India S-400 Acquisition - News Updates and Discussions
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F35 being downed in Syria is fake news, doesn't get faker than this.
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Perfect case of jumping from the frying pan into the fire. Protracted negotiations conclude and the CATSA bites the deal's a$$.
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India is not bothered by CAATSA. India does not rely on USA defence technology. So, USA sanctions will hardly have any impact
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^^ living under the rock, eh?
Where will you get engine for Tejas and P17a? 4 ordered P8i? ultra light howitzer?
Billions of trade will jeopardized, no wonder hawks like Pompeo, Maddog are gunning for waiver
Moreover these are complete sanction not only military
Where will you get engine for Tejas and P17a? 4 ordered P8i? ultra light howitzer?
Billions of trade will jeopardized, no wonder hawks like Pompeo, Maddog are gunning for waiver
Moreover these are complete sanction not only military
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Living in your den?
India has already bought the required number of engines for Tejas. The Kaveri engine will be coming by next year and India does not need USA engine anymore. USA is also refusing to give ToT and India can't be forever dependent on USA engines. Here again, Tejas production will be delayed by 1-2 years at most but then it will pick up pace with Indian engine.
Ultra light howitzer has been completed by Baba Kalyani group. This is not a critical technology either and USA has offered no ToT. So, by canceling the deal, USA will lose, not India
P8I has mostly Indian equipments as USA refused to give more advanced equipments like carbon detector etc. Essentially India is just buying a modified Boeing plane which can be substituted by Airbus or Russian plane.
Trade with USA is not one sided. USA offers no critical technology or manufactured goods to India. The trade with USA is helping India get dollars which USA is simply printing. The trade helps legitimise the petrodollars by lending it higher acceptance internationally. Also, the silicon valley is run mainly by Indians which will collapse if Indians are excluded.
USA needs India more than India needs USA. Unless USA gives ToT for critical technology like Russia does, USA will have no leverage over India. Cutting down trade relation will delegitimise dollars as international currency. So, if anyone has to make the compromise, it is the USA.
PS: India is not just buying S400 but also getting some technology related to missile manufacturing for our own BMD like XR-SAM. This will be critical in helping India make effective BMD on its own
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All ready US pushed Turkey to buy SU-57 fighter aircraft if US block F-35 fighter sale to Turkey.
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Some people really think that US will sanction India under CAATSA?
Half of our defence equipment is Russian. We are going to buy Russuan stuff, CAATSA or no CAATSA. US knows that.
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Half of our defence equipment is Russian. We are going to buy Russuan stuff, CAATSA or no CAATSA. US knows that.
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What these people are saying is that India should fear the sanction as it will cause economic damage. However, the relation with USA is more of USA needing Indian talent than otherwise.
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With Pompeo and Jimmy Mattis both pushing for a waiver for India and Vietnam, CAATSA won't be affecting us Turkey, though...
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Last I checked India didn't sell its soul to US to do whatever it pleases with it.
While nobody can accuse Trump of being "a stable genius" except himself, rest of the MIC is not foolish.
Trumpian playing to the gallery can backfire stupendiously if a single statement is made by MEA that spells out F-U-C-K O-F-F.
While nobody can accuse Trump of being "a stable genius" except himself, rest of the MIC is not foolish.
Trumpian playing to the gallery can backfire stupendiously if a single statement is made by MEA that spells out F-U-C-K O-F-F.
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Where is S-400mentioned? There are only two items in the communique.
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US makes it very clear - Will not share sensitive defence tech with India if S-400 is signed
The US has serious concerns about India’s plans to buy the S-400 air defence system from Russia as it will inhibit ability of militaries from the two nations to operate together, chairman of the powerful US House Armed Services Committee has said. Concerns about India’s potential purchase of the S-400 have been conveyed to different levels of the government and the Russian system would also make it difficult for the US to share sensitive technology in the future, committee members who are in India said. “There is a lot of concern in the US administration and Congress with the S-400.
There is concern that any country that acquires the system will complicate the ability of interoperability (with US forces),” House Armed Services Committee chairman Mac Thornberry said in response to a question by ET.
