India Strikes Against Pakistani Terrorism 2019

[Anikastha]

Seems to be true.
Then how SG got so many H&k guns?
View attachment 32893

Where is PAkistan BC. NO ban for them?
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[S.A.T.A]

That Indigo aircraft did not know it was targeted (obviously!!). This rumour is out of IAF assessment of RoE during this whole episode.

Quite right... However Indian commercial operators would be well advised to avoid those very western routes until things cool down. The threat posed to civilian planes are not just from PAF, but also jehadi groups who, which has been widely reported in the media, may have access to shoulder fired short range sams(how many stinger missiles are still unaccounted for? )

 

[Anikastha]

yeah they are getting their supplies. hmm, INS is not invited ?

I dont see any IN ships on radar. My be this website won't display locations of War ships.
Emperor is out with his cavalry. Thats the reason pakistan handed over abhi so early without any demands. Seems like IN got signal green for Operation Trident 2019.

 

[NeXoft007]

Troll material which can come in handy
Hizro ka Fauj... Pak Fauj!

 

[AnantS]

Seems to be true.
Then how SG got so many H&k guns?
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before the refusal, they were purchased

 

[proud_indian]

Mosharraf Zaidi
February 27, 2019

Who stands for our sovereignty?


Over 40 Indian soldiers of the paramilitary Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) were killed on February 14 in Pulwama, Occupied Kashmir in a car bombing that shook India, the wider region, and global affairs for India and Pakistan, to their core.

The initial casualties of the Pulwama attack were Indian soldiers. This is part and parcel of the dynamic between a brutal occupying force of a hegemonic and unhinged regional power, namely India, and the brave and fearless Kashmiri people, who have suffered a 70-year occupation with unmatched dignity and integrity.

Pakistan’s official reaction to the Pulwama attack has been very measured and should be welcomed. Prime Minister Imran Khan repeated his core mission in the region, one that he has repeated several times, of seeking détente and peace with India. He also warned India of retaliation if Pakistan was provoked. The official armed forces spokesperson also gave an impassioned presentation about option 1 and option 1A for Pakistan: which is peace, and more peace. But he also elaborated on Pakistan’s quest for peace, whilst being prepared for war. Pakistani diplomats, and especially Pakistan’s two brilliant daughters – Dr Maleeha Lodhi at the UN in New York and Tehmina Janjua at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Islamabad – engaged Pakistan’s bilateral partners and friends and explained the position of the pro-peace government of Pakistan.

Despite all these measures, while India counts its dead, it is also important to take stock of the damage that the Pulwama attack has inflicted on the Pakistani side. The aftermath of the Pulwama attack exposes three realities about Pakistan that need to be accounted for in the short, medium and long term thinking of the military leadership through the army’s Corps Commanders Conference, the intelligence community through rank and file officers of the ISI, and to a lesser extent, the inner circle of Prime Minister Imran Khan, and BPS 20 and below officers of the foreign service. What are these three realities?

The first reality is the damage that has been done to the Kashmir cause. India has successfully cobranded the Kashmiri struggle for self determination with the UNSC Resolution 1267 listed Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) (and their derivatives such as Jamaat ud Dawa (JuD), and Falah e Insaniyat Foundation (FIF)). Unlike three decades ago, Kashmir today does not enjoy any significant salience in the wider Muslim world outside of Pakistan.

The second reality that Pulwama reminds us of is the vulnerability of Pakistan to a punitive international system. In the voice and visibility of proscribed and listed organisations like LeT and JeM, members of the international community have an easy and readily available instrument with which they can curry favour with India, or equally, with which they can punish Pakistan for grievances they may hold against this country. This vulnerability is especially pronounced because Pakistan – which has just completed its latest round of funding its fiscal deficit through foreign funding – does not enjoy fiscal sovereignty. Sanctions regimes, the Financial Action Task Force and even IMF negotiations are all much more menacing and toxic for Pakistan, because of our failure at managing and muting banned organisations like the LeT and JeM.

