India Strikes Against Pakistani Terrorism 2019

[happylion]

fwiw todays no fly area seems to be wider than previous days as seen on flight radar.

 

[Jaymax61]

And same with BVR missiles.....only after Pakis got AIM 120C from US!!!

Actually the Bison upgrades happened before PAF got its BVRs. When the first Bison upgrades were tested by Air Force Pilots they were amazed by the updates and enhanced capabilities. Also the Su-30Ks that came in after the Su-30 deal were also BVR capable.

If only IAF had an IJT, India would have been looking at the MiG-21 in a different light. Half of the accidents were due to lack of an intermediate jet trainer. Those were the losses we could have avoided.

 

[Nicky G]

That's again a big misconception!!!
For 60+ years Pakis always had an advantage over India in terms of modern defense systems. India ALWAYS scrambled after Pakis acquire some sophisticated equipment.....

From Wikipedia.......


"Efforts to acquire such a system intensified after the Kargil War, where the Indian Army was severely disadvantaged by its lack of firefinding radars. While the Pakistani forces were equipped with American AN/TPQ-36 Firefinder radars, India only had British Cymbeline mortar detecting radars, which were not suitable.[9] Almost 80% of Indian casualties during the war resulted from enemy artillery fire, making such a radar critical.[6][8]

To correct this weakness, in 2002, the Ministry of Defence issued an RFP to five manufacturers. With the lifting of sanctions in late 2001, the US Government offered to sell the AN/TPQ-37 radar to India under their Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme for ₹. 680 million each.[10] In July 2002, India placed a $200 million USD order for 12 AN/TPQ-37 Firefinder radars.[11][12] Initially, only 8 were ordered for $140 million USD, but the order was later increased to 12.[5] The radars were integrated on BEML-manufactured Tatra truck platforms.[6] Delivery of all 12 radars was completed in May 2007.[5] Concept design work on the WLR also accelerated in the aftermath of the Kargil War."

While true in some cases, due to a lethargic and indifferent political class combined with corrupt officials; you're severely overstating the point.

Let me know what Porkies have comparable to:

Su-30s or better yet Rafael
Brahamos
Agni 3, 4, 5 (6 status unknown)
BMD
Vikramaditya
Nuke subs
The killer: S400 (when we get it)

The list goes on.

So yes, we've had to scramble at times, particularly for our army. In terms of air force and more so Navy, Porkies are no where in quality or quantity. This has been the case at least for a good two decades.

As for their much touted BVR, what's the kill ratio in the recent encounter? 0 for 5?

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

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US promised India help if China attacked during 1971 Indo-Pak war

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ng-1971-Indo-Pak-war/articleshow/11099922.cms

 

[happylion]

wrt the large oil resreve in Pakistan
https://www.brecorder.com/2018/08/07/432829/fm-clarifies-news-item-on-exxonmobil/

GENERAL NEWS
FM clarifies news item on ExxonMobil

Fawad MaqsoodAugust 7, 2018

ISLAMABAD: Caretaker Minister for Maritime Affairs and Foreign Affairs Abdullah Hussain Haroon on Tuesday clarified a news item published in a section of press, saying that his statement on oil drilling by ExxonMobil should be taken without implying any further meaning to it.

The Minister in a statement issued for press said ExxonMobil had purchased a block of Pakistan’s deep sea drilling rights off the Indus Delta for exploration.

“Their drilling is yet to start as depths are very intense but they are very hopeful of success in discovering a big cache of oil,” he said in a statement issued to press.

He added, “While the situation is not only good news and hopefully rewarding to Pakistan, anything further should not be added and may not be construed by my talk at FPCCI etc.”

A national daily in its August 4th publication had quoted Abdullah Haroon during his address at Federation of Pakistan Chambers of Commerce and Industry (FPCCI) as saying that ExxonMobil was close to hitting huge oil reserves near the Pak-Iran border, which could be even bigger than the Kuwaiti reserves.



Copyright APP (Associated Press of Pakistan), 2018

 

[A chauhan]

Off topic self delete.........

 

[Nicky G]

US promised India help if China attacked during 1971 Indo-Pak war

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ng-1971-Indo-Pak-war/articleshow/11099922.cms

Eh? So they sent their 7th fleet to help us?

 

[Jaymax61]

US promised India help if China attacked during 1971 Indo-Pak war

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ng-1971-Indo-Pak-war/articleshow/11099922.cms

Bhaiya bada strong maal le rhe ho. Enterprise Carrier Group US ne India ki support mein nhi India ko darane ke lie bheja tha.