Making it clear that the question of the S-400 purchase was beyond sanctions planned against Russia, Thornberry said that he hoped India will ‘take it’s time’ and carefully consider acquiring the system. India is on the path to acquire the air defence system from Russia for an estimated Rs 39,000 crore, with the deal to be signed by October.
US committee members linked the transfer of high-end technology for the Indian fighter aircraft production plan to the S-400 too.
“India wants to have more technology sharing and production like the F-16. The issue there is when you talk of technology and then there is the S-400...we do have some concerns that we have brought up to different levels of your government,” Democrat Congressman Harry Ceuller who represents Texas said.
Thornberry who heads the committee that oversees the Pentagon, all military services and all Department of Defense agencies including their budgets and policies also raised concerns about China’s ‘newly aggressive posture’ that has been creating new military bases in the Indian Ocean region and South China Sea.
“There is concern about China using debt to acquire bases and other sorts of things and then turn around to militarise them. That shows a newly-aggressive posture by China and that is an issue of concern,” he said.
The US has serious concerns about India’s plans to buy the S-400 air defence system from Russia as it will inhibit ability of militaries from the two nations to operate together, chairman of the powerful US House Armed Services Committee has said. Concerns about India’s potential purchase of the S-400 have been conveyed to different levels of the government and the Russian system would also make it difficult for the US to share sensitive technology in the future, committee members who are in India said. “There is a lot of concern in the US administration and Congress with the S-400.
There is concern that any country that acquires the system will complicate the ability of interoperability (with US forces),” House Armed Services Committee chairman Mac Thornberry said in response to a question by ET.
Making it clear that the question of the S-400 purchase was beyond sanctions planned against Russia, Thornberry said that he hoped India will ‘take it’s time’ and carefully consider acquiring the system. India is on the path to acquire the air defence system from Russia for an estimated Rs 39,000 crore, with the deal to be signed by October.
US committee members linked the transfer of high-end technology for the Indian fighter aircraft production plan to the S-400 too.
“India wants to have more technology sharing and production like the F-16. The issue there is when you talk of technology and then there is the S-400...we do have some concerns that we have brought up to different levels of your government,” Democrat Congressman Harry Ceuller who represents Texas said.
Thornberry who heads the committee that oversees the Pentagon, all military services and all Department of Defense agencies including their budgets and policies also raised concerns about China’s ‘newly aggressive posture’ that has been creating new military bases in the Indian Ocean region and South China Sea.
“There is concern about China using debt to acquire bases and other sorts of things and then turn around to militarise them. That shows a newly-aggressive posture by China and that is an issue of concern,” he said.
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US May Block Sale Of Armed Drones As India Is Buying Arms From Russia
India's acquisition of the state-of-the art Russian S-400 ballistic missile shield could come at the cost of getting access to cutting-edge US military equipment.
In an exclusive interview to NDTV, William Thornberry, the Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said, "The acquisition of this technology will limit, I am afraid, the degree with which the United States will feel comfortable in bringing additional technology into whatever country we are talking about."
Mr Thornberry, who oversees the Pentagon, all US Military Services and the US Department of Defence agencies, said the acquisition of the Russian system ''threatens our ability to work interoperably in the future."
Significantly, India's decision to go ahead with a Rs. 40,000 crore-deal with Russia for S-400 batteries could come in the way of India acquiring US-built Predator drones which could have been used in operations against terrorist launch-pads along the Line of Control with Pakistan.
Last month, the Trump administration had cleared the export of armed, unmanned drones to close strategic partners such as India. According to Mr Thornberry, "This is one of the areas where the acquisition of the Russian anti-aircraft system will make the acquisition of that technology somewhat more difficult."
India maintains a close military relationship with both the United States and Russia but it is Russia which has provided the bulk of India's military weapons systems over several decades. Earlier this year, the United States passed the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) against Russia for allegedly getting involved in the US election process. This means that the United States could technically place sanctions even on close partner nations such as India for acquiring Russian weaponry.
