India Strikes Against Pakistani Terrorism 2019

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Why is ABP showing a US Predator drone?
These people don't even know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun and expecting them to differentiate between a US and Chinese drone, is just asking too much from them.

Quite frankly, I am a bit surprised that these people get up every morning and go about doing whatever they do with electrocuting themselves.
 

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Right.. If the tank columns are stationary and MBRLs are used against them, can the modern heavy armored tanks can withstand the attck?
Armored columns moving or stationary, rockets or heavy shelling will cause some damage in the form of 'spalling' - there'll be anti-spalling lining inside the tanks, yet there will be some damage to systems & personnel.
The better way to kill tanks is the ATGMs which use molten copper slug to penetrate inside the tank and kill personnel and systems just by the sheer 'heat'.
 

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Tanks are moving targets, so arty conserves ammo. If intel is able to sniff out munition/fuel dumps, however, arty has a party.
Modern artillery can easily engage moving tank columns by using their top attack ammunition or by cluster bomblets. During night they can illuminate the tank columns. They can also lay smoke screen in front of tank columns to mask own forces or effect tanks sensors.

Artillery including rocket artillery very effectively lays mines (drops mines) in front of and on flanks of moving tank columns.

The artillery will invariably support own anti tank teams in inflicting losses on moving tanks and support counterattack or counter penetration forces.

They all are moving in mobile warfare Guns and artillery fire can be very much be mobile.
 

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but...if we have INFO and Proof that our sat was downed by china using its asset in Xinjiang there is nothing wrong in giving back in return.
We can surely do such...

But..yeah..
THe twitter guyz analysis of SAT. down soo using drones ..Im not buying it.
Does it mean we hit microsat-1 on Feb 12.. and then a chinese satellite gifted to pakis on March 27... hmm ... not sure... about this..
 

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yeah one of our military satellite was lost in 2016 aftr surgical strike.. dnt remember the name of sattelite.. we found some debris of a sattelite around our sattelite.. later came 2 knw it was the debris of our own sattelite.. recently there was a article on it .

Too risky for China to do something like that just for Pakistan.Similarly for India its too far fetched to destroy a paki satellite unless it declares war on him.
 

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Too risky for China to do something like that just for Pakistan.Similarly for India its too far fetched to destroy a paki satellite unless it declares war on him.
It was not risky for China in 2016... now we have a demonstrated asat capability... although it will take many years to translate to being a deployed capability...
 

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it is also the same place where ghosts fought for pakistan fouj against indian army.

Source: lal topi chicha:biggrin2:

yes, yes , yes. Same place Asal Uttar आसल उत्ताड़ where tank mounted communal riots took place in 1965 war and became a grave yard for new Patton tanks. Pakistan loosing almost more than 100 tanks against Indian loss of about 10 tanks. CHM Abdul Hamid got PVC.

By the way Gen Pervez Musharraf was a young Lt with one of the Artillery Regiment participating in that war but was hiding much behind from the battle scene.

Lal Topi's prophet ghost was busy saving the faithfuls from Kafir assault.
 

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Too risky for China to do something like that just for Pakistan.Similarly for India its too far fetched to destroy a paki satellite unless it declares war on him.
Risky for China? In what way? Please understand the Chinese govt and PLA view risk matrix in a VERY different way from us or the rest of the world.

Unlike us they are not afraid of retaliation because of their absolute belief in their own superiority (whether justified or not doesn't matter...they live in a bubble) So its not at all far fetched that they would have attempted an action like this without any regard for potential consequences.

And think about it....if indeed they carried out a successful attack against our satellite...what if any action did we take to avenge? Nothing as far as anyone can tell.

So either...the asat attack is fake news....OR...the Chinese arrogance is justified and we chickened out

Now which scenario is more likely is what we have to guess
 

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Too risky for China to do something like that just for Pakistan.Similarly for India its too far fetched to destroy a paki satellite unless it declares war on him.
Chinese did not blew up our satellite in 2016, it is a rumour that chinese may have disabled it. This capability we need to build to deal with them.
 

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Search operation underway in Katra town after reports of some suspicious movement/ details awaited
 

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Modern artillery can easily engage moving tank columns by using their top attack ammunition or by cluster bomblets. During night they can illuminate the tank columns. They can also lay smoke screen in front of tank columns to mask own forces or effect tanks sensors.

Artillery including rocket artillery very effectively lays mines (drops mines) in front of and on flanks of moving tank columns.

