India Strikes Against Pakistani Terrorism 2019

[Hiranyaksha]

Condition now.................
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We can still escalate if some high level pakis die.

I think situation has de-escalated now . Pakistan has not retaliated. I guess, sab khatam ?

 

[kamaal]

Navy twitter handle tweets..

 

[thethinker]

Mosharraf Zaidi
February 27, 2019

Who stands for our sovereignty?






The third reality that Pulwama has exposed is that the spectre of non-state actors (notwithstanding whether the world’s accusations are true or not) has fundamentally altered the strategic space that Pakistan operates in, and has damaged the concept of Pakistani territorial sovereignty. Non-state actors that are deemed malignant by the international community are part and parcel of the burden that Pakistani diplomats must bear in every international forum.

Paki sophistry and obfuscation as usual.

Notice how the blame of 'non-state actors deemed malignant' is shifted from the Paki army to the diplomatic domain without any mention of uniformed jihadis at all.

It's the same good Paki bad Paki routine when in fact they are all the same. Paki military trains and develops terror assets while the Paki civilian govt allocates funds from their budget to do so and then play dumb and ignorant.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Mosharraf Zaidi
February 27, 2019

Who stands for our sovereignty?


Over 40 Indian soldiers of the paramilitary Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) were killed on February 14 in Pulwama, Occupied Kashmir in a car bombing that shook India, the wider region, and global affairs for India and Pakistan, to their core.

The initial casualties of the Pulwama attack were Indian soldiers. This is part and parcel of the dynamic between a brutal occupying force of a hegemonic and unhinged regional power, namely India, and the brave and fearless Kashmiri people, who have suffered a 70-year occupation with unmatched dignity and integrity.

Pakistan’s official reaction to the Pulwama attack has been very measured and should be welcomed. Prime Minister Imran Khan repeated his core mission in the region, one that he has repeated several times, of seeking détente and peace with India. He also warned India of retaliation if Pakistan was provoked. The official armed forces spokesperson also gave an impassioned presentation about option 1 and option 1A for Pakistan: which is peace, and more peace. But he also elaborated on Pakistan’s quest for peace, whilst being prepared for war. Pakistani diplomats, and especially Pakistan’s two brilliant daughters – Dr Maleeha Lodhi at the UN in New York and Tehmina Janjua at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Islamabad – engaged Pakistan’s bilateral partners and friends and explained the position of the pro-peace government of Pakistan.

Despite all these measures, while India counts its dead, it is also important to take stock of the damage that the Pulwama attack has inflicted on the Pakistani side. The aftermath of the Pulwama attack exposes three realities about Pakistan that need to be accounted for in the short, medium and long term thinking of the military leadership through the army’s Corps Commanders Conference, the intelligence community through rank and file officers of the ISI, and to a lesser extent, the inner circle of Prime Minister Imran Khan, and BPS 20 and below officers of the foreign service. What are these three realities?

The first reality is the damage that has been done to the Kashmir cause. India has successfully cobranded the Kashmiri struggle for self determination with the UNSC Resolution 1267 listed Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) (and their derivatives such as Jamaat ud Dawa (JuD), and Falah e Insaniyat Foundation (FIF)). Unlike three decades ago, Kashmir today does not enjoy any significant salience in the wider Muslim world outside of Pakistan.

The second reality that Pulwama reminds us of is the vulnerability of Pakistan to a punitive international system. In the voice and visibility of proscribed and listed organisations like LeT and JeM, members of the international community have an easy and readily available instrument with which they can curry favour with India, or equally, with which they can punish Pakistan for grievances they may hold against this country. This vulnerability is especially pronounced because Pakistan – which has just completed its latest round of funding its fiscal deficit through foreign funding – does not enjoy fiscal sovereignty. Sanctions regimes, the Financial Action Task Force and even IMF negotiations are all much more menacing and toxic for Pakistan, because of our failure at managing and muting banned organisations like the LeT and JeM.

The third reality that Pulwama has exposed is that the spectre of non-state actors (notwithstanding whether the world’s accusations are true or not) has fundamentally altered the strategic space that Pakistan operates in, and has damaged the concept of Pakistani territorial sovereignty. Non-state actors that are deemed malignant by the international community are part and parcel of the burden that Pakistani diplomats must bear in every international forum. Adversarial actors such as India, and at times the US, have successfully used accusations of Pakistani safe havens for these kinds of groups to cross Pakistan’s red lines, with little reaction from us. These accusations are rooted in the freedom that members of these groups enjoy to make speeches, and in one case, to build political parties and participate in elections.