However, Mr Thornberry has pointed out that while the US is disappointed with India's new military acquisition from Russia, sanctions against New Delhi were unlikely at the present stage. Neither will there be an India-specific exemption to CAATSA. "In the legislation that passed the house just last Thursday, there was additional flexibility in the law for nations that have historical ties and thus Russian equipment" said Mr Thornberry who added that "there will be some additional flexibility that will not just be limited to India but there are other countries that fall into that category".
India, one of the largest importers of weaponry in the world, sources its military hardware from a host of countries including Russia, Israel, the United States and France. New Delhi has a strategic relationship with all these nations and has traditionally shied away from favouring one military supplier over another.
India's acquisition of the state-of-the art Russian S-400 ballistic missile shield could come at the cost of getting access to cutting-edge US military equipment.
In an exclusive interview to NDTV, William Thornberry, the Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said, "The acquisition of this technology will limit, I am afraid, the degree with which the United States will feel comfortable in bringing additional technology into whatever country we are talking about."
Mr Thornberry, who oversees the Pentagon, all US Military Services and the US Department of Defence agencies, said the acquisition of the Russian system ''threatens our ability to work interoperably in the future."
Significantly, India's decision to go ahead with a Rs. 40,000 crore-deal with Russia for S-400 batteries could come in the way of India acquiring US-built Predator drones which could have been used in operations against terrorist launch-pads along the Line of Control with Pakistan.
Last month, the Trump administration had cleared the export of armed, unmanned drones to close strategic partners such as India. According to Mr Thornberry, "This is one of the areas where the acquisition of the Russian anti-aircraft system will make the acquisition of that technology somewhat more difficult."
India maintains a close military relationship with both the United States and Russia but it is Russia which has provided the bulk of India's military weapons systems over several decades. Earlier this year, the United States passed the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) against Russia for allegedly getting involved in the US election process. This means that the United States could technically place sanctions even on close partner nations such as India for acquiring Russian weaponry.
However, Mr Thornberry has pointed out that while the US is disappointed with India's new military acquisition from Russia, sanctions against New Delhi were unlikely at the present stage. Neither will there be an India-specific exemption to CAATSA. "In the legislation that passed the house just last Thursday, there was additional flexibility in the law for nations that have historical ties and thus Russian equipment" said Mr Thornberry who added that "there will be some additional flexibility that will not just be limited to India but there are other countries that fall into that category".
India, one of the largest importers of weaponry in the world, sources its military hardware from a host of countries including Russia, Israel, the United States and France. New Delhi has a strategic relationship with all these nations and has traditionally shied away from favouring one military supplier over another.
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Def Authorisation Act provides 'flexibility' to countries like India that were likely hit by CATSA: US Congressman
The US National Defense Authorisation Act provides "flexibility" for countries like India who are dependent on Russia for their military purchases, but were likely hit by a 2017 US law to punish entities engaging in transactions with some sectors of Russia, North Korea and Iran, Congressman Mac Thornberry said today.
Thornberry is the Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, which oversees the Pentagon's all military services and all Department of Defense agencies including their budgets and policies.
The Congressman, who is part of a delegation visiting India, red-flagged the Indo-Russia S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems deal, stating there was "concern" in the US, both in the administration and in the Congress, that it would "complicate our ability to work on inter-operability".
Recognising that the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CATSA), that was signed in August last year, "does not have much flexibility", he said the National Defense Authorisation Bill 2019, which was passed in the House last week, adds more flexibility.
"So, there is an understanding in the administration and the Congress that some additional flexibility in that law is needed. And it's not just India that's in that situation, there other nations in that," Thornberry told reporters.
Besides Thornberry, Congresswomen Vicky Hartzler and Carol Shea-Porter and Congressman Harry Ceuller are also part of the delegation.
The CATSA mandates the US administration to punish entities engaging in significant transaction with the defence or intelligence sectors of Russia, North Korea and Iran.
This also impacts India, which depends on Russia for its military supplies.
Thornberry added that the new bill allows the US Secretary of Defence some discretion to allow any concession if a country is willing to reduce its dependence on Russian equipment.
