad pahenge, so long pappu does not go away, no one will replace Modi.
 

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India, even when surpassing US, won't be a downright pain in the arse. Our foreign policy has always been minimal footprint.
Minimal footprint? Said by India, right?
Did you see any other developing country having 2-3 aircraft carriers operated when their economy was still in shit hole?
Did you see any other developing country marking herself as the head of Non-aligned movement?

Believe or not, India's ambition has always been obvious, more than her capability.

In fact, US wouldn't have such an anti-China bias if China didn't reciprocate it. Meanwhile, ours has always been far more neutral. No wolf warrior diplomacy or Military videos showing our military bombing Gitmo. That's just laughable.
Who said that? Again, Indians?


Will US not try to contain us? Of course they will. That's like, their itch. They need to scratch it or they can't sleep at night. Still, they probably won't be doing it by keeping a terror state thriving, especially a double crossing terror state with a treacherous past of playing both sides and an active nuclear arsenal.
Their itch?
You have no idea what kind of problem that a superpower India can cause to US! And to everyone!

Just have a look where India is and how far she is away from middle east, south east asia and Africa, central Asia. If Pakistan is down, India will immediately becomes a world power which enjoys all the geographic advantage against anyone else.
 

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Minimal footprint? Said by India, right?
Did you see any other developing country having 2-3 aircraft carriers operated when their economy was still in shit hole?
Did you see any other developing country marking herself as the head of Non-aligned movement?
Alright, now you're just blabbering shit for no reason and no knowledge.
I wish India was as power projecting as you say though lol.


Of course we'll operate 3 aircraft carriers. We have a jihadi neighbor to the west, a downright terrorist owned country a little further west and an overambitious communist state to the east.

Also, economy in a shithole? 😂
Our military hasn't had a budget of more than 2% of our GDP for decades (there may have been exceptions during elevated mobilizations and wartime) and we're able to operate three aircraft carriers. Imagine that.

I assure you, our economy is in no shithole. Your concern is heartwarming though.
Who said that? Again, Indians?
When was the last time India joined a military alliance, boasted of capability to strike the US or was the aggressor in a war?

I very much disagree with the Indian stance of neutrality and would love to see it change but lol at the feeble attempts to act like it's always been the case.
I WISH our government was as aggressive, pragmatic, scheming and cunning as you claim it to be.
Or maybe it is and I just don't know it yet? That's literally like my wet dream.
Just have a look where India is and how far she is away from middle east, south east asia and Africa, central Asia. If Pakistan is down, India will immediately becomes a world power which enjoys all the geographic advantage against anyone else.
You're literally stripteasing me now, kiwi.
Bless your words. May they come true. 🥰

 

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US and Its Past Blunders Resulted in the Current Mess.

Now the current situation in Asia/Middle East/ South China Sea / Afghanistan dictates that US reassess its foreign policy dealings. The humiliating defeat of US in Afghanistan (after a similar defeat in Vietnam in 1975) should force a rethink in their Whitehouse and the State Department. That Cold War of fifties to eighties with Soviet Union ended with US coming on the top. Then came the policy of appeasing China to back stab Russia. The whole concept was that to build China in the east with military might, when US confronts Russia (still a power) in the west, squeezing it in between. In the process to appease China, they gave away everything……money, technology and manufacturing. All that did not work well. China instead of confronting Russia began confronting US. They wanted US out of China Sea completely abandoning Taiwan, Japan and other countries.

When this was happening, US picked up a fight in Iraq for no good reason. Two wars in 1991 and 2002 sapped much of the US energy built after Vietnam war. This was an oil war to control world’s oil supply. It did not happen. Instead $4 trillion spent on wars killed 200,000 locals and 20,000 US personnel but no result. Oil was still Arab commodity but America was now a bit weaker nation. Then came the highly unexpected 9/11 in New York. This Urban warfare initiated by an Arab …..Osma Bin Laden living Afghanistan inflicted $1 trillion damage on America and as a revenge tactic US initiated a war in Afghanistan. Revenge was the right move in Afghanistan but real culprit was Pakistan, who smiled at American face but supported the religious theocracy in Afghanistan. That 20 years war in Afghanistan at an expense of $2 trillion and 10,000 dead US soldiers came to an end a few days back with a humiliating US defeat. Afghanistan is back where it was and victory is being celebrated in Pakistan.

Now the net result, US is a weaker power. Sensing this China will begin its grasp for top military and economic power in an earnest. That is a situation which weakened US can do nothing. It is terribly dependent on consumer goods and parts on China hence can initiate no war with them. US has weak leadership which can initiate no effort to salvage its prestige both at home and abroad. China May force conquest of Taiwan knowing US can do nothing.

