India-Pakistan LoC/IB Skirmishes in the Aftermath of August 5 2019

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MiG-29KUB fighter aircraft crashes soon after take off in Goa, pilots eject safely

A MiG-29KUB fighter aircraft crashed in Goa soon after it took off for a training mission, according to Indian Navy sources.

Asian News International
Panaji (Goa)
November 16, 2019
UPDATED: November 16, 2019 14:03 IST

Photo: Harish

A MiG-29KUB fighter aircraft crashed in Goa soon after it took off for a training mission, according to Indian Navy sources.

Both the pilots have managed to eject safely. The aircraft involved in the crash was a trainer version of the fighter jet.

Navy Spokesperson Commander Vivek Madhwal said, "The MiG-29KUB trainer aircraft suffered an engine fire. The pilots Captain M Sheokhand and Lt Commander Deepak Yadav ejected safely."

The Indian Navy also added, "Mig 29 trainer aircraft was flying from ashore (Goa). During recovery, there was a bird hit&fire on right engine was observed. Both pilots ejected and are safe. Aircraft crashed in open/ safe area. No casualties reported. Further details being ascertained."

Defence minister Rajnath Singh spoke to the pilots. He tweeted, "Capt Mrigank and Deepak Yadav of the MiG-29KUB which crashed after the take-off from Goa today. It is a matter of great satisfaction that they managed to eject in time and both of them are safe. I pray for their good health and well-being

WHY DOES THIS KIND OF SHIT HAPPENS ONLY IN OUR AIRFORCE OR AIRCRAFTS. IN OUR ARMED FORCES OUR AIRFORCE IS OUR WEAKEST LINK. WE ARE LOSING MORE AND MORE AIRCRAFT AND YOUNG PILOTS DURING NON-COMBAT AIR PATROLS THAN IN A WAR. THIS IS CRAZY. EITHER ITS BECAUSE OF THE PILOT TRAINING OR ITS AIRCRAFT ‘S FAULT. OUR LAZY ASS DOD DOESN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT TO STOP THIS NONSENSE. IF THIS CONTINUES WE MIGHT LOOKS LIKE A JOKE IN FRONT THE ENTIRE WORLD WITH AIRCRAFTS CRASHING EVERY OTHER DAY OR MONTH. DOD NEEDS TO BUY NEW AIRCAFT TO REPLACE THESE OLD ASS NAVAL AND LAND MIGS OR UPDATE OUR PILOT TRAINING.

Looks like the Indian navy has adopted the IAF's proud tradition of crashing aircraft.

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

Looks like the Indian navy has adopted the IAF's proud tradition of crashing aircraft.

Yep I Guess so Man. I wish the Government would fix this Shitty Issue real Fast.

 

[indiatester]

Mirage 2000 crashed due to some software issue. And frame life issues we keep updating obsolete equipment to make sure it runs nicely.

Possible reason No.1: Intense training

The IAF is one of the few air forces in the world that conduct intense, year-round training. Benjamin Lambeth of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace says the IAF trains for a "high intensity, high stakes" conflict. Keeping in mind the possibility of a two-front war, the IAF puts its pilots and aircraft through the wringer.

Mock air combat can involve hundreds of aircraft flying thousands of kilometres. During such a war game in 2013, Sukhois flew 1800-km bombing missions from Chabua in Assam to the western front, with mid-air refuelling. In fact, IAF pilots are known to lead missions over 10 hours in their Sukhois.

Such training places a great deal of stress on aircraft, pilots and air crews, which means potentially more accidents. But that’s the way the IAF trains for war. In fact, a former air force chief has gone on record that he would rather lose pilots during training than during war.

The strategy has been amply rewarded. In the 1971 War, for instance, the IAF was able to conduct a wide range of missions – troop support; air combat; deep penetration strikes; para-dropping behind enemy lines; feints to draw enemy fighters away from the actual target; bombing; and reconnaissance.

In contrast, the Pakistan Air Force, which was solely focused on air combat, was blown out of the subcontinent’s skies within the first week of the war. Those PAF aircraft that survived took refuge at Iranian air bases or in concrete bunkers, refusing to offer a fight.