In 2011, the US breached these red lines twice. Once in May 2011 in pursuit of Osama Bin Laden in Abbottabad, and then again at the border with Afghanistan at the Salala post, in a brazen attack on Pakistani soldiers that has, to this day been neither investigated properly by Pakistan nor accounted for adequately by the US. In neither case we were able to mount a credible response.

In 2016, after the Uri attack in Occupied Kashmir, India claimed to have conducted ‘surgical strikes’ inside Pakistani territory. And yesterday, after Pulwama, India once again breached these red lines, and flew Mirage 2000 fighter jets into Pakistani territory, dropping payload in the skies above Balakot.

Once adversaries identify their targets as being capable of taking a hit without retaliating, the outer perimeter of acceptable provocative behavior changes. The space to operate and response to future attacks shrinks. Pakistan has established precedence of being able to absorb the attacks of friends (like the US) and enemies (like India). Future breaches of Pakistan’s red line therefore have less fear of retaliation associated with them. This was the view of experts in the immediate aftermath of the OBL raid by the US. In the skies above Muzaffarabad and Balakot, with ordinary Pakistanis bravely looking up to stare down India’s military hardware, that view came to fruition.

The solution to these three realities is not a military retaliation to India’s brazen act of aggression and provocation. India is a nation of unparalleled potential, but its size and economic clout has instigated rogue, hegemonic behaviour, made worse by religious extremists having successfully brainwashed hundreds of millions of their countrymen into an existential right-wing frenzy – perhaps because the Indian elite knows that it cannot live up to the fiction of India as a true global power that serves its poorest and most vulnerable people. Prime Minister Narendra Modi, already on the ropes in what promised to be a close election, needed an intervention. The Pulwama attack provided the opening. Any escalation of military action between Pakistan and India will only serve to whet the appetite of PM Modi’s war-mongering inner circle.

Perhaps more importantly, Pakistan is in the midst of trying to avoid devastating further reductions in public expenditure – mainly by borrowing money from countries like Saudi Arabia, the UAE and China – none of whom is interested in either Kashmir or Pakistani masculinity – and all of whom are invested in Pakistan’s economic potential. Can such a Pakistan afford any war at all, no matter how limited? Absolutely not.
The truth is that Pakistan’s incredible soldiers, spies and policemen and women have already fought India and won. The war on the TTP and associated foreign funded terrorist groups is essentially over. Pakistan and its security establishment should be reaping the rewards of this victory (through economic growth and peacetime), not readying to deploy to forward positions once again.

Among the P5+1 countries, Germany, France, the US, the UK and Russia, may all support India when it comes to choosing between India’s narrative and the LeT, JeM or HQN. So too will China. No country on the planet will choose UNSC 1267 listed organisations over the world’s largest democracy – no matter how rotten and poisonous the fruit of that democracy may be.

The people of Kashmir are much braver and more inventive than any of the blanks that these organisations have been firing since 1998. The Kargil fiasco marked the end of the old world. Anyone that truly cares about the future of Kashmir, the legitimacy of its struggle, anyone that truly cares about Pakistani sovereignty, anyone that truly cares about Pakistani soldiers, their sacrifices, can only come to one conclusion. It is time to take away India’s alibis in Pakistan. It is time to end the visibility of banned organisations.

The writer is an analyst and commentator.
www.mosharrafzaidi.com

Who stands for our sovereignty?


I suggest everyone to read this

Ladke ne dil khol ke rakh diya, Dard dekho iska

"It is time to end the visibility of banned organizations". Means only blatant visibility needs to end. Not the organizations themselves. Napakis never change.

 

[Killswitch]

BC congress congress congress wtf is wrong with you people? have you minds totally filled with shit in bhakti? Here i am saying that we are at a state of war and we should make emergency purchase of fighter aircraft and send the likes of mig21s and t55s and 72s to junkyard and you moron are acting like advocates of the ruling party.
The time to do that is gone, now what lies ahead is war and our absolute need to take the right actions for this war will decide the destiny of our nation and its people. Dont be a chutiya or a bhakt. Nation is of supreme importance not its ruler.

Nothing is wrong with me. I am being rational and I am using evidence based on facts.

As far as "emergency" purchases go, MIG is offering Mig 29 UPGS based on old unused airframes. This deal if signed tomorrow would still take years to produce all of these old airframes as combat ready aircraft. The lead-in time to buy jets even once the deal is signed takes years. If you propose buying used jets, you still have to identify what you want, find airworthy examples, buy them, ship them and probably refurbish them. That would take months at the least. Your idea of instantly inducting more jets isn't based on facts and is not feasible.

 

[ataru09]

Where is PAkistan BC. NO ban for them?
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Among the doyens of human rights that apparently includes China too!

