India-Pakistan LoC/IB Skirmishes in the Aftermath of August 5 2019

[fyodor]

India should send troops --- if Afghanistan fall again into paki lap it's over ---- expect another 1000 years of assault, more resource wastage on Kashmir --- if Afghanistan is subdued expect most of Indian external threat gone for ever ---- India should stick with training ANA & don't engage in anything else.

Putting a division, an air force squadron and special ops teams will be enough. Only special ops will do the actual field work. Division can be used to maintain a " presence ", security of assets and training for Afghan troops.

Not to mention it gives India the ultimate opportunity to meddle in Balochistan and ultimately separate it from Pakistan.

 

[abhay rajput]

Putting a division, an air force squadron and special ops teams will be enough. Only special ops will do the actual field work. Division can be used to maintain a " presence ", security of assets and training for Afghan troops.

Not to mention it gives India the ultimate opportunity to meddle in Balochistan and ultimately separate it from Pakistan.

Why put boots..! put some mirage and jaguar aircrafts over there and start bombing ... Let Afghan army fight on the ground, what Afghanistan lacks is close air support at will ...

 

[Jameson Emoni]

Why put boots..! put some mirage and jaguar aircrafts over there and start bombing ... Let Afghan army fight on the ground, what Afghanistan lacks is close air support at will ...

I agree.

There is nothing India will be able to do for Afghans if they themselves are not committed. I think India should consider air support if it is logistically possible. Even in this limited role, there is a chance of mischief from Pakistan's anti-aircraft batteries.

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

Where is our covert war? Are we doing anything in Balochistan and KPK? No use just sitting there and taking this shit.

We sent in money and weapons through IRGC in Iran and NDS in Afghanistan to Rebels in KPK and Balochistan. Even if Government denies any involvement. We have influence in both places through our “allies” and Proxies.

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

I agree.

There is nothing India will be able to do for Afghans if they themselves are not committed. I think India should consider air support if it is logistically possible. Even in this limited role, there is a chance of mischief from Pakistan's anti-aircraft batteries.

Most of PorkiShitan ‘s frontiers are still lawless. We can use our base in Tajikistan and Maybe Iran as well if we ask them nicely with our money with this we can give air support to Afghan Army and Police. This will help our pilots. Everything has to be covert. We should deploy Covert special forces and Advisors from RAW and Army to help the Afghan Forces.

 

[aarav]

India should send troops in Afghanistan only if Iran guarantee the supply route ,start training BLA and allied groups,TTP & Hizbul Ahrar,kill TTA & disrupt ISI influence,get some air power their ,some ground firepower,would negate Pakistan value tremendously in global politics as they project themselves as Kingmaker of Afghanistan,India has made some serious gains in large sections of Afghan,most have a visceral hatred for Pakistan as they constantly meddle in their affairs, not to forget $3 billion we pumped in their , insurgency threat from the north east has diminished ,those troops can be transferred but at the end it all depends on a robust supply route and India can instantly transfer 50k troops who can start counter insurgency.Or you can fight them in LoC with Pakistani cover fire or in hinterland with KMs support

 

[Waanar]

India should send troops in Afghanistan only if Iran guarantee the supply route ,start training BLA and allied groups,TTP & Hizbul Ahrar,kill TTA & disrupt ISI influence,get some air power their ,some ground firepower,would negate Pakistan value tremendously in global politics as they project themselves as Kingmaker of Afghanistan,India has made some serious gains in large sections of Afghan,most have a visceral hatred for Pakistan as they constantly meddle in their affairs, not to forget $3 billion we pumped in their , insurgency threat from the north east has diminished ,those troops can be transferred but at the end it all depends on a robust supply route and India can instantly transfer 50k troops who can start counter insurgency.Or you can fight them in LoC with Pakistani cover fire or in hinterland with KMs support

Iran offering supply route for us to train BLA?

What next, India offering supply route for Americans to train Khalistanis?

Iran also occupies some swathes of lands of Balochistan and BLA cites it as an agenda all the time. Not gonna happen in a million years unless we can get BLA to negotiate on those terms.

One thing I don't get, and I'd love the fellow Dfians to help me understand. Why are Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan not as sought after as Pakistan as supply routes by either us or the Americans?
Too much Russian influence? The terrible terrain? What is it that'd make the Americans pump millions in Porkiland but not the others?

I think India had an airbase somewhere in Uzbekistan... Don't remember though.