The artillery will invariably support own anti tank teams in inflicting losses on moving tanks and support counterattack or counter penetration forces.

They all are moving in mobile warfare Guns and artillery fire can be very much be mobile.
Seems Conventional Tank vs Tank war are out of equation these days. We can track the enemy movements and destroy them from a safe distance.
We can very well take back PoK or any area along IB if our Armed forces want without much losses in Manpower. Tech can do wonders.
 

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Seems Conventional Tank vs Tank war are out of equation these days. We can track the enemy movements and destroy them from a safe distance.
We can very well take back PoK or any area along IB if our Armed forces want without much losses in Manpower. Tech can do wonders.
Tank v Tank is obsolete. Modern battlefield has far too many weapons that out range the main gun of an MBT and can engage and destroy it long before it has a chance to fight back. The proliferation of APS systems for MBTs shows this to be a known problem worldwide. The reason IA has been vehemently insisting on CLGM capability for its MBTs is also in attempt to bridge this gap in firepower range.

Its always been a Zero Sum Game...unfortunately the MBT is currently losing.
 

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Its always been a Zero Sum Game...unfortunately the MBT is currently losing.
Not exactly, MBTs are still useful in situations like Real Estate capture and Holding the ground for a longer period.
Let's go back to the topic.
 

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‘Operation Kabaddi’: Indian army’s aggressive plan to reconfigure LoC in 2001
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Apr.04,2019

Outline of the aggressive operation was drawn up in June 2001, barely two years after the end of the Kargil conflict

In the summer of 2001, the Indian army planned a massive and unprovoked assault against Pakistan. The plan – Operation Kabaddi – called for altering the geography of the Line of Control (LoC) and capturing more than 25 Pakistan Army posts, a new book by Happymon Jacob reveals.

The book titled Line on Fire: Ceasefire Violations and India-Pakistan Escalation Dynamics interviewed two senior retired officers of the Indian Army who divulged details about the military operation.

According to an excerpt of the book published on scroll.in the Indian army planned to capture 25-30 Pakistani Army posts in the region of Kashmir. The posts would be captured in multiple phases to overrun Pakistani defences.

Pakistan on alert to foil any Indian ‘misadventure’

According to the book, the outline of the aggressive operation were drawn up in June 2001, barely two years after the end of the Kargil conflict.

The meeting was held between three senior officers of the Indian army: the newly appointed general officer commanding Northern Command of the Indian army Lieutenant General Rostum K Nanavatty, director general of military operations Lt Gen Gurbaksh Singh Sihota and the then Indian army chief Gen Sundararajan Padmanabhan.

Gen Nanvatty argued that “they had to do something to radically change the payoff structure for Pakistan”, and the Indian army chief gave the green signal for ‘Operation Kabaddi’, telling them to be prepared to carry out the operation in due course.

In the words of Gen Nanavatty, “we were required to be ready to execute operations as planned on orders any time on or after September 1, 2001. But there were no ‘start’ and ‘finish’ dates”.

There exists no clarity whether there was political clearance
for the operation, with Gen Nanavatty saying “only army HQ can answer the question as to whether the planned operations had the sanction of the government. As far as Northern Command was concerned, we had the approval of army HQ”.
“It was not a single, coordinated operation to commence on a prescribed date. There was no mathematical distribution of tasks to formations and units,” added Nanavatty.

According to the book, Nanvatty was called in early September, asking whether the plans were ready, to which he responded all they required was a strike order from the army chief.

Indian aggression post-Pulwama unjustified: FM Qureshi

However, the 9/11 attack on the twin towers in New York took place which changed the geopolitics of South Asia, meaning the plan never went ahead.

“Perhaps there was a small window of opportunity to carry out the operation immediately after 9/11 when Pakistan had not yet been drafted as an American ally in its war against terror. That window was never taken,” the book states.
 

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Seems Conventional Tank vs Tank war are out of equation these days. We can track the enemy movements and destroy them from a safe distance.
We can very well take back PoK or any area along IB if our Armed forces want without much losses in Manpower. Tech can do wonders.
You are right Sir.
Tanks by themselves are not very dangerous but they become very dangerous due to the shit they are bound to bring with them - namely the Infantry.
The Infantry they bring with them are the queen bees of the battle who squats on the place by capturing it.
Capture is the aim for which battles are waged. No one else - tanks, guns, air forces, navies etc but the Infantry can capture and then hold that "ground".
 
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