 

[patriots]

Pakis are crying......bdw why army would use m777..........when we have Bofors

 

[apoorv465]

Pakis are crying......bdw why army would use m777..........when we have Bofors

Testing possibly?
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[tharikiran]

Oh, I see your confusion! Spice-2000 wasn't riding the Srinagar-Muzzafrabad bus! It flew straight line from an altitude.

It has already been stated that fighters had to go in and release the bombs closer to the target because of high winds. It wasn't released from standoff range.Plus desired altitude for weapon release was not achieved.

 

[patriots]

Testing possibly?
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Then why not.....atag and .....dhanush...too
Bdw some are saying...nag is already in action

 

[ataru09]

Pakis are crying......bdw why army would use m777..........when we have Bofors

Compact and easy to transport? Maybe placed in a location not accessible by what is used for bofors?

 

[Enquirer]

It has already been stated that fighters had to go in and release the bombs closer to the target because of high winds. It wasn't released from standoff range.

The article in IndianExpress that quotes Defence sources says otherwise.

 

[SanjeevM]

if indeed 200 Or more terrorists were in fact removed from the balakot camp,
in comparison to the 40 we lost, then I would take the view that
Indeed enough has been done and it’s time to de-escalate ….. a 200/40 ratio, can’t really expect more than that ¸and for a limited action is a heck of a success plus their airspace closed economic losses, we are still goh at oic meeting ....huge success .... stop now ..... give them notice any further terror will have similar ratio of losses for them



i'll go with your idea to take some posts i.e. everytime they try something they also lose territory ....azhar and hafiz (whatever) probably hidden as national treasures ..... forget it ....too high a price to pay to get that ....id say we are handsomely ahead ....call. it a day

This comparison of 200/40 is not legit. 40 CRPF men we lost were trained soldiers. Terrorists can't be compared with soldiers. In Pakistan, every male is a terrorist who harbours thoughts of destroying India and non-Muslims. Until their radicalization changes, every male is a terrorist. You call them non-standard actors or whatever. Attacking a soldier means they attacked India as a whole, whereas deaths of terrorists will be disowned by Pakistan as they didn't have to pay salaries to maintain a force of terrorists. Terrorists are recruited on a promise of 72 hoors and such promises don't cost anything.

Until huge number of Pakistani soldiers are killed, this comparison is not acceptable.

 

[AnantS]

The article in IndianExpress that quotes Defence sources says otherwise.

you should not believe these sources blindly.. similar sources also mentioned coup taking place under mms
IAF has SAR images of destruction caused, do you think that can be performed from standoff ranges?

 

[tarunraju]

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Confirms my suspicion that all foreign mil hardware vendors are offering free field trials during conflict for their wares.

Mikoyan Bureau got its money's worth.

 

[rkhanna]

What PLAAF assets are you talking about (JF-17 and ZDK-03)? more details and such analysis please.

I am saying that whatever PLAAF operation plans/Doctrine to Confront India would be there would have gone for a Toss.

Already (if we believe whats put out) PLAAF technological advantage is dented by Geography. Visavis India PLAAF will take off from smaller airbases at higher altitude and further away from the border to Confront India - Whether Strike/CAP/Interdiction. They will always suffer the limitations of Payload and Fuel because of that.

Given that IAF can already Ping j20s on radar AND given how efficicently we can still use 60year old tech their "Technical Superiority" takes a dent.

They will need a strategic rethink on Orbat and Training Visavis India

Testing possibly?
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In these few days we have tested and validated every new piece of kit we have inducted in the last decade

- SPICE 2000
- Derby
- Spyder
- Netra AWAC
- Overal C&C
- ISR
- Artellery
- Logistics movement and supply Chain

etc

 

[Rahul Singh]

Then why not.....atag and .....dhanush...too
Bdw some are saying...nag is already in action

Considering M777 news is true. Then it must be on operational mobility testing in actual conditions. That includes air mobility in mountainous areas.

 

[S.A.T.A]

Paki sophistry and obfuscation as usual.

Notice how the blame of 'non-state actors deemed malignant' is shifted from the Paki army to the diplomatic domain without any mention of uniformed jihadis at all.

It's the same good Paki bad Paki routine when in fact they are all the same. Paki military trains and develops terror assets while the Paki civilian govt allocates funds from their budget to do so and then play dumb and ignorant.

The important message is that the author is calling upon the pakistani state to take stock of the fact that it's diplomatic Corp will no longer be able to convince the world on charade of non-state actors and nor should the state gamble away its sovereignty for the actions of such non-state actors. This is precisely the attitude india wishes it's neighbor would incorporate as a state policy.... Is anyone in Naya pakistan listening?

 

[AnantS]

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[patriots]

Considering M777 news is true. Then it must be on operational mobility testing in actual conditions. That includes air mobility in mountainous areas.

Cant say true. Bcoz its from a paki handle........