India Strikes Against Pakistani Terrorism 2019

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you should not believe these sources blindly.. similar sources also mentioned coup taking place under mms :D
IAF has SAR images of destruction caused, do you think that can be performed from standoff ranges?
Yes, the same articles also says that there are SAR images of the precise destruction.
That article brought me out of depression :) with solid explanation of how sure they are about the destruction of JeM camp!
Strictly speaking, I don't care at what distance the PGM was releaed.......I got into the unnecessary argument because someone said Spice-2000 cannot travel 50 kms!
 

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Anybody keeping track of Marine Traffic in and out of Karachi and Gwadar ?
I do have a bunch of SDRs and a 2mts antenna. But I have never tried receive AIS indo. I doubt with my physical location I can receive anything from Gwadar or Karachi... But I'll set everything up and try to receive, don't have much hopes though. Try I will.

... But it would be nice if someone just deployed a rasPi+hackRF on a kite or high altitude balloon. We can actually listen to the radar pings (if not the actual radar, the reflections... Not that you could make any sense of it)... Who know these asshats cutlet porkiies might be still using unencrypted radios. Would be hilarious to listen to a red on red attack and the famous swearing.
 

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I am saying that whatever PLAAF operation plans/Doctrine to Confront India would be there would have gone for a Toss.

Already (if we believe whats put out) PLAAF technological advantage is dented by Geography. Visavis India PLAAF will take off from smaller airbases at higher altitude and further away from the border to Confront India - Whether Strike/CAP/Interdiction. They will always suffer the limitations of Payload and Fuel because of that.

Given that IAF can already Ping j20s on radar AND given how efficicently we can still use 60year old tech their "Technical Superiority" takes a dent.

They will need a strategic rethink on Orbat and Training Visavis India





In these few days we have tested and validated every new piece of kit we have inducted in the last decade

- SPICE 2000
- Derby
- Spyder
- Netra AWAC
- Overal C&C
- ISR
- Artellery
- Logistics movement and supply Chain

etc
For our reader....giving some info

SPICE 2000-tested on balakot
- Derby-tested on a paki drone(spyder sam)

- Netra AWAC-(for balakot opn)
 

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I am saying that whatever PLAAF operation plans/Doctrine to Confront India would be there would have gone for a Toss.

Already (if we believe whats put out) PLAAF technological advantage is dented by Geography. Visavis India PLAAF will take off from smaller airbases at higher altitude and further away from the border to Confront India - Whether Strike/CAP/Interdiction. They will always suffer the limitations of Payload and Fuel because of that.

Given that IAF can already Ping j20s on radar AND given how efficicently we can still use 60year old tech their "Technical Superiority" takes a dent.

They will need a strategic rethink on Orbat and Training Visavis India





In these few days we have tested and validated every new piece of kit we have inducted in the last decade

- SPICE 2000
- Derby
- Spyder
- Netra AWAC
- Overal C&C
- ISR
- Artellery
- Logistics movement and supply Chain

etc
In agreement except:

Chinese AD equipment given to pakis is yet to be tested out and regarding J -20, I have doubts on whether we have real signatures or its the luneburg lens enhanced signature.
 

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Yes, the same articles also says that there are SAR images of the precise destruction.
That article brought me out of depression :) with solid explanation of how sure they are about the destruction of JeM camp!
Strictly speaking, I don't care at what distance the PGM was releaed.......I got into the unnecessary argument because someone said Spice-2000 cannot travel 50 kms!
I know the feeling... We all had been so pumped with the Airforce demonstrations recently. We all saw those M2Ks performing the ground runs on IR looking down on the targets...we all just needed to hear that from a reputable source.