During the economic aid to China in nineties by then an incompetent President Clinton, and war busy President Bush, it was suggested that it is dangerous to build only one source of manufactured products …… China. Now China for the West has become the source for everything, hence it cannot be touched , let alone initiating a war. It will take 10-15 years to build any other country like India with cheap labor to become a manufacturing giant. It will also need $2 trillion to transfer technology and manufacturing processes to rival China.

In the end, I would say that US economic and foreign policy in last 20 years has failed. Defeat in Vietnam resulted self look and better technology development to stay as world leader. The current defeat and an incompetent US leader will result China emerging at the top, a tricky situation for everybody.
 

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Once the 2024 Republican primary kicks off, (which will start after the 2022 primaries) it may be possible to reach out to populist right candidates and pitch a policy of denuclearizing Pakistan via economic sanctions. Deep state cunts, like that one CIA director who wrote an NYT article crying about Trump and Russia, will complain but we may be able to override them. With Biden being demented, and the need for Pakistan in Afghanistan being several years removed, it will be the best bet.
I actually think we should move forward with this idea. This would be the most productive thing to do now that Afghanistan has fallen. We should outline an agenda for what we want to lobby the US to do.

To start with, I have said this many times on this forum before, but essentially, our top priority should be to "remove the shackles" on India - Pakistan. We need to make Pakistan irrelevant. The best way to do this within the present paradigm is Balkanization. I say this because there are several separatist movements, most notably Balochistan, and even the weaker ones like Sindhudesh and PTM will gain traction after Balochistan successfully gains independence.

Unfortunately, outside help will be reluctant to help separatist sentiments due to destabilization of Pakistan and allowing nukes to fall into the hands of Jihadis like TTP or Lakshar e- whatever. So I think prior to this, denuclearization has to occur. I and many others have talked about this before.

Essentially - we need a US president in 2024 who is willing to make the official policy of the United States towards Pakistan to be denuclearization. Biden has said that he will run again in 2024, and I doubt he will make that his policy. Too much Ummah influence in the Demonrat party. If not him, some woke-ass piece of shit like AOC or Bernie's corpse will run instead, and that will be even worse. They don't need to worry about offending Indians, as all of the relevant Indian-American politicians in the Democratic sphere (Ro Khanna, Pramilla Jayapal, Indian Muslims and elite liberal journalists and professors etc.) have already submitted and begun paying Jizya to CAIR and Ummah.

The question now is how do we convince the Unites States policy makers of said presidential candidate that it is in their interest to denuclearize Pakistan? They need to believe that there is some benefit, it's like not we have as much power and influence as the Jewish lobby and supporting resources like the evangelical christian voting bloc who thinks the Jews of Israel are god's chosen people. A populist right candidate is likely to meet resistance from "another 20 year long war" or something. Trump was able to get people in the 2016 campaign to think denuclearizing North Korea and Pakistan was good thing (or at least they didn't complain). But i'm not sure if someone else could repeat the same feat.

If i were to pitch it, I would make the following arguments:
A. You are removing nuclear weapons from a rogue nuclear state who presents the biggest threat to international security
B. They protecting Osama Bin Laden and stabbed us in the back the entire time we were in Afghanistan, resulting in so many more dead troops and wasted money.
C. It's Obamaish (Republican base hates Obama so this will actually work) to want to be friends with Pakistan after all of that.
D. You allow India to become more powerful so that they can challenge China. Given that Russia and China are on the Taliban's side with Pak, this is your only ally in the region.
E. You pave the way for Balkanization - which creates two new countries - Balochistan and Sindhudesh, which block Chinese access to the Indian Ocean.
F. This does not require war - there is a diplomatic process:

First you prepare for the worst case scenario by deploying BMDs to Israel and maybe India,, and establish Three red lines that will trigger war:
1. Shipping nuclear weapons out of the country to iran or something or deliberately giving them to a non-state actor.
2. Launching a nuke at India or Israel or etc, or attacking India conventionally out of desperation.
3. Jihadists taking over a suspecting nuclear warhead housing site.

and one red line that will trigger an acceleration to the next phase of the diplomatic process:
1. Rapid expansion of their nuclear weapons program

Next you begin a four phase diplomatic process, with each phase other than the last one lasting about 6 months.

1. The incentives phase - you offer more economic aid, military cooperation, you offer to hold India accountable for what goes on in Kashmir and Balochistan or etc.

2. The light sanctions phase - this is when you put on Iran or North Korea level sanctions (though not necessarily at the beginning, you start small and slowly escalate)

3. The heavy sanctions phase - this is when you say no one who trades with Pak can trade with the US. This will be so drastic that everyone other than China and maybe Russia and Iran (though honestly even those three might go along) will trade with Pak, and it will crash their economy completely. Foreign aid is exempt here.