"Now, some of the (Indian) government officials with whom we have met, believe that the language (of the Bill) could be improved. And so, I am certainly willing and anxious to hear suggestions not only from Indian governments but also other governments who may be affected on this by improving the language," the Congressman added.
He noted that one of the provisions of National Defense Authorisation Act 2019 is to rename the US-Pacific Command to be renamed as Indo-Pacific Command.
India has recently concluded price negotiations with Russia for a nearly Rs 40,000-crore deal to procure S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems for the Indian Air Force. The two countries are now trying to find a way out to evade the provisions of CATSA in regards to the deal.
"If there is concern that any country...it's not just India that is looking at acquiring it or any country that requires that system, it will complicate our ability to work on inter-operability together. So, that completely separate and apart from any sanctions, legislations. I hope that the (Indian) government will take its time and consider very carefully in acquiring that system (S-400) because of the difficulties it may present," he added.
Referring to muscling in of China in the Indo-Pacific, he said the islands Beijing is building in the disputed South China Sea were initially said to be meant only to help rescue stranded fishermen and that they would never put military capability.
"There is concern about using debt to acquire bases and other sorts of things in variety of countries and then turning around and militarising them which shows a newly aggressive posturing by China," Thornberry said.
He added that in Djibouti, China was to initially have a commercial port but it brought military capability there.
The US National Defense Authorisation Act provides "flexibility" for countries like India who are dependent on Russia for their military purchases, but were likely hit by a 2017 US law to punish entities engaging in transactions with some sectors of Russia, North Korea and Iran, Congressman Mac Thornberry said today.
Thornberry is the Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, which oversees the Pentagon's all military services and all Department of Defense agencies including their budgets and policies.
The Congressman, who is part of a delegation visiting India, red-flagged the Indo-Russia S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems deal, stating there was "concern" in the US, both in the administration and in the Congress, that it would "complicate our ability to work on inter-operability".
Recognising that the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CATSA), that was signed in August last year, "does not have much flexibility", he said the National Defense Authorisation Bill 2019, which was passed in the House last week, adds more flexibility.
"So, there is an understanding in the administration and the Congress that some additional flexibility in that law is needed. And it's not just India that's in that situation, there other nations in that," Thornberry told reporters.
Besides Thornberry, Congresswomen Vicky Hartzler and Carol Shea-Porter and Congressman Harry Ceuller are also part of the delegation.
The CATSA mandates the US administration to punish entities engaging in significant transaction with the defence or intelligence sectors of Russia, North Korea and Iran.
This also impacts India, which depends on Russia for its military supplies.
Thornberry added that the new bill allows the US Secretary of Defence some discretion to allow any concession if a country is willing to reduce its dependence on Russian equipment.
"Now, some of the (Indian) government officials with whom we have met, believe that the language (of the Bill) could be improved. And so, I am certainly willing and anxious to hear suggestions not only from Indian governments but also other governments who may be affected on this by improving the language," the Congressman added.
He noted that one of the provisions of National Defense Authorisation Act 2019 is to rename the US-Pacific Command to be renamed as Indo-Pacific Command.
India has recently concluded price negotiations with Russia for a nearly Rs 40,000-crore deal to procure S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems for the Indian Air Force. The two countries are now trying to find a way out to evade the provisions of CATSA in regards to the deal.
"If there is concern that any country...it's not just India that is looking at acquiring it or any country that requires that system, it will complicate our ability to work on inter-operability together. So, that completely separate and apart from any sanctions, legislations. I hope that the (Indian) government will take its time and consider very carefully in acquiring that system (S-400) because of the difficulties it may present," he added.
Referring to muscling in of China in the Indo-Pacific, he said the islands Beijing is building in the disputed South China Sea were initially said to be meant only to help rescue stranded fishermen and that they would never put military capability.
"There is concern about using debt to acquire bases and other sorts of things in variety of countries and then turning around and militarising them which shows a newly aggressive posturing by China," Thornberry said.
He added that in Djibouti, China was to initially have a commercial port but it brought military capability there.