Also for last few nights I have been pondering, why didn't we use the glide weapons DRDO just recently tested. I don't recall the name but they could be used to target enemy airfields as well. Then I used to recall the M2Ks dropping their ordinances with a retarder Shute imapact...some delay for the attackers to again gain altitude... KABOOOM...few thousand hoor-goats getting raped

Also the Spice 2000 was also hinted when Porky at there forum started shouting (I think it was DG-ISPR who said this, I may be wrong) "IAF deployed there DUMB payload and ran away" ...apart from the logical fallacies... It was certain that there where smart ammunition involved.
 

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Absolutely not.

The "narrative" in MSM is that India is retalliating to CFVs by Pork chops, let's keep it that way. Nothing should be official.
Counter artillery = Enemy CF
There has been silent revolution. It is a fact that the hindu practices are retarded. Hinduism is a degradation of dharma and many useless practices have crept in. Textbooks etc will be changed at the right time as changing it now may cause unnecessary turmoil as that may instigate people. As I said, today we are loving in a time of truce due to natural resource equation and hence only mild changes will be done to avoid antagonising and keep petroleum supply flowing. Ram Mandir also will be constructed at the right time. For now it is only required to keep people in hindu fold. The mindset can be changed according to requirement in the future.
Maybe we should start a thread to list all targets we would like to see bombed.
My pick 1/n

32.043760,72.673254
1. Saragodha AFB
2. PNS Mehran
3. ISI HQ
4. Pak army GHQ
5. The village of those who beat up Abhi
 

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Of promises and delusions

Sohaib R. MalikUpdated March 01, 2019

The writer is an analyst specialising in energy policy and political economy.

AMID much fanfare, Prime Minister Imran Khan and Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman witnessed the signing of several MOUs a few days ago during the latter’s visit to Pakistan.

Our jubilant government appears to want everyone to share its firm belief that these agreements definitively guarantee the inflow of multibillion-dollar investment into the country over the next few years. The yearning for foreign capital in Pakistan, like in most states, is understandable, but MOUs between the two countries will invariably have varying degrees of success, and their ability to stimulate economic prosperity is likely overestimated.

The agreements — worth $21 billion in total — are mostly concentrated in the energy sector. The partnering entities intend to mobilise investment in three phases: short term (one to two years), medium term (two to three years), and long term (three to five years). The recently established Supreme Coordination Council, co-chaired by Imran Khan and Mohammed bin Salman, will monitor and facilitate the implementation process. The leaders’ direct involvement in overseeing these agreements underlines their commitment and is a promising development.

The short-term plan includes a $6bn investment in gas power plants and renewable energy projects. In October last year, the government approved the privatisation of the 1,233 megawatt Balloki and the 1,230MW Haveli Bahadur power plants, which are apparently marked for sale to the Saudis now and expected to fetch $4bn. A few serious concerns stem from this potential transaction.

Apart from the project-specific glitches, the Pak-Saudi MOUs face other challenges too.
First, Balloki and Haveli Bahadur are among our most efficient power plants in our otherwise highly inefficient state-owned power generation portfolio. What is the rationale behind vending these lucrative plants while retaining ownership of loss-making plants? Second, it’s a well-known fact that the regasified liquefied natural gas-based plants can attract investors from across the world. So why does it appear as though the government isn’t all too keen to create competition among interested parties to seek better terms? Is this an act of desperation on its part, fast-tracking the sale of these plants to make up for the 2019 budget deficit?

Another $2bn investment is pledged in renewable energy through ACWA Power, a Saudi-based power producer. ACWA Power is a capable developer that has been expanding its footprint in emerging markets. Ironically, on Feb 27, the Cabinet Committee on Energy decided to procure further renewables exclusively through competitive procurement unless a developer has achieved certain milestones. So, at present, we don’t have a support mechanism for developers who decide to kick start renewables projects today.

The government needs to conduct its business with ACWA Power in a transparent manner without circumventing the interests of our domestic developers who have just received favourable policy news.

Some reports suggest that ACWA Power will develop these projects in Balochistan. Although the province hosts excellent solar and wind energy resources, there is a dire need to mobilise investment in this least-developed arm of the federation, and the absence of grid infrastructure for power evacuation and the long distance from our major load centres may impact the projects’ viability.