Another point, and I swear I'll sound like a dumb shit for asking this but *deep breath*

Couldn't we set up factories or manufacturing units for logistics right in their country by some sort of MoU rather than having to transport it all from India to there?

Forgive me for the stupid question but seriously, why is Afghanistan such a logistical nightmare?

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

Iran offering supply route for us to train BLA?

What next, India offering supply route for Americans to train Khalistanis?

Iran also occupies some swathes of lands of Balochistan and BLA cites it as an agenda all the time. Not gonna happen in a million years unless we can get BLA to negotiate on those terms.

One thing I don't get, and I'd love the fellow Dfians to help me understand. Why are Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan not as sought after as Pakistan as supply routes by either us or the Americans?
Too much Russian influence? The terrible terrain? What is it that'd make the Americans pump millions in Porkiland but not the others?

I think India had an airbase somewhere in Uzbekistan... Don't remember though.

Another point, and I swear I'll sound like a dumb shit for asking this but *deep breath*

Couldn't we set up factories or manufacturing units for logistics right in their country by some sort of MoU rather than having to transport it all from India to there?

Forgive me for the stupid question but seriously, why is Afghanistan such a logistical nightmare?

The Indian Airbase that you are talking about is in Tajikistan and it’s jointly operated by India and Tajikistan and also Iran and BLA don’t currently have any conflict with each other. Most of the fighting is between Porki Hijada Army and there Pisslam Terrorist proxies like LeT and JeM. The Conflict between the Balochis and the Persians is mainly based Sunni and Shia Pisslam Shit. Sunni Balochi Terrorist Groups in Iranian Balochistan are under the control or influence of ISI and Porki Hijada Army. They played a critical role in the abduction of Kulbushan Jadhav from Iran and Also Blowing Up Iranian IRGC Transport Bus similar to what happened in Pulwama.

On your question of Why aren’t NATO or India use Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan as Supply Bases one possibility I can come with is that problems with Terrain and infrastructure but Russian influence is secondary issue in this. The Land Inside Afghanistan and Near it’s borders are all Harsh/Semi-Desert, Mountainous and Hilly. There aren’t any major road networks that connect Afghanistan with all three countries that you mentioned. That’s why Afghanistan use to do all there trading with PorkiShitani Dogs before India and Iran came into the Picture with Chabahar Port. Roads inside itself is very bad and majority of them are filled with Mines and IEDs which are very expensive to clear out. The Khyber Pass is only realiable path between Afghanistan and Outside World. That’s why NATO/US uses it frequently and Pay off the Porki Camel Pee Drinkers.

The Question you asked isn’t dumb bro. First problem with Setting up Factories in Afghanistan is a nightmare is again like on the top Afghanistan has shitty infrastructure and roads. Even if we build factories they can’t setup the rest or maintain it right. There was a time Afghanistan had one of the best infrastructure in the entire South Asia but hundreds of years of war and famine fucked everything up And the Second problem is the Taliban and Hundreds of other smaller Pisslamic Terrorist Groups that make Afghanistan there training base. Majority of them hate the Government and will attack or Blow up any and all new Government infrastructure especially Factories and buildings.

 

[sorcerer]

Iran offering supply route for us to train BLA?

What next, India offering supply route for Americans to train Khalistanis?

Iran also occupies some swathes of lands of Balochistan and BLA cites it as an agenda all the time. Not gonna happen in a million years unless we can get BLA to negotiate on those terms.

One thing I don't get, and I'd love the fellow Dfians to help me understand. Why are Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan not as sought after as Pakistan as supply routes by either us or the Americans?
Too much Russian influence? The terrible terrain? What is it that'd make the Americans pump millions in Porkiland but not the others?

I think India had an airbase somewhere in Uzbekistan... Don't remember though.

Another point, and I swear I'll sound like a dumb shit for asking this but *deep breath*

Couldn't we set up factories or manufacturing units for logistics right in their country by some sort of MoU rather than having to transport it all from India to there?

Forgive me for the stupid question but seriously, why is Afghanistan such a logistical nightmare?

Should India commit its armed forces in Afgh? My take: NO.
Reasons:1Historically, Afgh is big marsh for outsiders.2.Vulnerability to X border militancy ex Pak.3.Afgh being landlocked, lgst chain very tenuous.4.Our diplomacy to support a sensitive long term msn is suspect (IPKF?)

well!!! He concurred !

 

[Yash Patel]

India should send troops --- if Afghanistan fall again into paki lap it's over ---- expect another 1000 years of assault, more resource wastage on Kashmir --- if Afghanistan is subdued expect most of Indian external threat gone for ever ---- India should stick with training ANA & don't engage in anything else.