US had considered a nuclear option in 71 as well if India turned to west Pakistan after finishing up in the east. You think they would have helped India !!!!! During the 70s Pakistan facilitated the US China thaw. For the US, China was the perfect way to keep divisions of Soviet troops tied up on the USSR-China Border and far away from East Germany.

 

[maomao]

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Item, message says if this pilot lands in India we won't return her even at the cost of war. :bounce:

She is wearing a Russian hat / cap !

 

[SanjeevM]

No country that wants to sell us hardware would like a government that goes for indigenous tech.

On Italian lady being KGB, I've heard various versions, including the Vatican angle.



Nehru was beholden to UK certainly, he was practically their man in India. However, ideologically, he was more of a socialist than a western capitalist.

Anyway, India in those days was a playground of CIA and KGB. Stalin's daughter came to India after his death and there were many other cases.

Since USSR, wanted India to be a client state, they offered a lot in terms of tech that the west wouldn't. You're right that we openly became aligned with USSR in IG's time during 71 war, but that does not mean USSR did not back Congis before that time.

Though there were obvious cases when the world stood and let us take a beating, particularly during '62.

If you have patience to watch this 1 hour video of a former KGB spy who defected to US, he talks about all KGB activities in India. He talks about how university professors were put on task of creating more sleeper cells in India. In today's context it seems true from the extent of anti national tukde tukde gangs coming out of Indian universities.

 

[Jay99]

She is wearing a Russian hat / cap !

She is way way way way good looking for porki chicks

 

[SanjeevM]

Babaji has taken a full khamba tonight, he is in full mood to gan maroing of DGISPR !!:biggrin2:

The way Baba says "Remember your Jungle wala friend...." It seems baby had been a former commando. So that explains his tweets coming with info from his former contacts which are more informative than any of the news channels.

 

[Enquirer]

While true in some cases, due to a lethargic and indifferent political class combined with corrupt officials; you're severely overstating the point.

Let me know what Porkies have comparable to:

Su-30s or better yet Rafael
Brahamos
Agni 3, 4, 5 (6 status unknown)
BMD
Vikramaditya
Nuke subs
The killer: S400 (when we get it)

The list goes on.

So yes, we've had to scramble at times, particularly for our army. In terms of air force and more so Navy, Porkies are no where in quality or quantity. This has been the case at least for a good two decades.

As for their much touted BVR, what's the kill ratio in the recent encounter? 0 for 5?

That's why I always advise folks to pay attention to words/details and not get carried away!
I said for 60 years Pakis have had advantage on modern-tech. India has been able to steal the march more recently as US-Pak relations soured & Paki economy started tanking.

 

[Nicky G]

If you have patience to watch this 1 hour video of a former KGB spy who defected to US, he talks about all KGB activities in India. He talks about how university professors were put on task of creating more sleeper cells in India. In today's context it seems true from the extent of anti national tukde tukde gangs coming out of Indian universities.

Yup have seen the video a few years back. Both US and USSR indulged in such activities in various countries, including India during the cold war.

Urban naxals, fascinated with communism were earlier seeded and funded by Soviets and now Chinese.

It's simple, global powers do not want to share the stage. So they don't want India to grow beyond where their interest lie; for instance to sell weapons, markets or geo-strategic counter balance to some other power. Such means are a useful way to retard our growth.

 

[Nicky G]

That's why I always advise folks to pay attention to words/details and not get carried away!
I said for 60 years Pakis have had advantage on modern-tech. India has been able to steal the march more recently US-Pak relations soured & Paki economy started tanking.

Dude, I read your post. 60 years implies 2007. I doubt Porkie Navy or AF matched us in 2007.

I doubt they matched during Kargil.

Anyway, it's got to do with more than just souring US-Porkie relations. It's simply we have built/acquired strategic weapons that Porkies cannot build and no one will give to them on a platter, not the US, likely not even the Chinese (if they themselves have it in the first place).

 

[Suryavanshi]

That's again a big misconception!!!
For 60+ years Pakis always had an advantage over India in terms of modern defense systems. India ALWAYS scrambled after Pakis acquire some sophisticated equipment.....

From Wikipedia.......


"Efforts to acquire such a system intensified after the Kargil War, where the Indian Army was severely disadvantaged by its lack of firefinding radars. While the Pakistani forces were equipped with American AN/TPQ-36 Firefinder radars, India only had British Cymbeline mortar detecting radars, which were not suitable.[9] Almost 80% of Indian casualties during the war resulted from enemy artillery fire, making such a radar critical.[6][8]

To correct this weakness, in 2002, the Ministry of Defence issued an RFP to five manufacturers. With the lifting of sanctions in late 2001, the US Government offered to sell the AN/TPQ-37 radar to India under their Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme for ₹. 680 million each.[10] In July 2002, India placed a $200 million USD order for 12 AN/TPQ-37 Firefinder radars.[11][12] Initially, only 8 were ordered for $140 million USD, but the order was later increased to 12.[5] The radars were integrated on BEML-manufactured Tatra truck platforms.[6] Delivery of all 12 radars was completed in May 2007.[5] Concept design work on the WLR also accelerated in the aftermath of the Kargil War."