Meanwhile, the medium-term goal of investing $2bn in petrochemical, food and agriculture projects is rather humble. The petrochemical project is closely linked to the future establishment of an oil refinery by Saudi Aramco near the port of Gwadar. The $10bn refining complex is situated in the long-term plan and is expected to help us expand our local refining capacity and curtail our import bill caused by petroleum products. This particular project has better chances of materialising due to its importance for the sponsor: Saudi Aramco, a state-owned global energy giant.

Following its strategy to diversify away from the Saudi kingdom, Aramco has been signing agreements to establish oil-refining and petrochemical complexes across the region, including in China and India. To maximise the value of its crude produce, the company is gearing up to invest in integrated processes for refining and petrochemicals, which hold substantial growth potential for oil and gas companies. Interestingly, the UAE’s Mubadala is expected to finalise its investment decision of $6bn in a similar complex in Pakistan by end-2019, implying that we may have the prospect of being able to create competition in this sector too.

Apart from the project-specific glitches, the Pak-Saudi MOUs face other challenges too. Most importantly, the young crown prince’s has a tendency of announcing mega projects that rarely see the light of day. The much-hyped privatisation of Saudi Aramco and a $200bn investment plan in solar energy together with Japan’s SoftBank proved to make little progress beyond newspaper headlines. It’s not unusual for the Gulf leaders to package their political and business interests together. Therefore, these agreements often entail political risks that are higher than a purely commercial transaction.

Against this backdrop, I would leave it for the government to account for these challenges. All the same, it is important that our policymakers’ attention be drawn to the fact that we are a nation of over 200 million people, holding an enormous untapped economic potential. We must realise that and strive to position ourselves as an attractive destination for investors by creating a stable, transparent and competitive environment in all sectors of the economy to create optimum economic value.

As the government is entrusted with acting in the nation’s best interest, it needs to prioritise and exploit the opportunities that ensure the most economic value for us.

The writer is an analyst specialising in energy policy and political economy.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1466873/of-promises-and-delusions
 

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In agreement except:

Chinese AD equipment given to pakis is yet to be tested out and regarding J -20, I have doubts on whether we have real signatures or its the luneburg lens enhanced signature.
Chinese AD equipment was tested. It succumbed easily to mass EW Jamming.

For the rest. You have your doubts. My point is. The Chinese will now have their own doubts at the other end of the spectrum.
 

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Do not spread porky propaganda......

What ever they say do not hype it , regarding use of MBRL etc etc

They are trying to drive up social media hysteria.

IA will not use MBRL because that means porky will use theirs. Leading to massive civilian casualties. It is a area saturation weapon system for god's sake.

Again I repeat don't fall prey to false news from social media. If possible bring the hype down by claiming it is false propaganda by porkies.
I agree with you on this. Anyone can fire missiles and MBRL. MBRL is not a precision weapon and is meant to destroy entire areas. So, unless India is going for full scale war, MBRL is unlikely. NAG ATGM is more likely being used as it is a precision weapon.
 

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Chinese AD equipment was tested. It succumbed easily to mass EW Jamming.

For the rest. You have your doubts. My point is. The Chinese will now have their own doubts at the other end of the spectrum.
I don't question your analytics, just want to know the source. Twitter pe Spyops ke liye kuch to chaiye na Naya...
 

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https://www.firstpost.com/india/eye...ists-including-former-isi-agents-6182671.html

Eyewitnesses say Indian air strike on Balakot killed dozens of terrorists, including former ISI agents

Eyewitnesses present at the site of India's 26 February bomb strikes against a Jaish-e-Muhammad base say they saw up to 35 bodies being transported out of the the site by ambulance in the hours after the attack. The dead, they said, included twelve men who were said to have been sleeping in a single temporary shack, and several individuals who had earlier served in Pakistan's military.

