India-Pakistan LoC/IB Skirmishes in the Aftermath of August 5 2019

[ForigenSanghi]

Look at this. Complete destruction of the jihadi-democrat narrative by Sunanda Vashisht.



Had posted the below comment on 23-Oct after watching Aarti Tikoo's testimony.

Now just contrast Sunanda Vashisht's testimony to that of Aarti Tikoo's. Much more coherent, much more impactful but at the same time equally emotional. No surprise that an American citizen KP is able to put her experiences across much better than those from India.

The bias against Aarti Tikoo not withstanding. Her effort was very poor.

She does not seem to have oratory skills and neither a coherent thought process. I think Aditya Raj Kaul should have gone in her place or may be some American citizen KP.

At least someone in GoI should have provided her some coaching in the very least.

 

[ezsasa]

Look at this. Complete destruction of the jihadi-democrat narrative by Sunanda Vashisht.



Had posted the below comment on 23-Oct after watching Aarti Tikoo's testimony.

Now just contrast Sunanda Vashisht's testimony to that of Aarti Tikoo's. Much more coherent, much more impactful but at the same time equally emotional. No surprise that an American citizen KP is able to put her experiences across much better than those from India.

and jayapal ran away from the hearing, she did not even interact with sunanda vashist.

 

[hit&run]

If you do not create your own atrocity literature and culture of grievances like that Khalistani rag and others were doing you are only going to be on receiving end and reacting.

 

[hit&run]

What a powerful speech.

 

[Mikesingh]

Never heard about this Tom Lantos HR Commission. HR commissions seem to be the fashion nowadays.

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

Lamo so true.
Pakistan and it's fake pride but it would hit them real hard when they find out they are really a shityy product. Pakistan trying to find their history in Afghanistani and turkey lamo.

New trend on paki dumb forum now a days. They call themselves natives of IVC and harappa. These shameless Salwar kamiz don't have any glory of their own and pretend to be one group of people in one time and another centuries later or before trying to justify their shitty existence.

Only problem is if they have such rich history of conquest, literature and inventions then how come pakiland turned out to be a failed, beggar state full of terrorists? India too was plundered and invaded but we are rising back and that's what defines a civilization.

 

[Mikesingh]

What a powerful speech.

Hear this fukin Khalistani and American 'Kashmiri' tart spouting shit without any evidence. Their rants are beyond nonsensical. But the pseudo HR activists will lap it up so fast like there's no tomorrow and bash India with their false propaganda.

Sunanda Vashist has done a commendable job but the odds are squarely stacked against her seeing the amount of propaganda being spread by vested interests for the past 30 years especially the anti India forces egged on by the false narratives being spread by the ISI and other anti India outfits.

Here's the full video.......


Are we losing the perception war? We probably are, seeing that we do not have a well oiled counter propaganda machinery in place. It is beyond comprehension as to why we are giving short shrift to this very important aspect in geopolitics. In today's world it's perception that matters. We need to change our priorities soon or we will continue to be at the receiving end.

 

[ezsasa]

Hear this fukin Khalistani and American 'Kashmiri' tart spouting shit without any evidence. Their rants are beyond nonsensical. But the pseudo HR activists will lap it up so fast like there's no tomorrow and bash India with their false propaganda.

Sunanda Vashist has done a commendable job but the odds are squarely stacked against her seeing the amount of propaganda being spread by vested interests for the past 30 years especially the anti India forces egged on by the false narratives being spread by the ISI and other anti India outfits.

Here's the full video.......


Are we losing the perception war? We probably are, seeing that we do not have a well oiled counter propaganda machinery in place. It is beyond comprehension as to why we are giving short shrift to this very important aspect in geopolitics. In today's world it's perception that matters. We need to change our priorities soon or we will continue to be at the receiving end.

I hope somebody will be able to explain why indian govt does not take this approach of lobbying for non-economic non-defence related matters in US.

Obvious there will be a reason, based on something that happened in the past.

 

[ForigenSanghi]

Are we losing the perception war? We probably are, seeing that we do not have a well oiled counter propaganda machinery in place. It is beyond comprehension as to why we are giving short shrift to this very important aspect in geopolitics. In today's world it's perception that matters. We need to change our priorities soon or we will continue to be at the receiving end.