Similarly, the PLAAF has nearly 2,000 planes, but only a fraction of the peace-time accident rate. According to Foreign Policy, this suggests Chinese pilots are not spending sufficient time in the air or training under pressure. “(Chinese) pilots are neither trusted nor properly trained. Drills are regimented, centrally controlled, and divorced from realistic combat conditions.” PLAAF fighter pilot would most likely be reprimanded if he deviated from the flight plan set by his commanders. Losing a plane would be cause enough for a court martial.

Thankfully, the IAF does not believe in having robots but values superior training and innovativeness. IAF pilots have truly internalised what Sergei Dolgushin, a Russian Air Force ace with 24 victories in WWII, said is a prerequisite to be a successful fighter pilot: “A love of hunting, a great desire to be the top dog”.

Possible reason No.2: Harsh environment

Harsh is normal in India. Tropical India is an unforgiving environment for any aircraft. The hot air means aircraft engines produce less thrust and the wing produce less lift compared to similar aircraft flying in European skies. Sun baked runways are also known to impact landing safety. These are factors IAF pilots have to live with.

Bird hits are another huge factor in aircraft accidents over India. The IAF attributes around 10 per cent of accidents to bird hits. Most IAF bases are located near populated areas, where birds are a constant menace.

The situation has got so dire that the IAF last year issued global bids to four companies for 45 bird detection and monitoring radar systems to be installed at airports and air bases across India

Russian engines are not great in hot climate their failure rate is quite high. Western engines are. Much better in this regard one of the biggest reason Why tejas never got crashed.

I understand the intense training and harsh environment, but they don't necessarily mean more accidents. Its just an excuse for improper maintenance and quality assurance. The forces need to pursue it rigorously.

 

[Anikastha]

again troops are going off topic....

 

[The Ultranationalist]

Looks like the Indian navy has adopted the IAF's proud tradition of crashing aircraft.

Bird hit crashed the aircraft.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Bird hit crashed the aircraft.

Yeah, I know. I was just venting.

 

[Deathstar]

Bird hit crashed the aircraft.

I feel bird hit is just a excuse to hide human errors imo. Can be maintenance crews fault , some faulty spare part.
Bird hit absolves everyone from accountability

 

[sorcerer]

Agni-II Nuclear Capable Missile Successfully Test Fired By India | EurAsian Times: Latest Asian, Middle-East, EurAsian, Indian News

https://eurasiantimes.com/agni-ii-nuclear-capable-nuclear-missile-tested-by-india/

Night trial of surface-to-surface Agni-2 missile conducted successfully
India on Saturday conducted successfully the first night trial of 'Agni-II', its versatile surface-to-surface medium range nuclear capable missile from Dr Abdul Kalam Island off Odisha coast, defence sources said.

The missile has a strike range of 2000 km, the sources said soon after it blasted off from a mobile launcher at the Launch Complex-4 of the Integrated Test Range (ITR), the sources said.


https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/agni-2-missile-night-trial-conducted-successfully-564266

 

[Assassin 2.0]

I understand the intense training and harsh environment, but they don't necessarily mean more accidents. Its just an excuse for improper maintenance and quality assurance. The forces need to pursue it rigorously.

Which other airforce is using 40-50 year old jets?

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

Bird hit crashed the aircraft.

Only in India does Birds Hit Military Aircraft no other Country has Problem with birds hitting there Fighter Jets other than India. We need to replace our Old Ass Jets Something new and Improve our maintenance Procedures because HAL sucks at doing it.

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

Which other airforce is using 40-50 year old jets?

Many Poor Countries in Africa and Middle East use Aircraft that is even older ours.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Many Poor Countries in Africa and Middle East use Aircraft that is even older ours.

Oh please do you keep a close on there crash issues? And no one beside india is having so many old Soviet era jets.

 

[Craigs]

Bird hit crashed the aircraft.

Glad to know the bird population in India is thriving so much. Don't see reports of bird hits from the neighborhood much.

 

[aghamarshana]

Yaar...I don't understand why people are posting Aircraft crash here.
Pls discuss it thoroughly on IAF thread. Its becoming so difficult to actually catch-up with the updates which are supposed to be in dis thread. pls don't mind.

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

Mirage 2000 crashed due to some software issue. And frame life issues we keep updating obsolete equipment to make sure it runs nicely.

Possible reason No.1: Intense training

The IAF is one of the few air forces in the world that conduct intense, year-round training. Benjamin Lambeth of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace says the IAF trains for a "high intensity, high stakes" conflict. Keeping in mind the possibility of a two-front war, the IAF puts its pilots and aircraft through the wringer.