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US will loose big defence contracts if it sanctions India over the S-400 Missile Deal
The Indian Air Force is all set to acquire S-400 Triumf air defence missiles from Russia after the two countries concluded price negotiations on the procurement and the modus of the transaction.
India wants to procure the long-range S-400 Triumf missile systems for the Indian Air Force to tighten its air defence mechanism, particularly to neutralise Pakistani Nuclear Missiles.
Defence officials said the two countries are now trying to find a way out to evade the provisions of a US law that seeks to punish countries and entities engaged in transactions with the defence or intelligence establishment of Russia.
"The negotiations for the missile deal have been concluded. The financial component has been finalised," PTI quoted a top official involved in the negotiations as saying. The deal is expected to be announced before an annual summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin in October 2018, it added.
Both sides are now looking at ways to insulate the deal from the sanctions announced by the US against Russia under its Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA). The issue is understood to have figured during Modi's informal talks with Putin in Sochi on 21 May 2018.
There has been mounting concerns in India over the US sanctions against Russian defence majors, including Rosoboronexport, over Russia’s alleged meddling in the US election in 2016.
CAATSA, which came into effect in January 2018, mandates the Donald Trump administration to punish entities engaging in significant transaction with the defence or intelligence establishment of Russia. US Defence Secretary Jim Mattis has already appealed to the Congress to urgently provide waivers to India, saying that imposing sanctions under CAATSA for the S-400 air defence missile deal would only hit the US.
In 2016, India and Russia signed an agreement on the 'Triumf' interceptor-based missile system which can destroy incoming hostile aircraft, missiles and even drones at ranges of up to 400 km. S-400 is known as Russia's most advanced long-range surface-to-air missile defence system.
China was the first foreign country to seal a government-to-government deal with Russia in 2014 to procure the lethal missile system and Moscow has already started delivery of the S-400 missile systems to Beijing. The S-400 is an upgraded version of the S-300 missile systems manufactured by Almaz-Antey systems, which has been in service in Russia since 2007.
The Indian Air Force is all set to acquire S-400 Triumf air defence missiles from Russia after the two countries concluded price negotiations on the procurement and the modus of the transaction.
India wants to procure the long-range S-400 Triumf missile systems for the Indian Air Force to tighten its air defence mechanism, particularly to neutralise Pakistani Nuclear Missiles.
Defence officials said the two countries are now trying to find a way out to evade the provisions of a US law that seeks to punish countries and entities engaged in transactions with the defence or intelligence establishment of Russia.
"The negotiations for the missile deal have been concluded. The financial component has been finalised," PTI quoted a top official involved in the negotiations as saying. The deal is expected to be announced before an annual summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin in October 2018, it added.
Both sides are now looking at ways to insulate the deal from the sanctions announced by the US against Russia under its Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA). The issue is understood to have figured during Modi's informal talks with Putin in Sochi on 21 May 2018.
There has been mounting concerns in India over the US sanctions against Russian defence majors, including Rosoboronexport, over Russia’s alleged meddling in the US election in 2016.
CAATSA, which came into effect in January 2018, mandates the Donald Trump administration to punish entities engaging in significant transaction with the defence or intelligence establishment of Russia. US Defence Secretary Jim Mattis has already appealed to the Congress to urgently provide waivers to India, saying that imposing sanctions under CAATSA for the S-400 air defence missile deal would only hit the US.
In 2016, India and Russia signed an agreement on the 'Triumf' interceptor-based missile system which can destroy incoming hostile aircraft, missiles and even drones at ranges of up to 400 km. S-400 is known as Russia's most advanced long-range surface-to-air missile defence system.
China was the first foreign country to seal a government-to-government deal with Russia in 2014 to procure the lethal missile system and Moscow has already started delivery of the S-400 missile systems to Beijing. The S-400 is an upgraded version of the S-300 missile systems manufactured by Almaz-Antey systems, which has been in service in Russia since 2007.
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To how many media houses is this guy mac thornberry giving interviews on the same topic. He seems to have given interview to NDTV and also Indian Express.