Porkis have been able to tap into the well established jihadi propaganda networks set up by Qatar (from al Jazeera and NYT to CAIR and UK labour party)

India (especially under BJP) does not have any such network in the USA. The only people who pretended to be friends of India during congress rule were the conversion mafia and Indian liberandus both of whom oppose BJP.

BJP is countering by channelling the people power of Indian diaspora. It seems to have shown surprisingly good results in the UK and surprisingly poor results in USA. I expected Indian-Americans to be more patriotic than Indian-brits, the opposite turned out to be the case.

I hope somebody will be able to explain why indian govt does not take this approach of lobbying for non-economic non-defence related matters in US.

Obvious there will be a reason, based on something that happened in the past.

I remember reading somewhere that India had hired the top PR firm in DC in early 90s just like the porkis did this year.

I guess now India is looking for an equal relationship with USA so it seems small to be paying PR firms for getting favours.

US does its PR in India by hiring an army of Indian-Americans in its think tanks. We should do the same.
Although it will be far more expensive than a simple PR firm but there are always costs to sit on the big boys table.

 

[12arya]

What a powerful speech.

Respect to her for telling her story while being surrounded by bigots and terror sponsors.

That being said, I feel we should stop wasting our energy and resources by responding on these useless "HR" panels! We r giving validity to such hoax panels by speaking in front of those arrogant American morons who have permanently closed their eyes to the truth.

If we want to change the perception then it should be done on a grand scale by the govt. As we develop as a nation, criticisms and attacks will mount. As a nation, we need to develop thicker skin. I honestly do not care what these people think about India or Indians.

 

[ezsasa]

Chinese government take part in these types of debates?

Nope, they buy out lobby firms in Washington who do their bidding.

For ex: before trump got elected, Chinese funded lobbying firms floated the idea in Washington that once China becomes more prosperous it will move towards democracy. Which as we know was a farce. China plays a bigger game.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Nope, they buy out lobby firms in Washington who do their bidding.

For ex: before trump got elected, Chinese funded lobbying firms floated the idea in Washington that once China becomes more prosperous it will move towards democracy. Which as we know was a farce. China plays a bigger game.

Chinese are working to defeat white man in white man game's only.
I like it.

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

Hear this fukin Khalistani and American 'Kashmiri' tart spouting shit without any evidence. Their rants are beyond nonsensical. But the pseudo HR activists will lap it up so fast like there's no tomorrow and bash India with their false propaganda.

Sunanda Vashist has done a commendable job but the odds are squarely stacked against her seeing the amount of propaganda being spread by vested interests for the past 30 years especially the anti India forces egged on by the false narratives being spread by the ISI and other anti India outfits.

Here's the full video.......


Are we losing the perception war? We probably are, seeing that we do not have a well oiled counter propaganda machinery in place. It is beyond comprehension as to why we are giving short shrift to this very important aspect in geopolitics. In today's world it's perception that matters. We need to change our priorities soon or we will continue to be at the receiving end.

Odds will be stacked against her and India because she is alone but did hit raw nerves to the point jihadis started booing her.

>She told in clear terms that Kashmir is part of Indian civilization/ bharatvarsh since 5000 years and it's not 70 year old dispute.
>Challenged anyone to prove India invaded JK
>Ethnic cleansing of minorities by design.

What pinch jihadi lobby most was she said mosques were used to intimidate Hindus into leaving, converting or dying and they wanted Hindu women without men.

No amount of libtard rant and jihadi propaganda can counter that. It's a start but brilliant.

 

[ezsasa]

Odds will be stacked against her and India because she is alone but did hit raw nerves to the point jihadis started booing her.

>She told in clear terms that Kashmir is part of Indian civilization/ bharatvarsh since 5000 years and it's not 70 year old dispute.
>Challenged anyone to prove India invaded JK
>Ethnic cleansing of minorities by design.

What pinch jihadi lobby most was she said mosques were used to intimidate Hindus into leaving, converting or dying and they wanted Hindu women without men.

No amount of libtard rant and jihadi propaganda can counter that. It's a start but brilliant.

While watching the proceedings, a thought came to my mind..

Is it possible that there will always be less support for Kashmiri hindus in the US because they are the original natives?

US siding with original natives of kashmir goes against the principle of existence of US itself. No matter how “liberal” you are, nobody is so magnanimous to go against your own existence.

 

[hit&run]

[/QUOTE]

Respect to her for telling her story while being surrounded by bigots and terror sponsors.