4. The indirect warfare phase - You remove the Balochistan liberation army, and the TTP from from the list of banned terrorist organizations and start funding them and Sindhudesh liberation front, Balawaristan national front etc. You also block trade routes and add foreign aid to the list of banned trade. Also during this phase, you need to make military alliances in case they do something that forces an invasion:
  1. Alliance with India - India gets to annex POK/GB as a result.
  2. Alliance with Russia - Sindh will gain independence, can we will force them to accept a defense agreement with Russia where Russia will be allowed to build naval bases along the Indian ocean to get warm water ports and air force bases and etc, and can veto foreign policy of Sindhudesh in exchange for Russia training their army and providing military assistance for their defense and funding the post-war reconstruction of the country. This will have to be cleared with the leaders of JQMM/JSMM etc.
  3. Alliance with Taliban - They get to annex Northern Balochistan and KPK/FATA as a result.
  4. Azad Balochistan declaration - state that Balochistan (minus the Pashtun north) will be free and an independent nation - in exchange, US gets to build bases in the South along the Indian ocean. Beyond that, we don't care about their government. They can be sharia or military dictatorship or whatever. This will have to be cleared with leaders of BLF and BLA etc.

Addressing counterarguments:
I think the main counter argument would be the same one that stopped the US from going HAM on Pak:
1. You are losing an ally to China.
Response: They have already betrayed you and hopped on China's dick. Look at what they are doing now.

2. This sanctions process will crash their economy and destabilize the country and allow more mess in the middle east and nukes to fall in the hands of Jihadists.
Response: This is going to happen anyway. You can set red lines that say we will attack if you do this intentionally.
CA: But then we are just going to war with Pakistan, which is the worst outcome.
Response: It's not as bad as you think. This is the real enemy from the beginning. This is justice for our troops. Also you can make alliances with India and maybe the Taliban to help out. If you are worried about Taliban getting nukes, you can send American CIA agents with every battalion to make sure they don't conquer any nuclear weapons sites.

3. If our big threat in phase 3 is ignored, it will further destroy the prestige of the American , because it shows we're not really the big boss of the world.
Response: then you show the world who is boss by pulling out of NATO and letting the Russians and Chinks conquer Europe.

4. We may have to go to war with China
Response: This is where Russia comes in. If you can get Russia on your side, China will back down. China will not want to fight US+India+Russia+Taliban just to save their pet failed state even if they are losing critical infrastructure. OTOH, Russia + China + Pak vs US + India means Iran will jump in, and Turkey will offer covert assistance, so the key is to get Russia's help. For this you can lift sanctions and get out of Syria and etc. It doesn't matter
 
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The next problem to deal with is practicality:
1. You have seen the Indian-American lobby keep out BJP and RSS affiliated Indians from Biden's cabinet. I think we avoid this by going Republican.
2. Direct Involvement with Republican like Bobby Jindal and Nikki Hayley is impossible - but that is why I am advocating policy making.

The biggest problem is getting in touch with the right candidates:

For 2024, we have three potentially winners here - Trump himself, Ron DeSantis, and Don Jr. I don't Mike Pence will get anywhere near the white house after Trump publicly attacked him for counting the votes on January 6th. That is how the Republican base is. Same with Nikky haley or any of the neo-con darlings.

Which ones do we contact, and when? Is it best to wait until after the 2022 primary, or to contact them right away. Don Jr i think is the easiest to contact, because with DeSantis, he is the Florida governor, and all of his communications are a part of public record. The last thing we want is for anyone to get cancelled, this has to be secret communication.

How do we get their attention? Like it or not, primarily these guys care about money. We have to get their attention with a gigantic donation. For that we have to raise money. Unfortunately, like I said, most Indian-Americans are Dhimmis, and foreign nationals cannot contribute to a political campaign:
Another question is that should this outreach be completely organic, or should it go through the Republican Hindu council. I think those guys have a lot more legitimacy, they have connections to Newt Gingrich and etc. I think the best bet, is to get someone from the Republican Hindu council WHO SHARES OUR OBEJCTIVE (not just someguy whose goal is to just increase H-1Bs) onto their personal team for South Asian affairs advisor or something.

The problem is that RHC cares about money too. If you just email them, they will ignore you. We have to get their attention with a big donation. Unlike presidential candidates, we may be able to get them the money because they are just an organization. Not sure if it's money laundering if they donate that money for us though.

Also, how do we get Indian American diaspora involved. Should I go temple to temple collecting donations and giving speeches via a powerpoint presentation? Would that work? Or would I be ignored?

Please let me know your thoughts, if you agree with the logic and practicality, or what should be tweaked.

Thanks.
 
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