Mock air combat can involve hundreds of aircraft flying thousands of kilometres. During such a war game in 2013, Sukhois flew 1800-km bombing missions from Chabua in Assam to the western front, with mid-air refuelling. In fact, IAF pilots are known to lead missions over 10 hours in their Sukhois.

Such training places a great deal of stress on aircraft, pilots and air crews, which means potentially more accidents. But that’s the way the IAF trains for war. In fact, a former air force chief has gone on record that he would rather lose pilots during training than during war.

The strategy has been amply rewarded. In the 1971 War, for instance, the IAF was able to conduct a wide range of missions – troop support; air combat; deep penetration strikes; para-dropping behind enemy lines; feints to draw enemy fighters away from the actual target; bombing; and reconnaissance.

In contrast, the Pakistan Air Force, which was solely focused on air combat, was blown out of the subcontinent’s skies within the first week of the war. Those PAF aircraft that survived took refuge at Iranian air bases or in concrete bunkers, refusing to offer a fight.

Similarly, the PLAAF has nearly 2,000 planes, but only a fraction of the peace-time accident rate. According to Foreign Policy, this suggests Chinese pilots are not spending sufficient time in the air or training under pressure. “(Chinese) pilots are neither trusted nor properly trained. Drills are regimented, centrally controlled, and divorced from realistic combat conditions.” PLAAF fighter pilot would most likely be reprimanded if he deviated from the flight plan set by his commanders. Losing a plane would be cause enough for a court martial.

Thankfully, the IAF does not believe in having robots but values superior training and innovativeness. IAF pilots have truly internalised what Sergei Dolgushin, a Russian Air Force ace with 24 victories in WWII, said is a prerequisite to be a successful fighter pilot: “A love of hunting, a great desire to be the top dog”.

Possible reason No.2: Harsh environment

Harsh is normal in India. Tropical India is an unforgiving environment for any aircraft. The hot air means aircraft engines produce less thrust and the wing produce less lift compared to similar aircraft flying in European skies. Sun baked runways are also known to impact landing safety. These are factors IAF pilots have to live with.

Bird hits are another huge factor in aircraft accidents over India. The IAF attributes around 10 per cent of accidents to bird hits. Most IAF bases are located near populated areas, where birds are a constant menace.

The situation has got so dire that the IAF last year issued global bids to four companies for 45 bird detection and monitoring radar systems to be installed at airports and air bases across India

Russian engines are not great in hot climate their failure rate is quite high. Western engines are. Much better in this regard one of the biggest reason Why tejas never got crashed.

I Am Sorry I Forgot to Respond to this Comment

 

[shaileshmd]

I feel bird hit is just a excuse to hide human errors imo. Can be maintenance crews fault , some faulty spare part.
Bird hit absolves everyone from accountability

Each and every takeoff and landing is a controlled crash.
A statement made by a civilian pilot with an extensive experience. Military aircraft are put under extreme stress due to thousand different reasons. Mig 29 aircraft are vulnerable to variety of performance issues. Without having proper inquiry, it is premature to judge the plots, the plane or the ground crew.

 

[Deathstar]

Each and every takeoff and landing is a controlled crash.
A statement made by a civilian pilot with an extensive experience. Military aircraft are put under extreme stress due to thousand different reasons. Mig 29 aircraft are vulnerable to variety of performance issues. Without having proper inquiry, it is premature to judge the plots, the plane or the ground crew.

Problem is nothing is done on that court of inquiry.

 

[12arya]

Rattled Pak pushes more artillery, SG commandos close to LoC months after Article 370 abrogation
With over 2,000 troops of Special Service Group (SSG) and special operations wing at the LoC, The Pakistani Army's numbers are more than that of the Indian Army's Special Forces deployed close to the Line of Control.

The Pakistan Army has been slowly enhancing its firepower by moving its artillery close the Line of Control (LoC). It has also marginally increased the number of troops deployed at the LoC months after the abrogation of provisions under Article 370 that gave a special status to Jammu and Kashmir (J&K), according to an analysis done by the Indian Army.

With over 2,000 troops of Special Service Group (SSG) and special operations wing at the LoC, The Pakistani Army's numbers are more than that of the Indian Army's Special Forces deployed close to the Line of Control.