That being said, I feel we should stop wasting our energy and resources by responding on these useless "HR" panels! We r giving validity to such hoax panels by speaking in front of those arrogant American morons who have permanently closed their eyes to the truth.

If we want to change the perception then it should be done on a grand scale by the govt. As we develop as a nation, criticisms and attacks will mount. As a nation, we need to develop thicker skin. I honestly do not care what these people think about India or Indians.

I humbly disagree.

We have to give our time to hold on to our narrative. Otherwise, we will keep fleeing and they will keep encroaching.

 

[ezsasa]

Respect to her for telling her story while being surrounded by bigots and terror sponsors.

That being said, I feel we should stop wasting our energy and resources by responding on these useless "HR" panels! We r giving validity to such hoax panels by speaking in front of those arrogant American morons who have permanently closed their eyes to the truth.

If we want to change the perception then it should be done on a grand scale by the govt. As we develop as a nation, criticisms and attacks will mount. As a nation, we need to develop thicker skin. I honestly do not care what these people think about India or Indians.

Disagree, world does not work that way.

Let’s say a person(pak) intends to occupy your house illegally. if he is not able to occupy by force, next best thing is to turn the village against you. If you take moral high ground and do nothing about it, if not tomorrow then day after tomorrow the person will gather enough friends in the village to support him in his illegal act. In that case truth and moral high ground becomes irrelevant. Human brain is designed to side with people who cry the most, it’s the fundamental underlying principle of atrocity literature.

Basically narrative has to be countered at every step.

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

Chinese are working to defeat white man in white man game's only.
I like it.

Unlike Indians who cares what white think about them Chinese don’t give a fuck what West thinks about it in the grand scheme of things. China is powerful and Chinese have Money these are two things that matter. Chinese have natural hatred of west. It’s a combination of Chinese Communism and Chinese Nationalism.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Unlike Indians who cares what white think about them Chinese don’t give a fuck what West thinks about it in the grand scheme of things. China is powerful and Chinese have Money these are two things that matter. Chinese have natural hatred of west. It’s a combination of Chinese Communism and Chinese Nationalism.

Because China literally bans West inside China when it desire , it controls the mind of their citizens it is the most systematic autocracy right now. India is not nor we have economic and military might to do so.

China spends a lot on pr too by curbing anti chinese articles/media which India doesn't . They own Hollywood that's why Hollywood has stopped showing them negative either.

Let's not compare apple and oranges

We literally lack the art of building worldwide narrative it is same what Hindus lack despite being the biggest victim of Islamic crimes we are termed intolerant ( which is good if were but we are fuckin not)

Inside and outside both Hindu narrative never get voice the reasons are many . One of them is Indian Govt of past were afraid to accept India's Hindu identity the termed secular never let Hindus inside and outside take a stand either.

Hindus need to start building the narrative if we can't fucking do that inside India with 75% Hindus forget doing that anywhere else.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Disagree, world does not work that way.

Let’s say a person(pak) intends to occupy your house illegally. if he is not able to occupy by force, next best thing is to turn the village against you. If you take moral high ground and do nothing about it, if not tomorrow then day after tomorrow the person will gather enough friends in the village to support him in his illegal act. In that case truth and moral high ground becomes irrelevant. Human brain is designed to side with people who cry the most, it’s the fundamental underlying principle of atrocity literature.

Basically narrative has to be countered at every step.

Agreed cyber warfare through information and technology using SM tools is key for next gen war.

I see it as a failure of Hindu narrative which we see inside India too. Where a dalit being attacked by Junaid and his criminal gang when fight back in self defence is termed as Intolerant Hindu and a 11 year old Geeta hindu girl raped by muslim Mullah is called Geeta bhabhi by mullahs who justify rape of Hindu girls.

and media goes for witch hunting against Hindus trying to protect themselves.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Unlike Indians who cares what white think about them

I don't think average india cares much about white man opinion even if they does after years of blood shed in kashmir no one have sympathy for them.
And some individuals don't like the US at all because of 1971 issue and sometimes because of napaki F-16 sales. Indian's in general have not much of support for foreign powers. Their is some kind of historic + negative mindset embedded deep into rural public.
It's only socialist nibbas who think they can target sanghis on the basis of what American or British or EU says. Or foreign Indian origin people who think certain things done by indian government can decrease their reputation.
Nowadays public support crushing Pakistan.