If we don’t deploy soldiers in Afghanistan then we shouldn’t complain that it is used as a training ground for terrorists to attack india!!!

 

[sorcerer]

If we don’t deploy soldiers in Afghanistan then we shouldn’t complain that it is used as a training ground for terrorists to attack india!!!

Well!! when India puts foot on the ground...india will be forced to play the good terrorist bad terrorist game..the shia sunni game..
can we afford it?
ps: Those of who think we can spray our bullets at every terrorist in afghanistan is seeing it through the UTOPIAN Lens

We will be dragged into taking sides to keep our troops safe!
can we afford it?
ps: Thats how the int and the counter int works in those regions...we will be forced to take sides

We may have to SCRUB the CCIT that we have tabled in UN to bring a strong stand against terrorism..
can we afford it?


Let UN sanction a peace keeping mission...let afghan govt call UN..and let India pull it strings in UN to get it done for afghan!

 

[tarunraju]

Cowardice branded as logic.

Then send Indian Army to Singapore or Japan then as they are accessible !!

1000 miles away US can sustain 20years long war in Afghan then why neighbor India cannot sustain few more years,as it is little more peaceful than a decade ago?

No, he's being perfectly reasonable.

India has a centuries-old military rivalry with Afghanistan that dates back to the Delhi Sultanate era. With "kafir" Indian boots on the ground, Taliban will be able to fill up its ranks far easier (citing that historic military rival presence on Allah's Afghanistan).

Also, India has no means of getting to Afghanistan, unless the US can somehow pry PoK out of paki hands and give it to us as downpayment for the Afghan mission.

Lastly, it costs the coalition forces upwards of $50 billion/year to sustain their presence in Afghanistan. Even if it cost us 1/4th that, it would be 20% of our mil budget (oops...vet pension budget).

 

[sorcerer]

Cowardice branded as logic.

Then send Indian Army to Singapore or Japan then as they are accessible !!

1000 miles away US can sustain 20years long war in Afghan then why neighbor India cannot sustain few more years,as it is little more peaceful than a decade ago?

well!! US can afford it economically, with their armada of ships and what not.
we are still getting our hands around the indian ocean to keep it away from chinese..
we should wait for another 5+ years and build assets before we can take the plunge.
!

Singapore and Japan doesnt have fanatics and radical terrorism.. this is a case where there is no cure unless its done in a different way..
but hey the fancy of IA fighting like a super hero for others cause and taking bullets for them is super awesome!
The disease in Afghan is different! and its a looooooong term treatment.

never fight a war if you cant see a definite end or know how to bring an affordable conclusion..
its the same with investing in business too..
but yeah..then there are some!

 

[sorcerer]

No, he's being perfectly reasonable.

India has a centuries-old military rivalry with Afghanistan that dates back to the Delhi Sultanate era. With "kafir" Indian boots on the ground, Taliban will be able to fill up its ranks far easier (citing that historic military rival presence on Allah's Afghanistan).

Also, India has no means of getting to Afghanistan, unless the US can somehow pry PoK out of paki hands and give it to us as downpayment for the Afghan mission.

Lastly, it costs the coalition forces upwards of $50 billion/year to sustain its presence in Afghanistan. Even if it cost us 1/4th that, it would be 20% of our mil budget (oops...vet pension budget).

Absolutely ! The cost is extraordinary that we cant balance our social economic reforms, infrastructure building and an unsustainable war on terror with good terrorist bad terrorist and throw in the oil mafia too..
Even USA says its "controlled chaos" well!! should we be another pawn in that "controlled chaos"
Flip the USA on it.

Let USA and other European nations stand with us while we take poK
then when we have a direct link with Afghan we can think about the security of Afghan..as we think about Bhutan or nepal etc etc.

 

[tarunraju]

When there is a will there is a way.

Show us the 'way' then.

• Pakistan won't allow Indian Army thoroughfare or IAF airspace access
• Iran won't allow Indian Army throroughfare for the simple reason that we're doing America's bidding in Afghanistan
• Any other logistics route is not viable even for the Americans.

How do you plan to sustain a mission without a supply route?

You're not able to take out loud-mouthed hippies in the heart of the national capital, and those brotherfuckers have managed to create a "liberated" zone (Shaheen Bagh) mere 15 km away from South Block, and you expect our forces to go kill the fucking Taliban in their homes?