"The analysis calls out bogey that Pakistan has been trying to create of Kashmir being turned into a military garrison with nine lakh Indian troops," sources said.

According to the analysis, Pakistan has a deployment of close to 90,000 troops close to the LoC.

"The difference is not much but don't forget that the Indian Army has to carry out counter-terrorists and counter-infiltration attempts from Pakistan also, which leads to numbers going up. It's not just dominating the LoC," an official said.

The total deployment of the Indian Army and the Central Armed Police Forces (CAPF) along the LoC and hinterland is up to 2,50,000 with additional forces deployed in mainland Kashmir since August 5 for public order and counter-terror operations.

The total deployment of CAPF personnel in the hinterland is 1,60,000 as of now, sources added.

In addition, there is the Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) police to carry out all the law and order duties along with the counter-terror operations in the mainland.

Sources said the numbers are much less than what is being claimed by Pakistan as part of their propaganda machinery and the deployment is well within the mutually agreed numbers by the two countries.

"The myth of nine lakh force deployment being peddled by Pakistan is nothing but propaganda."

Officials said the Pakistan Army till now felt Kashmir was a peace posting compared to their western borders where they fought bloody battles in Afghanistan-Pak region and also has been feeling the heat at the Iran border. Pak is now under pressure as the Indian forces have been hitting them hard every time there is an infiltration attempt aided by their Army, officials said.

Pakistan has been targeting civilian areas along the LoC across sectors and indulging in heavy artillery firing since the abrogation of Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir. The attempts to push in terrorists from launchpads metres away from LoC that are full of terrorists waiting to infiltrate have also increased.

 

[12arya]

India Apprises International Community Of Pakistan Army Increasing Troop Deployment Across LoC in J&K: Report
by IANS - Nov 11 2019, 1:47 pm,

An Indian Army soldier patrols on LOC in Chakan-da-Bagh area near Poonch, India. (Gurinder Osan/Hindustan Times via GettyImages)


India has apprised the international community about the Pakistan Army gradually increasing troop deployment and enhancing its firepower on the Line of Control (LoC) in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) since the abrogation of Article 370 on August 5, sources said on Monday (11 November).

The Indian Army had carried out a detailed analysis in this regard and shared a report with the government.

The report states that Pakistan has also placed artillery guns across the Line of Control to carry out continuous shelling on the Indian side, violating the ceasefire agreement. "The frequency of skirmishes has increased after the abrogation of Article 370 on August 5," sources said.

"Pakistan has started targeting civilian areas along the Line of Control indulging in heavy artillery firing. There have been increased attempts to push in terrorists from launch pads metres away from the LoC. The launch pads are full of terrorists waiting to infiltrate," the report stated.

According to the report, the Pakistan Army has deployed around 2,000 personnel from its special operations wing - Special Service Group (SSG) on the Line of Control. The country also has a deployment of close to 90,000 troops on the Line of Control against the 1,13,000 Indian Army personnel.

The report also exposes Pakistan's continuous propaganda that Kashmir has been turned into a military garrison with 9 lakh Indian troops.

According to the analysis, the total deployment of the Indian Army and the Central armed police forces in the Valley is around 2,31,000. "This includes the over one lakh additional forces deployed in mainland Kashmir since August 5 for public order and counter terror operations," said a source.

Contrary to Pakistan's claims of India having deployed 9 lakh personnel in Kashmir, the Valley has not more than 2,31,000 personnel, who also have to carry out counter terrorists and counter infiltration attempts from Pakistan, which leads to their numbers going up, said the report.

Now, Pakistan has pushed in more that 1.3 lakh troops near the Line of Control hardly differentiating it from India. But India's troop figures are still much less than what is being claimed by Pakistan as part of its propaganda and the deployment is well within the mutually agreed numbers by the two countries, it added.

The report stated that so far the Pakistan Army personnel always assumed that deployment across the Line of Control was a peace posting compared to their country's western borders, where they fought battles in Afghanistan.

"But things have changed and now Pakistan Army personnel do not consider peace posting with their Commanders issuing directions of continuous shelling and firing across Line of Control," source added.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

That's why we are not Muzzies, and also not ruled by a Hindu army. We are fu**ing secular.
Ab to main sochta hoon saale ye secular paida kaise hote hain? Inki amma Kahan or Kis se marwati hai?

There are some other categories between Hindus and Muxxies like Jews.