The third reality that Pulwama has exposed is that the spectre of non-state actors (notwithstanding whether the world’s accusations are true or not) has fundamentally altered the strategic space that Pakistan operates in, and has damaged the concept of Pakistani territorial sovereignty. Non-state actors that are deemed malignant by the international community are part and parcel of the burden that Pakistani diplomats must bear in every international forum. Adversarial actors such as India, and at times the US, have successfully used accusations of Pakistani safe havens for these kinds of groups to cross Pakistan’s red lines, with little reaction from us. These accusations are rooted in the freedom that members of these groups enjoy to make speeches, and in one case, to build political parties and participate in elections.

In 2011, the US breached these red lines twice. Once in May 2011 in pursuit of Osama Bin Laden in Abbottabad, and then again at the border with Afghanistan at the Salala post, in a brazen attack on Pakistani soldiers that has, to this day been neither investigated properly by Pakistan nor accounted for adequately by the US. In neither case we were able to mount a credible response.

In 2016, after the Uri attack in Occupied Kashmir, India claimed to have conducted ‘surgical strikes’ inside Pakistani territory. And yesterday, after Pulwama, India once again breached these red lines, and flew Mirage 2000 fighter jets into Pakistani territory, dropping payload in the skies above Balakot.

Once adversaries identify their targets as being capable of taking a hit without retaliating, the outer perimeter of acceptable provocative behavior changes. The space to operate and response to future attacks shrinks. Pakistan has established precedence of being able to absorb the attacks of friends (like the US) and enemies (like India). Future breaches of Pakistan’s red line therefore have less fear of retaliation associated with them. This was the view of experts in the immediate aftermath of the OBL raid by the US. In the skies above Muzaffarabad and Balakot, with ordinary Pakistanis bravely looking up to stare down India’s military hardware, that view came to fruition.

The solution to these three realities is not a military retaliation to India’s brazen act of aggression and provocation. India is a nation of unparalleled potential, but its size and economic clout has instigated rogue, hegemonic behaviour, made worse by religious extremists having successfully brainwashed hundreds of millions of their countrymen into an existential right-wing frenzy – perhaps because the Indian elite knows that it cannot live up to the fiction of India as a true global power that serves its poorest and most vulnerable people. Prime Minister Narendra Modi, already on the ropes in what promised to be a close election, needed an intervention. The Pulwama attack provided the opening. Any escalation of military action between Pakistan and India will only serve to whet the appetite of PM Modi’s war-mongering inner circle.

Perhaps more importantly, Pakistan is in the midst of trying to avoid devastating further reductions in public expenditure – mainly by borrowing money from countries like Saudi Arabia, the UAE and China – none of whom is interested in either Kashmir or Pakistani masculinity – and all of whom are invested in Pakistan’s economic potential. Can such a Pakistan afford any war at all, no matter how limited? Absolutely not.
The truth is that Pakistan’s incredible soldiers, spies and policemen and women have already fought India and won. The war on the TTP and associated foreign funded terrorist groups is essentially over. Pakistan and its security establishment should be reaping the rewards of this victory (through economic growth and peacetime), not readying to deploy to forward positions once again.

Among the P5+1 countries, Germany, France, the US, the UK and Russia, may all support India when it comes to choosing between India’s narrative and the LeT, JeM or HQN. So too will China. No country on the planet will choose UNSC 1267 listed organisations over the world’s largest democracy – no matter how rotten and poisonous the fruit of that democracy may be.

The people of Kashmir are much braver and more inventive than any of the blanks that these organisations have been firing since 1998. The Kargil fiasco marked the end of the old world. Anyone that truly cares about the future of Kashmir, the legitimacy of its struggle, anyone that truly cares about Pakistani sovereignty, anyone that truly cares about Pakistani soldiers, their sacrifices, can only come to one conclusion. It is time to take away India’s alibis in Pakistan. It is time to end the visibility of banned organisations.

The writer is an analyst and commentator.
www.mosharrafzaidi.com

Who stands for our sovereignty?


I suggest everyone to read this

Ladke ne dil khol ke rakh diya, Dard dekho iska

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

I don't think so yet ,deep state has presence in major pillars of demoncrazy education , judiciary are major ones education from childhood molds the opinion same goes for history , movies, TV shows etc then ofcourse judiciary ,media etc these are full of urban naxals, leftist retards . Plus RSS cadre is killed regularly and is rivalled by PFI ,sdpi kinds which have better funding and are much more violent . A complete overhaul needs i.e. re write history from our perspective and question every muzzie and commie for their history and atrocities ,also put blame on their ideologies so much so that they feel ashamed and self doubt ,like you know many cool Hindus feel ashamed of their culture ,religion ,see how smartly they find in every cultural aspect of Hindus ,be it cows ,milk "wasted" on shiv pooja etc etc with prime time debates articles etc ,while muzzies cut goats ,dicks ,vaginas(in some cases) etc and are never questioned.
I guess it's off topic but we do not have a deep state yet.