 

[sorcerer]

SMALL ISLAND-UK with the help of few Indian soldiers OCCUPIED half of the world due to technical advance, strategy and most importantly BRAVERY.

Now Indians are AFRAID to send to control some goat fkg talibans then it shame on us.

Who said we are fighting their war? Divide Afghan,Divide Porkistan,Retake POK,Fund through mines and drugs?

When there is a will there is a way.

Small Island UK! that was then..
Look around you...the world has changed from colonisation to radical terrorism! UK no longer control the decision making machinery here..

Bravery yes...but MISPLACED BRAVERY is a BIG NO even for the brave..Thats how braveness works.
It has to be combined with logic than with pure adrenaline rush! This is called being sensible and responsible.

on top it ..a nation should be brave and not reckless..

Right now...being in Afghan is RECKLESS unless we have all our things worked out..
boots on ground for protection of Indian assets is good..but fighting war on terror aligning with US and NATO FORCES...big no!
USA cannot even save their troops from the terrorists despite having deep int and tech abilities.

But..
pakis will use our troops politically if we RUSH into it.

We are brave soldiers..and we know it...but doesnt make us dunces to walk into an ambush..
cuz we are sensible as well!

 

[sorcerer]

His last point is typical , IPKF was without preparation and shit intelligence , they just landed SF as some super soldiers ,
also you can't shit your pants by one failure ,
If that's the way then we might as well allow pakis to invade and call back our soldiers from borders because you know BABUR ,GHORI etc etc

Plus i don't remember but a few ex military guys actually want Indian presence in Afghanistan with boots on ground ,
so does falcon ,so does col dr Narendra on twitter.

So, its again similar to officers who doesn't want to cross LOC vs one's who want to cross LOC.

if you have deep int network..thats good...
Im saying..deep int network when it comes to terrorism and terror network..not the diplomatic kinda mild flavor nor political.

but still with all these we have seen US take casualties cuz of botched int..
its a place where even the right hand doesnt trust the left hand. India should have own capabilities to keep our soldiers safe..
else..even the soldiers will feel the heat of the situation in afghan..and will be counter productive to the whole exercise.

 

[tarunraju]

I don't understand why we are afraid to send troops there.

Logistics. Coalition has pakis providing logistics. They won't extend us that favor. Can't do foreign ops without supply routes.

 

[sorcerer]

The whole boots in Afghanistan should be done only if we have economic support from US/NATO ,as in name we would be fighting US war ,
Also INDIA will go in there as under US or UN umbrella we aren't going in individually.

Most important point it we should move in Afghanistan to destroy pakistan and not to fight insurgency, say we decide its TIME to end pak .......then a year before we send troops in Afghanistan ,it will also help in much needed LEARNING CURVE ,because it seems we are far behind western forces.

I believe we will come out with very important experience..............but if US pays up.

We cant take money from NATO.. Indian army is not slaves to be sold like mercenaries.
see..this is where it all goes south!! aint it?
pakshitstan made the same mistake of taking money!! do you want IA to repeat it?
the hell they want it too..the nato idiots ..and their fight on WoT without a definite end.

learning curve!! we are getting it through all our peace keeping missions in various geographies of which majorly goes unreported.
What learning curve!
the curve to be a mercenary force? the curve to fight some one elsee war cuz they feigned unable! how long can India spoon feed afghan..US has been doing it for a decade..what differnt thing is IA going to try with afghan which US hasnt tried?

Best thing is we have kept our borders safe despite afghan going to the dogs once(literally)
we should continue to do so..unless afghnis themselves commit fully with a full house..not a divided fkkking political house and throws all their weight behind afghan nation to kick talibs out.

we cant send our troops to keep one group of people in afghanistan safe who wants to kick talibs out cuz they dont have hench men.while the other group works against us..

get such things done politically..diplomatically.. its their fight.

 

[sorcerer]

I don't want us to sit in Afghanistan for long , i just want them to be there for just a couple or so years , and in the same timeline INDIA must come up with a plan to destroy Pak ,

After Pak is destroyed ,declare open season on talibs and they will be slaughtered.

The terror factory of pakistan for Afghan and pakistan is right in poK..take poK and sanitize it.. thats one way to reduce the radical elements launched into Afghan and India

See, even our CDS says...IA is prepared to bring an end to pakistan in an intense 10 day war and he continues to say..any war that is more than 10 days is a big NO when it comes to pakistan and its useless war.

meaning, we are well planned when it comes to taking decisions.

no matter how much we want our troops in afghan... there is always a plan