The sources, who work for local government authorities, declined to be identified as they are not authorised to speak to media, and saying they feared reprisal. The eyewitnesses were contacted by this correspondent using encrypted communication means.

"Local authorities reached the site soon after the bombing," one witness said, "but the area had already been cordoned off by then by the army, who did not even allow police to enter. The army also took away mobile phones from the medical staff on the ambulances."

A former Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) officer known locally as "Colonel Salim" was killed in the bombing, sources said, while a "Colonel Zarar Zakri" was injured. Mufti Moeen, a Jaish-e-Muhammad instructor from Peshawar, and improvised explosive device-fabrication expert Usman Ghani were also killed in the bombing.

The largest single cluster of fatalities, the eyewitnesses said, were twelve Jaish-e-Muhammad recruits receiving fidayeen training, who were living in a single temporary earth-and-wood building that was flattened in the bombing.

Conflicting Testimony

Eyewitness testimony from the region has been conflicting, with witnesses variously saying there were no Jaish-e-Muhammad fighters at Jaba top, and others insisting they were present. The testimony has also been divided on whether casualties were inflicted, with several local residents telling television and print journalists that the only victims were some civilians who received minor injuries.

However, the witnesses were only interviewed days after the attack, and several media outlets reported they were not allowed unfettered access to all areas in Jaba, the village targeted in the raid

Independent satellite imagery analysis conducted by Nathan Ruser of the prestigious Australian Strategic Policy Institute concluded that there is "no apparent evidence of more extensive damage and on the face of it does not validate Indian claims regarding the effect of the strikes."

However, Indian Air Force officials have asserted that that synthetic aperture radar — which provides finer spatial resolution than conventional beam-scanning radar — makes that they destroyed four target buildings, below the ridge when the Jaish-e-Muhammad has several buildings, including a seminary.

The images, however, has not been made public, making it impossible to independently verify these claims.


Islamabad has said the Indian raid caused little damage, other than to local vegetation.

Indian intelligence sources said two of the names mentioned by the eyewitnesses — Usman and Colonel Salim — had also figured in communications intelligence available.

At an intelligence assessment meeting held on 1 March, the Research and Analysis Wing said its communications intelligence could confirm five dead, but placed estimates of the killed in the region of 20.

R&AW had identified the Jaba top seminary as a target, based on intelligence that personnel earlier stationed by the Jaish-e-Muhammad at villages along the Line of Control had been pulled back to that location, in anticipation of possible Indian Army retaliation after the Pulwama suicide bombing.

“There’s no doubt that bombs hit their targets,” a senior intelligence official said. “Though some of the numbers that have been appearing in the media are hyperbolic, I think the raid served its purpose, which was to make a point about our ability to strike at terrorist safe-havens, rather than extract revenge.”

Past air strikes on terrorist targets have generally had a low deterrent effect, since the personnel at training facilities are generally small in the number and dispersed.

In 1998, the United States fired 75 cruise missiles at Al-Qaeda’s Zhawar Kili in retaliation of the bombing at the American Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, but killed only a dozen terrorists or less.
 
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I agree with you on this. Anyone can fire missiles and MBRL. MBRL is not a precision weapon and is meant to destroy entire areas. So, unless India is going for full scale war, MBRL is unlikely. NAG ATGM is more likely being used as it is a precision weapon.
If i am not mistaken. There were reports of us using MBRLs the night before the Pak attempted strike.
 

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It is time to end the visibility of banned organisations.
Looks at his last statement. "...end the visibility........". Not ending the organisations, just their visibility. They are not planning to end this proxy game anytime soon. Save the article before it vanishes from internet.
 

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Ha Ha i really love the twitter speculations . i read someone tweeting that the Paki F-16 was flown my Jordanian pilot and not by paki and that s why they are taking so much time to confirm the pilots death . Well if that's the case then paki pilots are not even good enough to fly the F-16 that they are renting pilots from Jordan o_O

Again take it just for laughs
 
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