There has been silent revolution. It is a fact that the hindu practices are retarded. Hinduism is a degradation of dharma and many useless practices have crept in. Textbooks etc will be changed at the right time as changing it now may cause unnecessary turmoil as that may instigate people. As I said, today we are loving in a time of truce due to natural resource equation and hence only mild changes will be done to avoid antagonising and keep petroleum supply flowing. Ram Mandir also will be constructed at the right time. For now it is only required to keep people in hindu fold. The mindset can be changed according to requirement in the future.

 

[uoftotaku]

I dont see any IN ships on radar. My be this website won't display locations of War ships.
Emperor is out with his cavalry. Thats the reason pakistan handed over abhi so early without any demands. Seems like IN got signal green for Operation Trident 2019.

Nope...military vessels just like military aircraft have option of switching off their civil locator transponders so they won't be visible unless they WANT to be seen

BTW if anyone wants to see if jet fuel is coming in...the TYPES of tankers docking are important. Only certain ships are able to transport jet fuel..usually with IMO II certificate for transportation of chemical or highly flammable cargo. They have special tank coatings and inert gas systems to carry jet fuel

 

[dude00720]

My wife asked me if I was in RAW. Lol

My wife asks me, Why I'm not in RAW? :biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2: Doval Sahib I can be of use.

 

[rkhanna]

So we have 20 odd IAF pilots already trained to fly Rafale? Or are French pilots going to fly this squadron? We all do know war history of the French so I will be little worried.

Please dont get taken in by this BS. it will take the IAF a minimum 2 years to put the Rafales on the front line after they are developed. Entire set of Pilots / Tactics/ Doctrine / Combined Air Formation Doctrine / Logistics will have to be put in place. Otherwise a PAF pilot in a F-16 will win. Its just common sense.

And no - No other country is going to risk their assets (pilots) for someting thats not in their national security

before the refusal, they were purchased

SG fields primarily FN weapons not HK. That being said small batchs can always be bought on the black market and other dealers.

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[rkhanna]

OT - but this reposting what i posted on BRF

Now add this engagement (BISON vs Falcon) with the filter of the IAF stating that the PLAAF's newest toys pinged loud and clear on our ISR assets.

Given all this can you imagine all the noise and flurry within the PLAAF - They will have to go back to the drawing board as they have now been exposed to a Real World Case study of IAF Tactics and Training Capability -

And the Bison has achieved a real world vindication and validation of tactics of what we demonstrated all the way back in 2004 (CopeIndia04)

 

[S.A.T.A]

Big fat finger to Terroristan

This image should be a cause for concern in pakistan. It's alarming that despite having singham under custody and torture for more than 48 hours, PAK army was unable change his 'Haram' habits. PAK fauj's Islamic rootings appears to be under some doubt here. There is an urgent need to conduct reorientation classes(may be the Chinese can lend a hand here)

 

[dumdumdum]

Please dont get taken in by this BS. it will take the IAF a minimum 2 years to put the Rafales on the front line after they are developed. Entire set of Pilots / Tactics/ Doctrine / Combined Air Formation Doctrine / Logistics will have to be put in place. Otherwise a PAF pilot in a F-16 will win. Its just common sense.

And no - No other country is going to risk their assets (pilots) for someting thats not in their national security

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I was being Sarcastic ....30 Characters

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Another IED exploded in Pulwama.

Only one civilian died in this IED blast. I think it was the jihadi setting up the IED himself. Serves him right.

 

[AnantS]

Please dont get taken in by this BS. it will take the IAF a minimum 2 years to put the Rafales on the front line after they are developed. Entire set of Pilots / Tactics/ Doctrine / Combined Air Formation Doctrine / Logistics will have to be put in place. Otherwise a PAF pilot in a F-16 will win. Its just common sense.