If u have been followings me for all these years u would know my stance on Pakistani army.
I have never underestimated their capability.
But comparing us to them is not right either.
In case of Paksitan Army and ISI ISI cahout rules the nation they have all the resources all the power. Politics have very little influence on army.
On the other hand we as a Dumbocracy have always been a slave of politics. It began right with Gandhi and continues till date.
I know u people ask to keep politics and army aside but in our case it's not possible our militart is very much influenced by politics.
Bofors scandal, Augusta wasteland and Tatra truck should have made it clear.
Years of Inactivity in Tejas project, after a new govement came the project picked up at rapid pace if not politics and bureaucracy then what else can u blame it upon.
During Kargil INSAS rifle used to jam and the cheap plastic magazines would crack this again who should be balmed for this.

BOFORS was an underpowered artillery which barely met our needs and u know who to blame for this.

Paksiatn has gone for quality over quantity ours was always sub standard, Americas and China help only made the gap wider.


We dont have a deep state in our country which sets the policy regardless of which party comes to power.

See the difference of today and yesterday, when Mumbai attack happend we did nothing but today we have made at least made an attempt.

Military is a slave of Policies, Bureaucracy and politics, our military is always running in a downgraded mode thanks to these factors.

 

[SanjeevM]

notice imran is not even responding to modi's greetings, just showing his message to entire world

He is showing his victory that after lot of begging for talks, Modi has finally sent a message of peace. He should frame this message and hang it like a trophy or shove it down his ass. India wants results now. Close terrorist factories, hand over wanted terrorists or we will keep hitting.

 

[Enquirer]

Dude, I read your post. 60 years implies 2007. I doubt Porkie Navy or AF matched us in 2007.

I doubt they matched during Kargil.

Anyway, it's got to do with more than just souring US-Porkie relations. It's simply we have built/acquired strategic weapons that Porkies cannot build and no one will give to them on a platter, not the US, likely not even the Chinese (if they themselves have it in the first place).

Dude use logic, commonsense and facts!

I just told you that Pakis used firefinding radars to accurately hit Indians during Kargil war, while Indians had no such equipment - and you go onto to say that India was better equipped than Pakis during Kargil?

The big reason why India was successfully able to pound Pakis (even after taking huge losses) was because officially Pakis claimed it wasn't their military and as such couldn't offer the entrenched 'jihadis' overt support from air etc!!

Also, when I say 60 years of tech superiority it's juveline of you to compare ON THE 60th YEAR!!!
That's like saying someone lived a healthy life of 70 yrs - but you swoop in to evaluate the guy's dead body and say there's no sign of health here !!!!

In shear numbers India always had an advantage but in cutting edge tech, Pakis kept a lead for a long time!!!!

Pakis biggest source of high tech weapons was US and free military-aid-money from US!!!

 

[Enquirer]

If u have been followings me for all these years u would know my stance on Pakistani army.
I have never underestimated their capability.
But comparing us to them is not right either.
In case of Paksitan Army and ISI ISI cahout rules the nation they have all the resources all the power. Politics have very little influence on army.
On the other hand we as a Dumbocracy have always been a slave of politics. It began right with Gandhi and continues till date.
I know u people ask to keep politics and army aside but in our case it's not possible our militart is very much influenced by politics.
Bofors scandal, Augusta wasteland and Tatra truck should have made it clear.
Years of Inactivity in Tejas project, after a new govement came the project picked up at rapid pace if not politics and bureaucracy then what else can u blame it upon.
During Kargil INSAS rifle used to jam and the cheap plastic magazines would crack this again who should be balmed for this.

BOFORS was an underpowered artillery which barely met our needs and u know who to blame for this.

Paksiatn has gone for quality over quantity ours was always sub standard, Americas and China help only made the gap wider.


We dont have a deep state in our country which sets the policy regardless of which party comes to power.

See the difference of today and yesterday, when Mumbai attack happend we did nothing but today we have made at least made an attempt.

Military is a slave of Policies, Bureaucracy and politics, our military is always running in a downgraded mode thanks to these factors.

Seems like you agree with me that Pakis maintained technological lead over Indian military for a long while.
(the cause for the malaise is a different argument altogether - and I wasn't going into it)

 

[Kazah]

This presstitute went inside despite hints dropped at the gateway