And no - No other country is going to risk their assets (pilots) for someting thats not in their national security




SG fields primarily FN weapons not HK. That being said small batchs can always be bought on the black market and other dealers.

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I think by SG he meant MP 5's carried by NSG and assorted Police Commandos around states.

 

[Enquirer]

Mosharraf Zaidi
February 27, 2019

Who stands for our sovereignty?


Over 40 Indian soldiers of the paramilitary Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) were killed on February 14 in Pulwama, Occupied Kashmir in a car bombing that shook India, the wider region, and global affairs for India and Pakistan, to their core.

The initial casualties of the Pulwama attack were Indian soldiers. This is part and parcel of the dynamic between a brutal occupying force of a hegemonic and unhinged regional power, namely India, and the brave and fearless Kashmiri people, who have suffered a 70-year occupation with unmatched dignity and integrity.

Pakistan’s official reaction to the Pulwama attack has been very measured and should be welcomed. Prime Minister Imran Khan repeated his core mission in the region, one that he has repeated several times, of seeking détente and peace with India. He also warned India of retaliation if Pakistan was provoked. The official armed forces spokesperson also gave an impassioned presentation about option 1 and option 1A for Pakistan: which is peace, and more peace. But he also elaborated on Pakistan’s quest for peace, whilst being prepared for war. Pakistani diplomats, and especially Pakistan’s two brilliant daughters – Dr Maleeha Lodhi at the UN in New York and Tehmina Janjua at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Islamabad – engaged Pakistan’s bilateral partners and friends and explained the position of the pro-peace government of Pakistan.

Despite all these measures, while India counts its dead, it is also important to take stock of the damage that the Pulwama attack has inflicted on the Pakistani side. The aftermath of the Pulwama attack exposes three realities about Pakistan that need to be accounted for in the short, medium and long term thinking of the military leadership through the army’s Corps Commanders Conference, the intelligence community through rank and file officers of the ISI, and to a lesser extent, the inner circle of Prime Minister Imran Khan, and BPS 20 and below officers of the foreign service. What are these three realities?

The first reality is the damage that has been done to the Kashmir cause. India has successfully cobranded the Kashmiri struggle for self determination with the UNSC Resolution 1267 listed Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) (and their derivatives such as Jamaat ud Dawa (JuD), and Falah e Insaniyat Foundation (FIF)). Unlike three decades ago, Kashmir today does not enjoy any significant salience in the wider Muslim world outside of Pakistan.

The second reality that Pulwama reminds us of is the vulnerability of Pakistan to a punitive international system. In the voice and visibility of proscribed and listed organisations like LeT and JeM, members of the international community have an easy and readily available instrument with which they can curry favour with India, or equally, with which they can punish Pakistan for grievances they may hold against this country. This vulnerability is especially pronounced because Pakistan – which has just completed its latest round of funding its fiscal deficit through foreign funding – does not enjoy fiscal sovereignty. Sanctions regimes, the Financial Action Task Force and even IMF negotiations are all much more menacing and toxic for Pakistan, because of our failure at managing and muting banned organisations like the LeT and JeM.

The third reality that Pulwama has exposed is that the spectre of non-state actors (notwithstanding whether the world’s accusations are true or not) has fundamentally altered the strategic space that Pakistan operates in, and has damaged the concept of Pakistani territorial sovereignty. Non-state actors that are deemed malignant by the international community are part and parcel of the burden that Pakistani diplomats must bear in every international forum. Adversarial actors such as India, and at times the US, have successfully used accusations of Pakistani safe havens for these kinds of groups to cross Pakistan’s red lines, with little reaction from us. These accusations are rooted in the freedom that members of these groups enjoy to make speeches, and in one case, to build political parties and participate in elections.

In 2011, the US breached these red lines twice. Once in May 2011 in pursuit of Osama Bin Laden in Abbottabad, and then again at the border with Afghanistan at the Salala post, in a brazen attack on Pakistani soldiers that has, to this day been neither investigated properly by Pakistan nor accounted for adequately by the US. In neither case we were able to mount a credible response.

In 2016, after the Uri attack in Occupied Kashmir, India claimed to have conducted ‘surgical strikes’ inside Pakistani territory. And yesterday, after Pulwama, India once again breached these red lines, and flew Mirage 2000 fighter jets into Pakistani territory, dropping payload in the skies above Balakot.

Once adversaries identify their targets as being capable of taking a hit without retaliating, the outer perimeter of acceptable provocative behavior changes. The space to operate and response to future attacks shrinks. Pakistan has established precedence of being able to absorb the attacks of friends (like the US) and enemies (like India). Future breaches of Pakistan’s red line therefore have less fear of retaliation associated with them. This was the view of experts in the immediate aftermath of the OBL raid by the US. In the skies above Muzaffarabad and Balakot, with ordinary Pakistanis bravely looking up to stare down India’s military hardware, that view came to fruition.

The solution to these three realities is not a military retaliation to India’s brazen act of aggression and provocation. India is a nation of unparalleled potential, but its size and economic clout has instigated rogue, hegemonic behaviour, made worse by religious extremists having successfully brainwashed hundreds of millions of their countrymen into an existential right-wing frenzy – perhaps because the Indian elite knows that it cannot live up to the fiction of India as a true global power that serves its poorest and most vulnerable people. Prime Minister Narendra Modi, already on the ropes in what promised to be a close election, needed an intervention. The Pulwama attack provided the opening. Any escalation of military action between Pakistan and India will only serve to whet the appetite of PM Modi’s war-mongering inner circle.

Perhaps more importantly, Pakistan is in the midst of trying to avoid devastating further reductions in public expenditure – mainly by borrowing money from countries like Saudi Arabia, the UAE and China – none of whom is interested in either Kashmir or Pakistani masculinity – and all of whom are invested in Pakistan’s economic potential. Can such a Pakistan afford any war at all, no matter how limited? Absolutely not.
The truth is that Pakistan’s incredible soldiers, spies and policemen and women have already fought India and won. The war on the TTP and associated foreign funded terrorist groups is essentially over. Pakistan and its security establishment should be reaping the rewards of this victory (through economic growth and peacetime), not readying to deploy to forward positions once again.

Among the P5+1 countries, Germany, France, the US, the UK and Russia, may all support India when it comes to choosing between India’s narrative and the LeT, JeM or HQN. So too will China. No country on the planet will choose UNSC 1267 listed organisations over the world’s largest democracy – no matter how rotten and poisonous the fruit of that democracy may be.

The people of Kashmir are much braver and more inventive than any of the blanks that these organisations have been firing since 1998. The Kargil fiasco marked the end of the old world. Anyone that truly cares about the future of Kashmir, the legitimacy of its struggle, anyone that truly cares about Pakistani sovereignty, anyone that truly cares about Pakistani soldiers, their sacrifices, can only come to one conclusion. It is time to take away India’s alibis in Pakistan. It is time to end the visibility of banned organisations.

The writer is an analyst and commentator.
www.mosharrafzaidi.com

Who stands for our sovereignty?


I suggest everyone to read this

Ladke ne dil khol ke rakh diya, Dard dekho iska

He's still treading a fine line by deliberately not making the connection that all jihadi groups are essentially the assets of Paki army/ISI. Net-net he's disingenuous; but I guess that's the best he can do if wants to survive inside Pakistan.

The likes of Husain Haqqani give the best exposition of what Paki land actually is.

 

[cyclops]

Condition now.................

We can still escalate if some high level pakis die.

 

[AnantS]

OT - but this reposting what i posted on BRF

Now add this engagement (BISON vs Falcon) with the filter of the IAF stating that the PLAAF's newest toys pinged loud and clear on our ISR assets.

Given all this can you imagine all the noise and flurry within the PLAAF - They will have to go back to the drawing board as they have now been exposed to a Real World Case study of IAF Tactics and Training Capability -

And the Bison has achieved a real world vindication and validation of tactics of what we demonstrated all the way back in 2004 (CopeIndia04)

What PLAAF assets are you talking about (JF-17 and ZDK-03)? more details and such analysis please.

 

[uoftotaku]

I think by SG he meant MP 5's carried by NSG and assorted Police Commandos around states.

Purchased before the sales ban which is very recent.

For Pak side they locally manufacture clones of G3 and MP5

 

[AnantS]

Purchased before the sales ban which is very recent.

yes thats what i said in my previous quoted post